This year? No. He skipped a start, but he did not go on the DL.Didn't they already put Price on the 10-day earlier this year?
Yes this is well beyond the idea of them manipulating the 10 day DL for rest purposes. Concern is warranted.Sale finally played catch the past 2 days, but still hasn't even thrown off a mound yet.
If this was just the team giving him extra rest, or being overly cautious, it sure seems like he would be pitching off a mound, and maybe even be getting ready for a rehab start, but that ain't happening.
He's eligible to come off the DL, but he won't.
NBC Sports Boston says "Barring no setbacks, it'll likely take about two weeks for Sale to be ready to pitch in games." (Pretty sure they mean "barring setbacks.")
Two weeks from now is September 12. Hopefully he doesn't have any setbacks, and hopefully he'll be able to pitch 6 or so innings at that point. But any setbacks at any point would be real bad news.
But his left arm feels like Paul Bunyon's ox. Take your time, don't rush, the cavalry (Edro) is on his waySale finally played catch the past 2 days, but still hasn't even thrown off a mound yet.
If this was just the team giving him extra rest, or being overly cautious, it sure seems like he would be pitching off a mound, and maybe even be getting ready for a rehab start, but that ain't happening.
He's eligible to come off the DL, but he won't.
NBC Sports Boston says "Barring no setbacks, it'll likely take about two weeks for Sale to be ready to pitch in games." (Pretty sure they mean "barring setbacks.")
Two weeks from now is September 12. Hopefully he doesn't have any setbacks, and hopefully he'll be able to pitch 6 or so innings at that point. But any setbacks at any point would be real bad news.
Concern is warranted because any time a pitcher has any type of shoulder issue there should be concern, but he came off the DL against the Orioles throwing 100 mph and striking out 12. Wouldn't there be some sign of poor command or decreased velocity as a sign of further injury? To me, it sounds like there is the general soreness that any pitcher has this time of year but on an increased level. Maybe he's pitched through this every season but with the cushion they had at the time the Sox took the more conservative approach.Yes this is well beyond the idea of them manipulating the 10 day DL for rest purposes. Concern is warranted.
Hopefully EdRo works out better than the French Cavalry did in WW1(which appears to be what those guys are dressed as).But his left arm feels like Paul Bunyon's ox. Take your time, don't rush, the cavalry (Edro) is on his way
Oh hell, I just settled on a cavalry type picture that would copy/paste. Actually, the French overall did pretty well in WWII, didn’t they?Hopefully EdRo works out better than the French Cavalry did in WW1(which appears to be what those guys are dressed as).
French did great in WWI(not so much II) but cavalry was seriously outdated by then and got mowed down by machine guns.Oh hell, I just settled on a cavalry type picture that would copy/paste. Actually, the French overall did pretty well in WWII, didn’t they?
Oh shit, I meant to say they did well in WWI. In II, they got their helmets handed to them in a month plus.French did great in WWI(not so much II) but cavalry was seriously outdated by then and got mowed down by machine guns.
Sorry for the derail.
My grandfather was a cowboy and hated the coming of the motorized age. In May of 1940 he sold 20 horses to the French army who paid cash. The next day the French surrendered. He went back to the train station and the French agent (an old WW1 cavalry guy) was selling horses back to the ranchers for 10% of the price.Oh shit, I meant to say they did well in WWI. In II, they got their helmets handed to them in a month plus.
That would be great, and it would also be nice to hear a target date for him to be throwing from a mound.Pete AbrahamVerified account @PeteAbe 41m41 minutes ago
Alex Cora said the plan is for Chris Sale to make at least two MLB starts before the playoffs.
One good thing the Sox have done about injuries is to mostly stop giving target dates publicly.That would be great, and it would also be nice to hear a target date for him to be throwing from a mound.
Because setting dates creates expectations that, if not met, bring only criticism. The medical staff and/or the player get a heap of questions because they under/over estimated something that really isn't an exact science.Because sharing information with the fan base is a bad thing?
Judge's current injury "timeline" is a perfect example.Because setting dates creates expectations that, if not met, bring only criticism. The medical staff and/or the player get a heap of questions because they under/over estimated something that really isn't an exact science.
If they want Sale to get at least two starts, we can assume that the last one wouldn't be any later than Game 160 (9/28) to allow for full, if not a little extra rest to start Game 1 of the ALDS. Working backwards, that puts the preceding start on 9/22 or 9/23. Let's be optimistic and think he gets three starts, so that's 9/16. Figure to prep for that, he'll probably throw a simulated game or live BP. Put that on 9/11-9/12. 2-3 bullpen sessions before that, say 9/5, 9/7, 9/9 or something along those lines. Soooo, he's probably getting on a mound at some point in the next few days. But based on how they've operated so far, they're only looking as far ahead as the next time he throws whether it's flat ground or on a mound. Which is the best way to do it.
