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Phragle

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That's ok. Spelling his name wrong is both racist and not my fault. I'll take a first round pick as compensation for the league's mistake.
 
We'll take Devin Taylor and a first round comp pick.
 

 
He's young, big, athletic, and was very good when he played.
 

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phragle said:
That's ok. Spelling his name wrong is both racist and not my fault. I'll take a first round pick as compensation for the league's mistake.
 
We'll take Devin Taylor and a first round comp pick.
That would give you guys picks 1, 33 and 34 in next year's draft. Could actually do some things with that kind of haul.
 

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phragle said:
That's ok. Spelling his name wrong is both racist and not my fault. I'll take a first round pick as compensation for the league's mistake.
This was probably my mistake, but I'm not racist. I mean, I watch a lot of interracial porn.

Who's up, Red October? Did anyone PM him?
 

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Super Nomario said:
This was probably my mistake, but I'm not racist. I mean, I watch a lot of interracial porn.
This absolutely made my day - hilarious!
 

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So who the hell is on the clock? Red? 
 
Did wibi send him a PM? If he did, he time is up at 10am tomorrow (I think). If not, well, then, I don't know what to do. 
 
By the way guys, it helps if you NOTE IF YOU PM'D THE NEXT GUY IN LINE WHEN YOU POST YOUR PICK. 
 
Edit: Sent RO a PM
 

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
The MMS Bucs select Tre Mason
 
SPDougie said:
Jack Mewhort, OL
 
Saturnian said:
The Saints select WR Donte Moncrief
 
soxfan121 said:
Alan Ball, CB (Jacksonville)
 
SMU_Sox said:
Allan Robinson .
 
SeoulSoxFan said:
OG David Yankey
 
RedOctober3829 said:
The Jets take S Brock Vereen. Will PM next in line.
I HOPE YOU ALL CHOKE ON BOWLS OF DICKS.

Pick coming within the hour, if there's anybody fucking left on my draft board.
 

RhaegarTharen

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With the upper half of my draft board decimated, I'm going to take a small gamble here and try and complete my offensive line by drafting local boy Mackenzy Bernadeau, OG.



Known for his work ethic and attitude, Mack filled in for Dallas at RG when Brian Winters went down with an injury, and did just fine according to PFF. We'll be plugging him into the gaping hole at LG left when Jeff Allen was poached (not that it wasn't a black hole with Allen there anyways). Mack has the versatility to play anywhere on the interior of the line, and we're hoping he can hold up on our newly revamped left side next to Matthews. He might not have the upside of some of the rookies left, but you can't deny that he's proven his ability to play at this level after being drafted at the end of the 7th round out of a small D2 school.

Plus, and maybe it's the booze talking, but it's fucking cool to draft a guy who I went to school with and who would still stop and say hi to my wife and I on the street.

Baka PM'd.
 

ElcaballitoMVP

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I believe Baka's time is up at 4pm EST (8pm-midnight=4 hrs, 8am-4pm= 8 hrs).  It doesn't look like he's been online since yesterday morning, so I'm not sure we'll get a pick before his time runs out.
 
I just sent Was a PM to let him know he'll be on the clock soon. 
 

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Sorry for the delay....but seems like everyones been slow this weekend.
 
 
The KCC Select RB  Charles Sims  WV
 
 
 
Sims is a dual purpose threat that will instantly upgrade our Offense.
 

Super Nomario

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soxfan121 said:
Sure I am - I'm just valuing it differently. If Grimes becomes an All-Pro in his rookie year, then yeah, I blew the Ball pick. But if he struggles to find the field, slowly developing...and Ball plays 1000 snaps with a positive PFF score, then I knocked it out of the fucking park. 
What if Ball has 800ish average snaps at CB and Gaines contributes little this year, but is a better player as soon as 2015?
 
soxfan121 said:
I think if you'll look back at the record, I didn't draft a college guy until VERY late last year, too. I found those people stocking their teams with future UDFAs and rookie benchwarmers to be very helpful in meeting my draft strategy - surround Brady with talent for the rest of Brady's window. The expectation was never for this to last forever - I would have done it differently. Now that some of the prospect humpers are doubling down on yutes and trying to get as many 2020 All-Pros on their roster,
there's been even more opportunity to take underrated veteran contributors. 
 
