I wouldn't give up the 3 for Hayward because they can just sign him outright in a year. He can be a free agent In a year. He's fantastic. Hoping he wants to play for Stevens no matter what
Propose Your Celtics Draft Pick Trades Here
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New Kevin Pelton insider article:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16405919/six-boston-celtics-trades-make-sense-2016-nba-draft
1. BOS trades #3 and RJ Hunter to PHI for Jahlil Okafor and Robert Covington
2. BOS trades #16 to NOP for Tyreke Evans or trades #23 to LAL for Lou Williams
3. BOS trades #31 and #51 to MIL for Greg Monroe
4. BOS sells some of its 2nd rounders to POR for future picks and/or cash
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16405919/six-boston-celtics-trades-make-sense-2016-nba-draft
Summary of significant proposed trades (these are either/or, not all trades)
1. BOS trades #3 and RJ Hunter to PHI for Jahlil Okafor and Robert Covington
2. BOS trades #16 to NOP for Tyreke Evans or trades #23 to LAL for Lou Williams
3. BOS trades #31 and #51 to MIL for Greg Monroe
4. BOS sells some of its 2nd rounders to POR for future picks and/or cash
I was wondering about Monroe today in relation to a possible package w/ Middleton. Isn't he a possible projection of Okafor in 6 years if he fails to meet his full potential?
I think I would do #1. The rest of them are very "meh" and don't move the needle much for me. Although Ainge is and apparently has been for a while a very big fan of Tyreke
Sobering tweet of the morning.
Ryan Russillo: "Not saying it's impossible but sentiment around the league is that Boston doesn't have anyone on roster that other GM's really want."
Ryan Russillo: "Not saying it's impossible but sentiment around the league is that Boston doesn't have anyone on roster that other GM's really want."
Well, we already know they don't have star players, but given the contracts that will be handed out this summer it's hard to take such a statement completely at face value. It's the height of lying season.
I don't mean to editorialize Russillo here but I am pretty sure he means that Boston isn't offering anyone from their roster that GM's want. I am sure that GM's would want IT, Bradley, Crowder and Smart. Just can't believe that none of these players have value
Russillo has been claiming that the picks are the only thing the Celtics can move for a big-name player. I'm guessing he's saying that players from the roster aren't going to net a big-name player unless they throw in this year's or next year's Nets picks.
It's also quite possible(actually quite probable) that Danny hasn't played his best hand yet. The best offers will come tomorrow.
Who exactly is Russillo arguing against here or claiming to be? Is there a single rational person who thought that the Celtics would get a big name player without moving the 3rd pick?
He wasn't arguing with anyone. He was stating a fact and claimed to have been talking to several insiders that said next years nets pick is the most valuable asset the Celtics have.
Brian Geltzeiler @hoopscritic 5m5 minutes agoMillburn, NJ
League sources tell http://hoopscritic.com that the Boston Celtics are pushing hard for Hayward and the Jazz are not biting right now
Brian Geltzeiler @hoopscritic 4m4 minutes agoMillburn, NJ
The Jazz are putting a steep price tag on Hayward. It remains to be seen if Boston will pay it but Brad Stevens wants Hayward...
League sources tell http://hoopscritic.com that the Boston Celtics are pushing hard for Hayward and the Jazz are not biting right now
Brian Geltzeiler @hoopscritic 4m4 minutes agoMillburn, NJ
The Jazz are putting a steep price tag on Hayward. It remains to be seen if Boston will pay it but Brad Stevens wants Hayward...
Really torn on this one. Hayward would no doubt be an excellent add... BUT he is a UFA next year so theoretically you'd have a shot at him next year without giving up any assets (other than signing him to a max deal). On the other hand, if you get him now it puts you in the driver's seat for singing him long term.
I would say that the Celtics would have a big advantage in signing Hayward long-term by having Brad Stevens as coach. Not to mention they have a ton of cap space to sign him to a max deal.
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I like Hayward as an upgrade to this roster, but what's his ceiling? Is it the #3 on a legit contender? Can he and IT be the #2-3 or do they still need to find 2 guys better than Hayward? If the answer is that they still need to find the two best players on that contender, I would just take my shot with the draft and try to add the Hayward tier in Free Agency.
Its likely that Hayward is much better than the player they get at #3, but there weren't many people who thought Jimmy Butler or Kawhi or Curry or Harden or Paul George would be quite the level of star that they are now. It sucks, but its just so hard to get that top guy in the NBA.
Its likely that Hayward is much better than the player they get at #3, but there weren't many people who thought Jimmy Butler or Kawhi or Curry or Harden or Paul George would be quite the level of star that they are now. It sucks, but its just so hard to get that top guy in the NBA.
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so the c's are willing to deplete their picks for a guy is a good but not great player when they can maybe sign him a year from now? So its a GFIN move when it won't move the needle nor likely help[ you recruit any all-star level players
Danny is smart but he has to come out of this week with more than Gordon Hayward
Danny is smart but he has to come out of this week with more than Gordon Hayward
If the C's wait until FA to go after Hayward, they can only offer a 4 year deal (or have to give something up then to do a sign and trade to get him his 5th year). If they trade for him now, they can increase it to 5. The cost is what they give up now vs. what they'd have to give in the sign and trade. The benefit is the added year of Hayward on the roster for the rebuild.
