SMU_Sox said:Just an fyi tashaun gibson and kyke d clemons are our starting safeties. Cyrpien is riding the pine.
Edit... I greatly appreciate you doing this.
Thanks for doing these.SeoulSoxFan said:And now onto defenses. First up are the defensive tackles:
[tablegrid= DT Ratings ]Team DE1 PFF DE2 PFF DT/NT1 PFF DT/NT2 PFF TOTAL Austin Browns (KFP) Charles Johnson 5.5 Carlos Dunlap 4.3 Kyle Williams -5.0 Glenn Dorsey 9.2 14.0 Bengal Bay Bengals (SF121) Corey Liuget 0.0 Cameron Jordan 18.1 Athyba Rubin 2.5 Armond Armstead* -11.7 8.9 Seoul Steelers (SSF) Derek Wolfe -9.3 Alex Carrington -3.0 Akiem Hicks -2.5 Roy Miller -8.8 -23.6 [/tablegrid] Cleveland Ravens (SN) Quinton Coples -9.2 Richard Seymour* -8.9 Haloti Ngata 4.1 Jesse Williams* -11.7 -25.7
The surprise here has to be the low rating that Coples has, but that may be due to his transition into a LB role rather than as a DT. Semi-retirement of Seymour also hurts here.
SeoulSoxFan said:And the uglies upfront:
[tablegrid= OL Ratings ]Team LT PFF LG PFF C PFF RG RT TOTAL Austin Browns (KFP) Michael Roos 7.2 Chad Rinehart -2.3 Gino Gradkowski -13.6 Jon Asamoah 6.6 Cordy Glenn 12.0 9.9 Cleveland Ravens (SN) Anthony Castonzo 8.8 Korey Lichtensteiger 9.7 Peter Konz -10.8 Alex Boone -1.1 Anthony Davis 1.3 7.9 Seoul Steelers (SSF) Tyron Smith 5.7 Amini Silatolu 4.3 Ted Larsen -9.1 Jordan Mills -18.5 Kelechi Osemele -4.9 -22.5 [/tablegrid] Bengal Bay Bengals (SF121) Mike Adams -9.0 Mike Iupati -1.7 Nick McDonald* -13.6 Brandon Moore* -16.9 Phil Loadholt 4.7 -36.5
Another case of grade penalties doing a number on the final ratings, with SF121's former Pat Nick McDonald and the sudden retired Brandon Moore not playing a snap for the Bengals.
Our Steelers suffer from the absolutely horrid play of Jordan Mills, although in RL he's playing right tackle rather than the RG I've plugged him into.
SN is flexing his muscle again with a solid bookend tackles Glenn and Roos, and wins the group. BTW, is this the worst group of centers in all of RF draft league?
Jason Avant (-1.6) for Crabtree (-7) would push my O almost into the black.SeoulSoxFan said:And the updated ratings combining offense, defense, and 10% of ST ratings:
[tablegrid= Updated Total Ratings ]Team Offense Defense ST Total PBS PBL Austin Browns (KFP) 1.8 33.3 2.4 37.5 - - Bengal Bay Bengals (SF121) -0.4 9.5 1.2 10.3 -27.2 -27.2 Seoul Steelers (SSF) 3.8 -8.4 2.0 -2.6 -12.9 -40.1 [/tablegrid] Cleveland Ravens (SN) -5.9 -10.7 2.0 -14.6 -12.0 -52.1
Heh -- same standings as before, although the gaps between teams have narrowed. To track that, I've added two more columns:
It's clear -- KFP & SMU's Browns are the class of the division so far.
- PBS: Points Behind Standing - gap between you and the team right above
- PBL: Points Behind Leader - gap between you and the leading team
You make a fair point on the D end, but there's little doubt that a straight sum of PFF rankings overrates your offense. There's just no way your OL would make up for who you have throwing the ball back there.SMU_Sox said:I got to thinking about PFF rankings and how relevant they are for our squads. Here's a potential monkey wrench for ratings... Our safeties and corners would all see a huge boost playing behind our pass rush. That's why PFF falls a bit short imo for our defense. When you have Charles Johnson, Carlos Dunlap, Kyle D Williams and even Glenn Dorsey blowing up the pocket and our guys playing an aggressive man scheme you're best option is to test Arthur Brown and Patrick Willis in coverage. Good luck with that. Our front 4 makes our defense.
I suppose the same would be true for our RB's though. We'd be facing 8 in the box forcing our shitastic QB to throw to someone. Luckily we have a good O-Line. I'd expect both Moreno and Murray to have lower numbers for us if this were real life. Our WR's are probably right given who their QB's are and how they are used.
phragle said:What does the total look like if you multiply the QB rating by 20?