I didn't draft anyone will make the All-Pro team this year or any year. Neither did 28 or 29 of the other teams. Panning for prospect gold...I get why it's appealing but it is also a lot of risk for not a lot of reward.
Hey, I drafted even fewer rookies than you did in last year's draft (less than half as many if you consider guys like Armstead and Kirkpatrick functionally rookies). I think guys like ESC take things too far in the other direction. I am far from a "prospect humper," as you put it. But my assessment is that in the first and second rounds, the risk / reward equation favors youth. Players drafted in this range do bust, but they have a significant chance of being useful and some chance of being a star. Later in the draft, you're either dealing with increased risk or a lower ceiling, and the calculus becomes less favorable.
 
In your favor, I will say that draft picks are devalued here because we don't controlled them for a certain period of time and they aren't a bargain in terms of salary (since we don't care about salary), which are two major points in favor of rookies in real life. Also, this is the only means we have of acquiring players, versus real life where there are multiple avenues (trade, FA, and the draft). But I think you're being way too dismissive with your "2020 All-Pros" comment. The 2013 Super-Bowl-winning QB was a second-year player, as was the passer-rating leader. The leader in yards / rush was your own rookie Andre Ellington. The leader in receiving yards was second-year Josh Gordon. The leader in picks was third-year Richard Sherman; third-year DE Robert Quinn had 19 sacks. You're right that rookies are unlikely to be major contributors in 2014, but some of them will be stars as soon as 2015, and you've largely missed out on your chance to get some of them. Football, like most athletic endeavors, is a young man's game, and by grabbing guys in their late 20's you're likely overpaying for what they have done as opposed to what they will do.
 

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Vance McDonald is probably not the long-term answer as an offensive force at TE for us.  You never know -- but I need to get better at TE, that's for sure.
 
So....
 

 

 
 
Richard Rodgers, TE
 
He's a Green Bay Packers draftee this year, and that means he's going to be in a high-octane passing offense with one of the best QBs in the game throwing to him. He's big (6'4", 257), can get down the field and make big plays (averaged 15.1 yards per reception over his college career).  Even though he only had 2 TDs in his college career, he projects to be a "joker" type of TE, playing all over the field, although not so much as a blocker.

I'm hoping he becomes an Aaron Hernandez type of player in Green Bay, without the serial killing.
 

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soxfan121 said:
Unless the argument is VERY convincing, and based on something tangible, I have a real hard time buying the "well, he would have played more for ME!" It's a broken, silly notion. If they guy was good, he would play for his NFL team. Only in very limited circumstances can the "he only played 50 snaps because he's behind X, hall of famer" argument hold water for very long. 
 
Snaps matter. Who holds starting jobs in the NFL matters. The level of play ON THE FIELD is the primary measure. Sure, there's a "fantasy" element to this but I am not interested in the "well, if 32 NFL teams/coaches/front offices saw what *I* see, they'd know that Joe Smith is great and should have played more." Joe Smith, if he were good, would play. 
This has been bugging me since I got back. The reason player X would have played more here than in real life is pretty simple. Depth. The real life teams have other players to play the position. Most of our teams last year had no backups so the healthy guys had to play regardless of their real life snaps. Their level of play in this exercise is obviously up for debate and most had something of a sample size albeit small to base an opinion on but it's inarguable that some of the underused or underutilized players in real life had to play more here. Honestly, its silly to say otherwise.
 

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CaptainLaddie said:
Vance McDonald is probably not the long-term answer as an offensive force at TE for us.  You never know -- but I need to get better at TE, that's for sure.
 
So....
 

 

 
 
Richard Rodgers, TE
 
He's a Green Bay Packers draftee this year, and that means he's going to be in a high-octane passing offense with one of the best QBs in the game throwing to him. He's big (6'4", 257), can get down the field and make big plays (averaged 15.1 yards per reception over his college career).  Even though he only had 2 TDs in his college career, he projects to be a "joker" type of TE, playing all over the field, although not so much as a blocker.
I'm hoping he becomes an Aaron Hernandez type of player in Green Bay, without the serial killing.
 
Did you PM the next guy in line? 
 

Super Nomario

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
 
Did you PM the next guy in line? 
I don't know if Laddie did, but I PM'd OFT last night at about 9:30. I think that puts his clock at expiring at 12:45 Eastern, assuming we were using weekend rules for yesterday.
 