They need somebody better than Hayward to be a championship contender, but he's a really nice piece to start with. 20 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg with Utah last year. while shooting 35% from 3 pt range and 82% from the line. Over the past 2 seasons he's shot many more 3's than earlier in his career (jumped from 280 attempts in 13-14 to 410 this year) The Celtics desperately need a wing scorer and he fills that need.
Defensively, he's come a ways since his rookie year. I think he's good enough on defense where you don't have to worry about him being a liability.
I don't think Ainge will have to "deplete" his picks to get Hayward. If Hayward is serious about wanting out, it's now time for the Jazz to get the most value they can for him. If they give them #3, #16, and a player I think that would be fair value.
Exactly. Not saying the player is right but adding him now gives you an big advantage on signing him long term no doubt.
I get that, but basically you are saying that 1) he rather stay in Utah than test FA (assuming Boston is a top choice to leave to), and 2) that giving up assets for one year (when it will not help the C's become a contender in the East) in hopes that the extra year is the difference between him staying or leaving after this year is worth it.
ehhhh. now if you think getting him WILL entice a real aall-star player to come, then great. But geting hime might add a few wins in the regular season and not matter one iota come playoff time
Having him and a healthy Bradley would help you in the playoffs though. Obviously they still have to add, but the Atlanta series taught us that they really need wing scoring. It will open up Thomas and Bradley to get good looks as well. There isn't going to be a player available to the Celtics that would vault them into Cleveland's territory so slowly adding pieces might have to be the way to go. If they can get Hayward signed long-term, it's a no-brainer.
While is generally the case this is the one unique situation where missing out on Hayward this summer is a godsend with the Stevens connection next summer in not having to give up an asset. I'm not placing any of the "everyone wants to play for Brad" crap that's been written by some in the past only recognizing the real connection here in the unique Haywood situation.
Hayward is also not so great, imo, that you have to get him NOW given this connection. I love him as a big upgrade over Turner, but if you think there's a ~30% chance you'll have an inside track to signing him for nothing but cap space next summer, then it's worth holding on to the assets it would require to overpay for him today.
Wouldn't the Jazz be likely to move him at the deadline relatively cheap if they were out of the playoffs again?
But only if he's traded there now and stays next summer. There are people suggesting to wait until free agency and that means Hayward would have to give up loads of money. If he and his agent are smart, they'll work a trade to Boston long before it comes to that.
Any chance Philly trades an unprotected 2017 pick for #3? They seem to really want Dunn. This would allow them to do that and still move a big for something else (2017 pick or player to help now). I think they'll still stink next year so I would do it from a Cs POV.
Do you feel Utah will pay a 5-year Max to retain him? I am sure they could but that feels like a big spend. Maybe not though under the new reality.
I think Philly would do this, given their desire to get Dunn, and sign a bunch of free agents to make themselves decent. But this is also the kind of trade you don't see in the NBA.
It's not really. The "tens of millions" is really just the fifth year because the four year earnings are pretty much the same thanks to the last CBA. But Boston can counter that with a third year opt out.
There is a disconnect between what fans think a "max" player should be and what executives might be willing to pay for talent. There seems to be a general feeling from fans that you have to be an All-NBA talent to warrant a max contract, but I've heard that teams budget with the idea of two max slots at any given time. In that sense, you're talking 60 max level contracts floating around. Is Hayward one of the 60 best players in the league? Without a doubt.
Here is a possible trade target for the Celtics.
According to ESPN, the Sixers have included Embiid as a possible trade chip for a top draft pick. If ainge and the medical crew believe Embiid's health is good, it would be tempting.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/38231/nba-rumor-central-76ers-actively-shopping-jahlil-okafor-nerlens-noel-others
According to ESPN, the Sixers have included Embiid as a possible trade chip for a top draft pick. If ainge and the medical crew believe Embiid's health is good, it would be tempting.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/38231/nba-rumor-central-76ers-actively-shopping-jahlil-okafor-nerlens-noel-others
Not to me it wouldn't. I'd maybe consider giving up 16 for him.
If the Cs think the third pick is worth more than Noel/Okafor, which seems to be the case, how do we bridge that gap? Can we maybe do the deal for Smart, or even Smart + 23, instead of the pick?
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q91 - sign-and-trade may only be 3 or 4 years.
Only trading now through deadline guarantees 5th year option.
Does this mean that Smart isn't worth the 3rd pick? Is he? that is a good question. I have sort of been under the impression that he is.
If your options are the plethora of draftees who are being considered at 3-8 throw in Okafor, Noel, Embiid what is the ranking of those players. If Smart isn't your number one then Danny should blindly make that offer. Celts need the absolute best players available if they aren't going to pull off a big trade. Smart only has two years left on his rookie deal, so is he more valuable than Dunn? And they are close to the same age.
Am I completely off-base thinking #3 + Smart for Noel and the Lakers' 2017 pick is a good deal for the short and long term? The pick is top 3 protected in 2017 and then unprotected in 2018.
I think the draw of #3 for Philly is to get Dunn because they need a PG. if you give them Smart I don't think they're as urgent to get up there, unless they want someone like Heild to pair with him, no?
I was viewing Smart as not a true PG, which would still compel Philly to draft Dunn.
Seriously, though, the trio of Thomas, Rozier and Bradley should cut it. #16 or #23 could also add guard depth.
As someone else already stated, last year the had to use Evan Turner as a secondary option a ball handler. I'm not sure removing Smart from the equation - even if not a traditional PG - is the answer, unless you want to tread water next year hope to hit big in 17 draft.