Playoff Fear Factor

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There are legitimate reason to be concerned about every team left. But do you think this Pats D is nowhere near Super Bowl caliber? I assume you don't, considering your bullishness. That ridiculous verbiage just set me off. It's so wrong and entitled. It's like a Yankee fan in 2000 saying, "Our 4th starter isn't a number one starter and that's a problem."

The Pats were 13-3, have the #1 seed, and the 5th best scoring D in the league. Yet it's nowhere near super bowl caliber.
Totally agree with this. The AFC has many flaws but the Pats probably have the least amount of flaws of any of them. Getting Hogan, Burkhead, White, Branch back and possibly Mitchell can go a long way to covering these flaws that we have seen in the past few weeks.
 

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There are legitimate reason to be concerned about every team left. But do you think this Pats D is nowhere near Super Bowl caliber? I assume you don't, considering your bullishness. That ridiculous verbiage just set me off. It's so wrong and entitled. It's like a Yankee fan in 2000 saying, "Our 4th starter isn't a number one starter and that's a problem."

The Pats were 13-3, have the #1 seed, and the 5th best scoring D in the league. Yet it's nowhere near super bowl caliber.
Yeah, I disagree with the claim that it's "nowhere near super bowl caliber". Quite clearly, it's at least "near" Super Bowl caliber.

From a points-per-game allowed perspective (and I disagree with people who say this is the only stat that matters...ultimately, yes, but if you're evaluating the quality of a defense, there's more that goes into it than that; but it is the MAJOR stat to pay attention to), here's how the playoff teams rank:

1. Min - 15.8
2. Jax - 16.8
4. Phi - 18.4
5. NE - 18.5
7. Pit - 19.3
8. Atl - 19.7
10. NO - 20.4
11. Car - 20.4
12. LAR - 20.6
15. KC - 21.2
17. Ten - 22.3
18. Buf - 22.4

From an offensive standpoint, here's how they rank:

1. LAR - 29.9
2. NE - 28.6
3. Phi - 28.6
4. NO - 28.0
5. Jax - 26.1
6. KC - 25.9
8. Pit - 25.4
10. Min - 23.9
12. Car - 22.2
15. Atl - 22.1
19. Ten - 20.9
22. Buf - 18.9

Point differential:

Phi: +10.2
NE: +10.1
Jax: +9.3
LAR: +9.3
Min: +8.1
NO: +7.6
Pit: +6.1
KC: +4.7
Atl: +2.4
Car: +1.8
Ten: -1.4
Buf: -3.5

In my view, the Patriots have to be the team with the best odds of winning the Super Bowl. I haven't seen Vegas odds but I'm sure I'm right.
 

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Pats fan can be the worst. That horrible 2011 Pats team was literally one Welker drop from winning the super bowl. But they weren't Super Bowl Caliber?
The defense wasn't Super Bowl caliber -- just look at Ed Hillel's post above. The only reason they were in that game was because they were facing a 9-7 Giants team with a -6 point differential during the regular season. If they'd played the Packers, 49ers, or Saints, they would have been a double-digit underdog.
 

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The defense wasn't Super Bowl caliber -- just look at Ed Hillel's post above. The only reason they were in that game was because they were facing a 9-7 Giants team with a -6 point differential during the regular season. If they'd played the Packers, 49ers, or Saints, they would have been a double-digit underdog.
If a team is one single 3rd down drop from winning the Super Bowl, it's a Super Bowl caliber offense and defense. The Pats have literally been Super Bowl caliber almost every year since 2001. Even in the years they lost, they had a very good chance to win it all.

Every team needs breaks. When the Pats get those breaks, they win. When they don't, they lose. But they are always Super Bowl caliber.
 

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Anyone who says this defense compares to 2011 should be required to actually go look at that 2011 roster, especially the DB and safety positions. The 2017 Pats on D are better, and I mean significantly so, in every single defensive back position down the line. And when you see McCourty as CB, let’s not forget he was all-time terrible that year before being converted to safety the next season.

Asstastic McCourty
Kyle Arrington
Sterling Moore
Nate Jones
Antuan Molden
Malcolm Williams
Out of position Chung
Sergio Brown
James Ihedigbo

I mean look at that.
And don't forget Matt Slater and Julian Edelman.
 

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Every team needs breaks. When the Pats get those breaks, they win. When they don't, they lose.
You can't tell me that 2011 team didn't get breaks. They only made the Super Bowl because Sterling Moore makes a once-in-a-lifetime play, followed by Billy Cundiff shanking a 32 yard FG attempt. And if Pittsburgh didn't choke against the Denver Tebows, I'm not convinced they even make the AFFC game, either.

