Yeah, they don't have a Director of Pro Scouting or a Director of College Scouting right now. Ziegler was clearly the next guy up, so they'd basically be out their entire personnel management structure if he goes, too.Denver interviewing Ziegler
If the Pats lose both Ziegler and Caserio a year after losing Ossenfort that seems like a LOT of brain drain
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It's a promotion that he's apparently been looking to take for more than a year now. Can't begrudge him for taking a promotion.so now he bolts as the rebuild starts? welp, thanks for everything I guess.
Could be right, except Rap isn't in Woj's league by a long shot.It means they haven't or can't announce it yet, but it's done. It's how Woj does NBA tweets when he's not allowed to say it's done.
In almost any industry, rules blocking people from taking jobs they want to take are bullshit. It’s possible this is motivated by some anti-Pats sentiment but if so it’s a net positive so long as it is equally enforced across the league.Not that I disagree with the decision but I believe that this is another yet example of the league changing the rules to eff the Pats after they blocked the Texans a few years ago.
Bob Quinn is ... Jon Robinson is still employed.Aren't Jon Robinson, Thomas Dimitroff both available?
This is where I am. I can't root for anyone associated with Easterby. I hope the Texans lose every game until he is fired.Thank you Nick, and worst of luck in Houston.
You’re 100% in on that SI hit piece? I don’t know if I trust it. Belichick had this guy in the building, Caserio obviously likes him, on his podcast Lombardi kind of brushed of the SI piece saying all it told us was Easterby had enemies.This is where I am. I can't root for anyone associated with Easterby. I hope the Texans lose every game until he is fired.
Belichick had him in the building and defined his role. Easterby earned his enemies.You’re 100% in on that SI hit piece? I don’t know if I trust it. Belichick had this guy in the building, Caserio obviously likes him, on his podcast Lombardi kind of brushed of the SI piece saying all it told us was Easterby had enemies.
i am looking forward to seeing how it plays out. I get huckster vibes but I’m also a sucker for unconventional people or outsiders and this should be fun to watch.
He is. If Ziegler stays he’ll be the GM. If he leaves, then I think Wolf gets it.Is Eliott Wolf still with the Pats? He seems like a candidate to move into the chief non-Belichick personnel role.
His reputation for being more into traditional scouting and less analytics would play so well with the SOSH crowd...
There’s a number of ways they could go if Ziegler leaves. Could bring back someone like Pioli/Dimitroff/Quinn. Could bring an outside voice in who has worked in a Pats-type organization. Could go with someone completely new like Louis Riddick.He is. If Ziegler stays he’ll be the GM. If he leaves, then I think Wolf gets it.
Good points all.There’s a number of ways they could go if Ziegler leaves. Could bring back someone like Pioli/Dimitroff/Quinn. Could bring an outside voice in who has worked in a Pats-type organization. Could go with someone completely new like Louis Riddick.
To be specific: he'll be Director of Player Personnel (Caserio's title). I don't expect Belichick will ever give someone the GM title.He is. If Ziegler stays he’ll be the GM. If he leaves, then I think Wolf gets it.
I think Belichick, Caserio, and the Krafts (especially Jonathan) play a role here, but I think the name you are looking for is Richard Miller, whose official title is "Director of Research." He's been with the team since 1996 and been in this role since 2001. From the media guide: "Miller is responsible for managing the Patriots salary cap and player costs, player contract research and statistical trends, financial and strategic planning, and assisting the personnel department with draft, free agency, and game advance analytics."Who is the money man for the Pats? Do they have a salary cap guru? I ashamed to say I don’t know who does the contract negotiations.
"despite having zero prior experience in the Patriots’ system" There could be some positives in that.-> Before the Caserio move was known, a well-placed source said Belichick was sketching out prominent roles for Ziegler, but also Eliot Wolf, who came on in 2020 as a personnel consultant, in an effort to solve the team’s personnel woes.
-> If Ziegler lands in Denver, it is believed that Wolf will become the de facto personnel chief despite having zero prior experience in the Patriots’ system. There is wide concern about that, according to sources familiar with the Patriots’ front office.
-> Several former Patriots front office members are available, including Pioli, Mike Lombardi, fired Lions GM Bob Quinn and fired Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff.
-> Internally, college scouting coordinator Brian Smith and pro scout Steve Cargile are well-regarded.