SMU_Sox

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I assumed weekend rules for yesterday. I drafted some really good beer yesterday, you, SN?
 

Super Nomario

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I assumed weekend rules for yesterday. I drafted some really good beer yesterday, you, SN?
I had a Victory Summer Love Ale. I never had great alcohol tolerance before, and having a baby has definitely not helped, so I rarely have more than one. But I have one a lot. :)
 

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Super Nomario said:
I had a Victory Summer Love Ale. I never had great alcohol tolerance before, and having a baby has definitely not helped, so I rarely have more than one. But I have one a lot. :)
If you like summer ales, try Montauk Summer Ale.  Really good.  Had a lot more than one yesterday.
 

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Sorry for the no write ups, too guys. Relatively new employer and I don't want to login to SoSH here. Basically posting on breaks.
 

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With Konz ineffective last year and now gone, upgrading the interior OL is a priority. We'll add one of the top FA Gs from this offseason: Shelley Smith, G, Dolphins.
 

 
Smith got his first extensive crack at playing time for St. Louis this year and did well, grading out at +7 per PFF and the #31 G per B/R. He parlayed that performance into a decent two-year contract with Miami. He's a better run blocker than pass blocker, but should cause mayhem pulling or getting to the second level on zone plays. Smith is experienced at both G spots. He's one of the surest things available among the (shallow) crop of interior OL available, but even at 27 he still has some upside (PFF notes he had the 5th-highest percentage of positive run grades among all G). He was kind of this past offseason's Donald Thomas. It's not a sexy pick, but it fills a hole and the dropoff to the OL available next round looks steep.
 
I'm slotting Smith in at LG and shifting Kory Lichtensteiger to C (where he's reportedly moving in real life).
 
EDIT: PBDWake PM'd
 

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I get that he has the intangibles you look for, but what about his measurables?
 
Did you see the date on that report? He's measurably been in for more than three months. 
 

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The Pack will be taking Bruce Ellington, WR. We love his ability to separate, and feel he's a pretty solid get at this point in the draft, at a position we need.
PMing Jer now
 

Phragle

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Super Nomario said:
This was probably my mistake, but I'm not racist. I mean, I watch a lot of interracial porn.
 
In this porn is the woman black, or the man?
 
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
Just got back from vacation. Can't believe you guys let 121 off that easy...
 
He's not off. He drafted Chris Clark in the first round and then moved him to guard. Haha.
 
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I think Scoops is going to draft another linebacker...
 
Fortunately we have the depth to absorb this, and Lee should be back in time for our SB victory. He was going to get injured at some point, why not now?
 

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I think Scoops is going to draft another linebacker...
The sad thing is we talked about drafting (the unavailable) Bartu as additional depth in case of a Lee injury, then went with Taylor for much the same reason...we jinxed it ourselves.
 

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Scoops Bolling said:
The sad thing is we talked about drafting (the unavailable) Bartu as additional depth in case of a Lee injury, then went with Taylor for much the same reason...we jinxed it ourselves.
 
Inside the Scoops/phragle draft room: 
 

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Sorry for the delay, Texans will select Mathias Kiwanuka, DE to hold up the end of the line while Robert Mathis finishes his cycles. I just really like picking up old guys from the Giants.
 
Edit: MMS PMd
 

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I'm going to double dip on receivers drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles and grab Josh Huff, WR from Oregon.
 
Receivers taken in the 3rd round of the NFL draft are lottery tickets but I think there is a lot working in this guy's favor vis-a-vis the average third rounder.  Huff is the first Oregon player drafted by Chip Kelly, who recruited him to Eugene, coached him for three years, and then snapped him up in the 3rd round despite having gone WR in the 2nd as well. While he profiles mainly as a slot receiver in the NFL, Huff has a lot of versatility, lining up all over the place at Oregon (including at times in the backfield), and I'm excited to see what Kelly has planned for him with the Eagles.   With Desean Jackson and Jason Avant leaving and Jeremy Maclin likely gone after this year given his one-year show-me deal, Kelly clearly wanted to use this draft to add building blocks for the passing game going forward.  This turned out to be a big dynamic receiver in Jordan Matthews and a versatile swiss army knife in Huff.  We're glad to welcome both guys to the Mogadishu Bucs.
 

 
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