That defense was 31st in yards allowed during the regular season, 32d in first downs allowed, 30th in defensive DVOA, and a whopping 15th in points allowed. That was a bad defense.
 

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The defense wasn't Super Bowl caliber -- just look at Ed Hillel's post above. The only reason they were in that game was because they were facing a 9-7 Giants team with a -6 point differential during the regular season. If they'd played the Packers, 49ers, or Saints, they would have been a double-digit underdog.
Have the Pats been a double digit underdog in any game since the Rams Super Bowl?
 

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Anyone who says this defense compares to 2011 should be required to actually go look at that 2011 roster, especially the DB and safety positions. The 2017 Pats on D are better, and I mean significantly so, in every single defensive back position down the line. And when you see McCourty as CB, let’s not forget he was all-time terrible that year before being converted to safety the next season.

Asstastic McCourty
Kyle Arrington
Sterling Moore
Nate Jones
Antuan Molden
Malcolm Williams
Out of position Chung
Sergio Brown
James Ihedigbo

I mean look at that.
Holy shit. That's a squad right there.
 

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To overstate the painfully obvious: I like their chances against any team in either conference if they have the following pieces in place: a healthier Brady, Van Noy, Branch, Hogan, Mitchell, Waddle, Burkhead, and James White. Without all of these guys healthy and capable of contributing, then they're ripe for a loss to almost anyone left in the AFC.

I may be alone in this, but I thought the running game actually looked more consistent than the passing game against Buffalo and the NYJ. The injuries to Edelman, Mitchell, White, and Burkhead have led to a recent relative decline in those reliable short-to-intermediate slot and crossing routes. This has made it far easier for teams to key on Gronk and Cooks. Still, no one in the AFC scares me. They're all playoff teams, and--as BaseballJones reminded us--if Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez can beat us, then anyone can. But that makes the AFC contenders, including Pitt and KC, a concern--not a fear. And let's not forget that Ben is terrible on the road, and Andy Reid in a playoff game is still Andy Reid in a playoff game.

The NFC is different. The NE defense needs health and highly productive efforts from both the offense and ST to give us a shot against NO, LAR, or the Vikings. The first two worry me more because shutting down either team's running game (both squads' primary strength) will be very tough, and each has a passing game that can do a lot of damage if the plan is to line up and stop Gurley or Kamara/Ingram. Carolina and Atlanta are match-up concerns but I f don't see them or Philly making it to Minnesota.
 
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It's the NFL, they are. Not 3 weeks ago we lost to the Dolphins.

The Pats are certainly big favorites over every AFC team but Pitt and Jax. But even if we were 4-1 favorites in all 3 games, it's still essentially a coin flip that we lose at least one (and one eliminates the rest). We've been pretty spoiled by having great teams with some lucky breaks, but 2007 should make it clear that no matter how good a team you are, you can lose any game. Especially in the playoffs.
I absolutely know that. I'm a big believer in "any given Sunday".

It's just amusing to me to read this thread and see we're "scared" of one team because they beat us from time to time and have no fear (Chiefs), and scared of another that rarely beats us, but you know, can (Steelers). My point is more--"it's the NFL, it happens" instead of trying to shoehorn some reason in there.
 

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I think the key to the Pats' Super Bowl run is how healthy the offense will be. That's not to dismiss the importance of Branch or Van noy, but the defense largely is what it is. I think Harrison could help get them off of the field on 3rd downs (which has been a problem at times this season) but I don't think the defense we see in the playoffs will be dramatically different from what we've been seeing. If the offense can get these injured skill position players contributing, it has a chance to be a much different unit from what we've seen the past month or so.

The intermediate passing game has been de-emphasized this season, largely due to the injuries to Edelman, Hogan, and Mitchell. If they can get even one of Hogan or Mitchell back and playing at a solid level, that could go a long way towards making this offense more difficult to stop. If they can get both of them back, the Pats will be an extremely difficult team to slow down. Without them, the Pats are basically limited to short throws to the backs and deep throws to Gronk and Cooks, with few threats in the intermediate passing game (Amendola, basically).

As for their potential opponents, it's a really weird set of teams this season.

Tennessee is garbage and it's a miracle they're even in the playoffs. The only way the Pats lose to them is if multiple disasters take place. I guess it's possible Mariota plays the game of his life but he has shown no reason to expect that to happen based on his body of work this season. I think they are easily the worst team in the playoffs, in either conference, and will probably lose by at least two touchdowns in KC this weekend.