Douglas got 6 years from the Jets might be a new trend for “rebuild” teams
Bill is going to be 69 years old in three months - at some point, don't we want a few of these people to stay around for succession-planning purposes?I really don't care for the Texans, but good for Caserio. If the price we pay as Patriots fans is good people getting promoted out of New England because Bill isn't going anywhere, so be it.
Agreed. I worship at the alter of Bill but the right outside eyes may give an edge.From Bedard's latest:
"despite having zero prior experience in the Patriots’ system" There could be some positives in that.
Only if you assume that the best way to treat the post-BB era is to promote from within. But I think there’s a strong case to be made that, once Belichick retires, a totally new approach/set of staff is the way to go because there’s not much evidence that anyone can effectively run a team “like Belichick” other than Belichick himself.Bill is going to be 69 years old in three months - at some point, don't we want a few of these people to stay around for succession-planning purposes?
This is a valid thought. I suspect when he goes that they take one shot at letting one of his underlings run the show, with a relatively short leash, and then go another direction.Only if you assume that the best way to treat the post-BB era is to promote from within. But I think there’s a strong case to be made that, once Belichick retires, a totally new approach/set of staff is the way to go because there’s not much evidence that anyone can effectively run a team “like Belichick” other than Belichick himself.
Steve and Brian are on the coaching staff.Bill is going to be 69 years old in three months - at some point, don't we want a few of these people to stay around for succession-planning purposes?
It has been a dynasty, after all.Steve and Brian are on the coaching staff.
Plus Ernie was cloned.It has been a dynasty, after all.
The Ravens over the last 20 years are a pretty strong counterpoint to this. Ozzie Newsome grew up in Belichick's scouting tradition in Cleveland.Only if you assume that the best way to treat the post-BB era is to promote from within. But I think there’s a strong case to be made that, once Belichick retires, a totally new approach/set of staff is the way to go because there’s not much evidence that anyone can effectively run a team “like Belichick” other than Belichick himself.
They haven't won a playoff game since 2014. The Pats have won 3 Lombardis in that time. The Ravens and the Saints are overrated franchises.The Ravens over the last 20 years are a pretty strong counterpoint to this. Ozzie Newsome grew up in Belichick's scouting tradition in Cleveland.
Kraft's track record involves getting sideways with a great coach he inherited (Bill Parcells) in the middle of what was a run of success, making a disastrous hire of Pete Carroll, who ran that success into the ground, and then hitting a home run with Belichick. It's a mixed bag. I don't have any special faith in Kraft sans Belichick, but others may disagree.They haven't won a playoff game since 2014. The Pats have won 3 Lombardis in that time. The Ravens and the Saints are overrated franchises.
I have faith that the Krafts will hire another great coach after BB retires. Their track record is pretty good.
I'm not saying the Ravens are not as good as the Patriots. But if your standard is "as good as the Patriots," 31 teams are found wanting. The Ravens are what, the 2nd or 3rd or 4th most successful franchise of the last 20-25 years?They haven't won a playoff game since 2014. The Pats have won 3 Lombardis in that time. The Ravens and the Saints are overrated franchises.
He’s hired 3 coaches and all 3 are going to the Hall of Fame.Kraft's track record involves getting sideways with a great coach he inherited (Bill Parcells) in the middle of what was a run of success, making a disastrous hire of Pete Carroll, who ran that success into the ground, and then hitting a home run with Belichick. It's a mixed bag. I don't have any special faith in Kraft sans Belichick, but others may disagree.
No, he's hired two coaches. Parcells was here before him. He doesn't get credit for hiring Pete Carroll in my mind, that was an awful fit and a disaster, regardless of what Pete did a decade-plus later.He’s hired 3 coaches and all 3 are going to the Hall of Fame.
Yeah you’re right about Tuna, my bad. I would argue that the Carroll hire shows that Kraft has an eye for coaching talent, even if the fit was awful. But YMMV and I can see why you would argue otherwise.No, he's hired two coaches. Parcells was here before him. He doesn't get credit for hiring Pete Carroll in my mind, that was an awful fit and a disaster, regardless of what Pete did a decade-plus later.
Grier did help scout Tom Brady though!Kraft's biggest mistake was the hiring of Bobby Grier, who undermined both Parcells and later Carroll.
Thank you. It was not Pete who made that era much less than it should have been in New England.Kraft's biggest mistake was the hiring of Bobby Grier, who undermined both Parcells and later Carroll.