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Protecting the Shields -- The Nick Cafardo Thread

Discussion in 'Our Errors are Mistakes: The Media Forum' started by MyDaughterLovesTomGordon, Jan 19, 2009.

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  1. shaggydog2000

    shaggydog2000 Member SoSH Member

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    The only way he could improve the rankings would be to assign every manager a rating with two decimal places, without giving a methodology, and with the numbers not correlating with the rankings.

    1. Alex Cora - 4.28
    2. Bob Melvin - 5.01
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  2. joe dokes

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    Right, Nick. Character? Not at all. None.
    In fact, they first went after Charlie Manson, but the few remaining scouts forced them to back off when their computers told them that dead guys suck at baseball.
     
  3. JohntheBaptist

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    "This team over here signed character guys that are good at baseball for their character more than their baseball skill so good for them but these nerd computer-havers over there hired character guys but it totally wasn't for their character."

    The guy is fucking braindead.

    (I also love that it seems not a single baseball writer has discovered a synonym for "analytics" yet).
     
  4. E5 Yaz

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    Added to the insanity, Nick's knock on not considering character comes directly after he quotes Cash as saying:

    “This is a special group of players. There’s so much positive energy that these guys exhibit on a daily basis. We had that last year and you can see we have it again this year."

    Meanwhile,

    2. If you’re a player 32 or older, don’t expect much of a contract. You don’t score very high on team algorithm models. It’s a good thing that the Red Sox didn’t feel this way about 35-year-old Steve Pearce, the 2018 World Series MVP. Older players do great things. They also provide leadership and chemistry, intangibles lost in those models.
     
  5. joe dokes

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    It's spelled "team algorithim models," but it's pronounced "boogeyman."
     
  6. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    I’m going to ask Nick for $10,000 so I can invest it for him. I don’t know much about the stock market but I have pluck. That’s an intangible, right?

    Maybe he’ll let me do his inevitable open heart surgery. Again, I’m not a doctor but I used to channel surf past ER on Thursday nights.

    I’m glad he’s nowhere near running my favorite team.
     
  7. Dick Pole Upside

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    Scouts tell me that he chews tobacco, once gave his bullpen coach a hotfoot, and left a bubblegum bubble on the button of an unsuspecting David Price’s hat. Analytics can’t put a value on this, and his stories lift the spirits of teammates during rain delays.

    It’s mystifying how he remains unsigned, and this is Exhibit A about how baseball’s system is broken.
     
  8. scottyno

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    Shields clearly did wonders for the White Sox young staff last year. Also hasn't been an above average pitcher in 5 years, which I hear is something most teams are looking for when they sign a guy to actually throw a ball.
     
  9. Humphrey

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    I should make a chart of the number of times in 2019 he mentions Shields, Joey Batts and a few other washed up veterans.
     
  10. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    Excel doesn't have enough rows and columns for the amount of data that you're going to enter.

    But you should try.
     
  11. Van Everyman

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    Drink every time Nick says “analytics”:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...re-concerns/iEqtAJw7IaDZ6WXLkE69QL/story.html
     
  12. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    Wait. He doesn't mind three-hour games, but he minds that baseball is too long? Does he even bother to give his stuff a cursory reread before he turns it in? Do his editors give a shit?

    This is the fucking bullshit that I can't stand with this guy. And it's not like it happens once a month or even once a week, it's every time he publishes an article. There is no consistency in thoughts other than, "James Shields can really help some team out!" (he can't) and "MLB is losing scouts hand over fist and it's a huge emergency" (they're not).

    Fuck this dude. Jesus.
     
  13. joe dokes

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    I *think* he's saying, "I don't mind 3-hour games. But for those of you who do, the answer is not adding a clock, it's doing away with Cyberdyne wasting valuable seconds telling pitchers what to throw."

    And all hail the new thread title....
     
  14. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    Rereading those two paragraphs, that's one interpretation. And I don't think that you're necessarily wrong. But knowing what we know about Wilbur's dislike of analytics, I'm not sure if that's the case. If he was for longer games (like he claims he is) wouldn't he want pitchers to spend more time and concentrate on the next pitch that they're going to throw, rather than get on the hill and huck the ball?