I ask because I find this all quite useless unless there is a heavy positional value multiplier for the QB.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:Good thing nobody cares what you think.
20 is obviously an exaggeration, but I wonder what the "real" multiplier should be. Gut instinct says 3 or 4.phragle said:What does the total look like if you multiply the QB rating by 20?
I ask because I find this all quite useless unless there is a heavy positional value multiplier for the QB.
LOLKenny F'ing Powers said:No mention of Fitzpatrick?
PFF doesn't like him; he just hasn't had enough opportunities to be awful this year. In 147 snaps, Fitzpatrick's put up a -4.9. Pro-rate that to the 450 or so snaps a starting QB has, and Fitz has like a -15, which would be worst in the league by a significant margin. Last year, he was -18.6, 35th in the league. He sucks.Kenny F'ing Powers said:Yuck it up. PFF likes him better than a few QBs taken pretty early in our draft...
I wonder what QBs are on that list...
Kenny F'ing Powers said:Yuck it up. PFF likes him better than a few QBs taken pretty early in our draft...
Kenny F'ing Powers said:No mention of Fitzpatrick?
Super Nomario said:20 is obviously an exaggeration, but I wonder what the "real" multiplier should be. Gut instinct says 3 or 4.
At 20 though, you're basically saying the QB is as important as the rest of the offense and the entire defense combined (since there are 21 other starters). That seems way too high.phragle said:
20 is not an exaggeration. A QB is everything to an offense. It's why Brandon Weeden was a first round pick, a one armed Manning got 96 million, Carson Palmer was traded for - twice, and Flacco wipes his tears with 121 separate 1 dollar bills.
My point is that PFF doesn't "like him" as you said; on a rate basis, they rate him as awful.Kenny F'ing Powers said:Meh, lets have some perspective. He had a -4.9 against the best defense in the league (Seattle) and broke even (0.0) in his other two starts. I think extrapolating his worst game into a full season of work is disingenuous at best.
I guess 52% completion and a 2/4 TD / INT ratio isn't that bad compared to Tyler Wilson and Blaine Gabbert.Kenny F'ing Powers said:And, by the way, he also has faced what could be 3 of the top 5 defenses in the NFL with Seattle, KC, and the NYJ. He really hasn't been that vad this year.
Super Nomario said:At 20 though, you're basically saying the QB is as important as the rest of the offense and the entire defense combined (since there are 21 other starters). That seems way too high.
When you say "2" for O-line and D-line, do you mean 2 individually or collectively? What about 1 for rest of?phragle said:
It's at least as important as the rest of the offense. So at least 10.
I think something like this would be ideal
QB: 10-15
O line and D line: 2
The rest of the offense and defense: 1
Kicker and punter: 0.2
Super Nomario said:When you say "2" for O-line and D-line, do you mean 2 individually or collectively? What about 1 for rest of?
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:They've finally unleashed the Foles! The AFC East is mine.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:Second week for Foles and another great performance. Dare I say I have the best QB in the AFC EAST?
soxfan121 said:
How's that workin out for ya, smokescreen?
I disagree with your weightings, but just to be clear, you're not really saying a QB is 10 times the value of a typical player if you're saying half the other offensive starters are twice the value of a typical player and the rest are the value of a typical player. You have a total of 25 weight on offense and 15 weight on defense, so a QB ends up being about 5-7 times that of a typical other starter.phragle said:
You'd multiply each (e.g) guard's score by 2, each (e.g) CB's by 1. Or 0, same difference.
The multiplier for the O and D linemen is because they have a big effect on both the run and the pass, unlike say a CB or WR.
Super Nomario said:I disagree with your weightings, but just to be clear, you're not really saying a QB is 10 times the value of a typical player if you're saying half the other offensive starters are twice the value of a typical player and the rest are the value of a typical player. You have a total of 25 weight on offense and 15 weight on defense, so a QB ends up being about 5-7 times that of a typical other starter.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
Well, if we're taking DVOA into account, even though Foles played a couple games he ranks 6th. Where's Brady?
SMU_Sox said:In this case I agree with you 121, but let's not forget that FO uses those SSS stats as a "hey this guy might be really good - try playing him more". And in a lot of cases they find gems. Miles Austin was one of those guys. Now in this case I think Foles has potential but is a long way off (and he's out now anyway).
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
It haunts your dreams. Doesn't it.
MarcSullivaFan said:With Waters going down, my Oline (Colts) is now down to Brian Schwenke and Marcus Gilbert.
soxfan121 said:
It does not. It tickles my funny bone. (and if this were RMPS, here's where there'd be a joke about your mom, but since this BBTL and we're classier than that, I'll just leave it here)
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
Tickles your funny bone? Then an attempted mom joke? Weak. Real weak. You should have phragle write your jokes.