So long as the Devers shoe doesn't drop, this is a classic Dom move - trade the potentially awesome (and possibly worthless) prospect for the very good guy who's already in the majors. As others have noted, this is also about more than 2016.
It's not a half season. Pomeranz is not a free agent until 2019.Fair enough, as I only looked at his MLB Bref page. Even with this correction he's still at his highest point since 2011, including MiLB stats mixed in, which maybe isn't anything to be concerned about, but I just don't see a half-season of Pomeranz magic worth Espinoza. Then again, prospect-lust rose colored glasses may be firmly in place with this assessment.
In 2022 maybe.On the plus side, the 4th and 5th starters have been horrible and this increases the chances this year a lot. And the FA market this offseason sucks and now we don't need to sign anyone. Which means we should keep our first round pick next year. And Pomeranz is hopefully good enough that they could potentially get compensation if he eventually leaves as a FA. Also, 18 year old pitchers who throw as hard as Espinoza are risky.
On the down side, Espinoza has Cy Young potential.
“@JMastrodonato: Easy to say Pomeranz’s 2.47 ERA is thanks to Petco Park & NL, but ERA+ of 161 ranks 7th in MLB, between Cueto & Fernandez/Syndergaard.”Pomeranz is 7th in mlb in ERA+. Not exactly a product of his division.
Yeah, this is a really important point. He seems like a great guy to get, maybe the best available this year.Keep in mind that this team needs starters beyond this year, and the free agency market is horrible this upcoming year.
This isn't just a 2016 move.
I thought it was all a convenient cover story whil DD worked the trades. Let's see if he actually makes the start tomorrow as scheduled.Maybe that's why Edro gets the first start tomorrow, so they have the most possible time to gauge his progress before the deadline.
Count me inI guess I'm in the minority in that I like this deal if it is only Espinoza.
Or, more accurately, zero timesHow do you get pantsed by AJ Preller twice in one year.
I like it too. He should help us out for a while, which was most certainly needed.I guess I'm in the minority in that I like this deal if it is only Espinoza.
To be fair, his first half was all-star calibre, while the Sox 4/5 starters were...really, really, really not. So yeah, 'anything like' will be an improvement, and 'consistent with' would give the Sox a strong-enough-for-playoffs 1-4Also, no good FA SP this offseason, but a whole bunch in 2018.
This puts us in a much, much better position for the '17 season if Pomeranz can maintain anything like the level he's shown in the first half.
Right, and in addition to that, it wasn't clear where any improvement to the back of the rotation was going to come from in the off-season.To be fair, his first half was all-star calibre, while the Sox 4/5 starters were...really, really, really not. So yeah, 'anything like' will be an improvement, and 'consistent with' would give the Sox a strong-enough-for-playoffs 1-4
Straight up it is.This seems like a perfectly reasonable deal if it's close to straight up.
Yep, that too. Counting on the pu-pu platter of Clay, Kelly, Owens et al falls into the "fool me once/fool me twice" categoryRight, and in addition to that, it wasn't clear where any improvement to the back of the rotation was going to come from in the off-season.
My head stopped spinning and I am actually digging this deal. I doubt DD and company have given up on Erod. So our rotation for next year is going to be Price, Wright, Porcello, Pom, and Erod. The six and seven spots will still be covered by Owens and BJ. All that is left is debating whether or not the Sox should sign EE/JB and signing a few relievers. Then following next year DD goes hard after Fernandez or Harvey. Even if Espinoza fulfills his potential, he is still three or four years away. This move helps to solidify the team this year and into the future.
Absolutely. DD is not afraid to look dumb way down the road, I think he's been on both sides of this kind of deal.So long as the Devers shoe doesn't drop, this is a classic Dom move - trade the potentially awesome (and possibly worthless) prospect for the very good guy who's already in the majors. As others have noted, this is also about more than 2016.
I don't like the move. Would have rather Devers but whatever. I can't see this guy being a top of the line starter.I was afraid Benintendi+ was going to be the return when I saw the headline.
JUST Espinoza? I can live with that. 2.5 cost-controlled years of a decent pitcher could have cost a lot more on this market. Some people think Espinoza is a slam dunk, but I imagine DD must have thought there was some risk to make the move.
Don't go over to Soxprospects. The mood is like the end of Old Yeller.
They already have a fire DD thread. Sosh only has ten fire John Farrel threads. If SOSH doesn't watch out there will be a new big dog in the Sox message board community.Don't go over to Soxprospects. The mood is like the end of Old Yeller.
I was thinking of the handwringing that happened when 18 year old Engel Beltre was shipped to Texas for Gagne. Ye of 40 career MLB at bats.Hasn't hurt this much since the Sox gave up Carl Pavano and Armas Jr......
Of course he's not a top of the line starter. You're not going to get a top of the line starter for a teenager whose ceiling is top of the line starter and who won't get there for at least another 3-4 years if he ever gets there. When you trade prospects for established, cost controlled major leaguers, the guy you get is going to be less valuable than the upside of the guy you give. If that's not true then your trading partner is incompetent.I don't like the move. Would have rather Devers but whatever. I can't see this guy being a top of the line starter.
Who said Pom is even going to be a #2? If he can be a low-end #3, that's great with this offense.I don't like the move. Would have rather Devers but whatever. I can't see this guy being a top of the line starter.
This is is what I don't get as well. Espinoza should be part of a package that brings back more than Pomeranz.If you're giving up a prospect of Anderson Espinoza's caliber you're doing it for someone better than Drew Pomeranz. Not happy about this at all.
I'm missing the Cy Young award winner they got in this deal.Hasn't hurt this much since the Sox gave up Carl Pavano and Armas Jr.
(but I kid......)