    And BTW, this is the first time that I've read anyone anwhere make the argument that having Wade fucking Miley on your team is better than having David Price. "Well, he'll lose a lot more and give up more hits, walk a ton more and strike out far fewer ... but he'll do it quicker!"
     
  15. Smiling Joe Hesketh

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    Wade Miley returned all of Nick's calls. And like Nick, Wade Miley is profoundly mediocre. No wonder Nick loves him.
     
  16. Dick Pole Upside

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  17. tims4wins

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    I clicked on the first page of this thread, for fun. The timeframe was early 2009, so 10 years ago. And we were literally writing the same things then as today. It's hilarious.
     
  18. joe dokes

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    So was Nick.

    And now Nick can blame the analyticists and their fancy clock when Shields doesn't get picked up.
     
  19. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    I have become what I hate, I've been writing the exact same thing for ten years. I'm actually pleasantly surprised that I haven't had an aneurysm.
     
  20. joe dokes

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    Someone check me here. I know the default is that Nick is an idiot, but....Cora said this in the context of no Kimbrel:

    Then Nick wrote this:
    Cora's point just flew right passed him, didn't it? He was trying to point out that Barnes faced at least the same quality of hitters that Kimbrel did.

    (I can't figure out how to get the numbers that Cora was actually talking about).
     
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  21. tims4wins

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    Wow that is horrible
     
  22. E5 Yaz

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    How do you know you're not in a coma, dreaming all this?
     
  23. joe dokes

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    He's gone 'round the bend. I wonder if he's been offered the buyout, given his age-rantings of late...
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...o3vrV2ob9pvbcgwm5qXK/story.html?event=event12

    (Career OPS 743/852. And he has 1500 PA's vs RHPs and 900 vs LHP's, so about that label -- Non-existent? Accurate? Both?
    St. Buck of Showalter said “He killed lefthanded pitching" and never gave him more than 383 PA's)

     
  24. SirPsychoSquints

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    https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=2572665

    Barnes faced opposing batters averaging .247/.316/.405, True Average of .258. Kimbrel's opponents averaged .248/.320/.415, True Average of .262. So, Kimbrel's was marginally higher, but both were within spitting distance of average opponents.

    On the Red Sox, the pitchers facing the toughest true average:
    1. Poyner .267
    2. Eovaldi .265
    3. Pomeranz .264
    4. Cuevas .264
    5. Kelly .264
    6. Porcello .264
    Weakest:
    1. Walden .250
    2. Beeks .255
    3. ERod .257
    4. Barnes .258
    5. Scott .258
    6. Sale .258
     
  25. Kliq

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    Is believing a guy hits RHP or LHP better really "analytics" anyway? According to Bill James, subbing a guy in and out depending on the handiness of the pitcher has been taking place since the 1800s, and Casey Stengel popularized the term "platoon" in the 1940s. To me a hitter being a specialist is a traditional baseball strategy, same as the hit-and-run and sacrifice bunt.

    Also I don't think Nick has ever realized that not every single player over the age of 30 is an amazing teammate who provided leadership and unparalleled insight into the game of baseball. Some of them are assholes, tolerated because they could play at a high level and once they became mediocre or below-average players they were no longer being offered a contract.

    The Jose Reyes bit is classic Cafardo, contradicting his own argument by providing the only piece of factual information in his statement. Jose Reyes used to be really good, except for last season when he was terrible, fell off a cliff and hit .189 with no power, but he was once very good and if it wasn't for analytics, he'd be inking a big contract.
     
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  26. joe dokes

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    Thanks for doing the legwork.
    So Kimbrel faced slightly tougher hitters and was a bit more successful. Demonstrating something that few dispute, and answering a question no one is asking: Kimbrel was a better pitcher than Barnes. Thanks Nick.
     
  27. joe dokes

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    Silly you. Only the ones who aren't that good at baseball anymore can do that.
     
  28. shaggydog2000

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    Cafardo is like the guy in your fantasy sports team that hasn't paid attention to the sport in 5 years and drafts every washed up guy who used to be good.

    "How did Jose Reyes last this long?"
     
  29. Dr. Gonzo

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    Cafardo dead

     
  30. Smiling Joe Hesketh

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