Well, you’ve now questioned both of the two sides of the issue with a rhetorical question. That does not strike me as constructive, so what is it you are looking for?An example of what exactly? Are people in NY blaming the management or medical staff for misleading them? Everyone knows it’s an inexact science and that the estimates are just that, estimates. Why put out any info at all if there’s a chance that it may not go to plan?
In short, yes. In a recent presser, Boone addressed the fact that the doc was overly optimistic with the timeline. I would not say everyone knows it's an inexact science. I would say most people who have a clue understand that, but that doesn't capture either the casual mfy fan who sees it scrolling on the bottom of ESPN or the NY tabloid media. They also just traded for McCutchen in part due to Judge's injury. If he had come back in the originally-expected 3 weeks, I don't think that trade takes place.An example of what exactly? Are people in NY blaming the management or medical staff for misleading them? Everyone knows it’s an inexact science and that the estimates are just that, estimates. Why put out any info at all if there’s a chance that it may not go to plan?
The fact that he's now thrown five days in a row, and by all reports he was not holding back even on flat ground, and felt good enough to get on a mound today is pretty damn encouraging. Yes, how he responds after throwing is important, but so far, so good.Him throwing means little. It’s how his shoulder responds that will be our cue to either exhale or run around in terror.
All this is true.The fact that he's now thrown five days in a row, and by all reports he was not holding back even on flat ground, and felt good enough to get on a mound today is pretty damn encouraging. Yes, how he responds after throwing is important, but so far, so good.
Not that I know of, but I would think some writers would have a hard time voting for him if he didn't pitch enough innings to qualify.Do you need qualifying for Cy Young?
Relievers have won it, so of course not.Do you need qualifying for Cy Young?
Kershaw should have in 2016.Relievers have won it, so of course not.
But more practically, it seems very unlikely a starter could win it without meeting the qualifying innings threshold.
I agree wholeheartedly. But he didn't, and that makes me think the voters will screw over Sale if he comes in under 162 innings, too.Kershaw should have in 2016.
I know the Sox have a big lead but honestly, if they hold the Yankees off without Sale or Price.... that's a huge accomplishment.All this is true.
But if we went back to when he hit the DL again and said we’d be feeling really good if he threw off flat ground 5 days in a row and was looking forward to a bullpen — the reaction would have been, WTF?!
The team has finessed this really well. They don’t owe us candor, and it’s smart not to be forthcoming, but don’t fall for the okie-doke.
Relatedly, I don’t expect to see Price for 2 weeks.
If the Allies had won WWII without the US it would have been a huge accomplishment too, but I don’t like the odds for either.I know the Sox have a big lead but honestly, if they hold the Yankees off without Sale or Price.... that's a huge accomplishment.
The Sox are on a 108.6 win pace in games started by people other than Sale or Price.If the Allies had won WWII without the US it would have been a huge accomplishment too, but I don’t like the odds for either.
Remarkable stat.The Sox are on a 108.6 win pace in games started by people other than Sale or Price.
Don't wanna start a historical debate but the Russians would like a word.If the Allies had won WWII without the US it would have been a huge accomplishment too, but I don’t like the odds for either.
I know, they were kick-ass, but the Allies needed everyone.Don't wanna start a historical debate but the Russians would like a word.
True. Amazingly, in a season where 10 different pitchers have made starts (so far) there isn't a single one in which the Sox are more than 1 game under .500 in those starts.The Sox are on a 108.6 win pace in games started by people other than Sale or Price.
Rodriguez 17-3 .850 +14
Price 20-6 .769 +14
Porcello 18-10 .643 +8
Sale 15-8 .652 +7
Johnson 9-2 .818 +7
Velazquez 4-2 .667 +2
Wright 3-1 .750 +2
Pomeranz 5-6 .455 -1
Eovaldi 3-4 .429 -1
Beeks 0-1 .000 -1
Or, if they threw Wynken, Blynken and Nod at us we could get closer to clinching the East. I especially wouldn't mind Sale in his first game back having as few stress pitches as possible.It would be pretty sweet (if the Astros decide against using the off-day Thursday to give their front-enders an extra day's rest) to see Sale, Price and Rodriguez (in some order) lined up against Cole, Keuchel and Verlander this weekend.
Cora said Sale wanted him to call him an Opener for 1 or 2 starts as a joke. I am assuming it will be more like the pitch count he had last time against Baltimore.an opener? geez