Buffalo is a step above garbage but not that great a team either. However, as others have mentioned, their familiarity with the Pats could help them keep it close. And in a close game, all it takes a break or two to swing the outcome. I wouldn't lose any sleep about playing the Bills but I can envision a scenario in which they come into Foxboro and steal a W. Not likely, but possible. If McCoy is out then they go down into the garbage bucket with Tennessee and we're back to "it would take a miracle" status.

I think Jacksonville is being a bit overrated by some in this thread. The defense is supremely talented but they are far from a 2000 Ravens or 1985 Bears-type unit. Those teams had legit shutdown defenses where it was a mighty struggle to even move the ball. Stringing together a couple first downs and flipping field position would be considered a win against those teams. That's not really what this Jags defense is about. They basically live off of big plays: sacks, turnovers, defensive TDs. If you can avoid negative plays against them, there is hay to be made. And I'm still not sold on the Blake Bortles resurgence. He was horrible against a bad Titans team last week. Even if the Jags D forced a turnover or two, there's a decent chance Bortles would turn it over himself. Fournette hasn't really been all that impressive either. Keep him from breaking off a long run and he'll plod along for 3-4 yards a carry. It's not like he consistently rips off 10-20 yard runs with any regularity. This team had a pretty soft schedule and dominated a lot of bad teams. I think they're still a year (and an upgrade at QB) away from being a legit contender.

KC is a weird one to figure out. Won 5 straight to start the season, then lost 6 of their next 7 before closing out with 4 straight victories. Most of those losses were bad too: a 3-win Giants team; a 5-win Jets team; a 6-win Oakland team; a Bills team that had lost three straight and was going through a QB controversy (at home, no less). But even if they played at their best, I'm still not sure it would be enough to win in Foxboro in January. People talked about the opening game as if it was a blowout, but the Pats were actually leading going into the 4th quarter. KC reeled off a few big plays, NE couldn't move the ball, and the final score made it look like a blowout. But it really wasn't. In the end, I don't have a ton of faith that Andy Reid will coach this team up to bring their 'A' game to Foxboro, and I don't think those big plays would be there this time around.

And that brings us to the Steelers, the most legitimate competition for the AFC crown. Yes, they have always struggled against the Pats. But so did the Colts before they finally turned the tables. Previous performance is no guarantee of future returns, etc. And it's not like they got waxed this season, like they had in previous games. It was neck and neck all day long. This could come down to health. Again, will the Pats be healthy on offense? Will Brown be healthy for Pittsburgh? Also: how much of a distraction will James Harrison be for the Steelers? It was pretty obvious this week that it struck a nerve to some Steelers that he signed with the Pats. It's probably not going to amount to a material difference, but I think it's more likely to have a negative impact (however slight) on the Steelers than it is on the Pats. Think this matchup would come down to what most close NFL games come down to: who is healthier, who wins the turnover battle, and who makes the fewest mistakes.

I don't think the NFC is even worth thinking about at this point (vis-a-vis the Pats, at least) but I would probably be most worried about the Vikings. Keenum could turn into a pumpkin at any point in time but they have a great defense, a very good coaching staff, and the Super Bowl would be a home game for them. I may be splitting hairs though. As a group, the NFC playoff teams are much stronger than their AFC counterparts. I'm not sure anyone in the AFC outside of NE and Pitt would even qualify for the playoffs in the NFC. Maybe Jacksonville but they feasted on a bunch of AFC cupcakes. I'm still not convinced they're actually a good team.
 

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KC has dismantled NE 2 of the last 3 matchups, including in NE.
 

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Anyone who says this defense compares to 2011 should be required to actually go look at that 2011 roster, especially the DB and safety positions. The 2017 Pats on D are better, and I mean significantly so, in every single defensive back position down the line. And when you see McCourty as CB, let’s not forget he was all-time terrible that year before being converted to safety the next season.
By the "McCourty wasn't McCourty" token, I don't think Gilmore or Butler have had especially strong years. All-in-all, the secondary definitely is better this year. But the front seven is worse. That 2011 squad had 10 sacks out of both Andre Carter (who was really good but got hurt for the playoffs) and Mark Anderson (who was kind of a one-trick pony), 6.5 sacks out of Ninkovich, and also featured Vince Wilfork and Jerod Mayo in their primes. The DE, DT, LB were all stronger.

That defense was 31st in yards allowed during the regular season, 32d in first downs allowed, 30th in defensive DVOA, and a whopping 15th in points allowed. That was a bad defense.
The defense this year is not a lot better in most of these metrics. They were 31st in yards before yesterday's rock fight (29th now) and 32nd in DVOA.

Ultimately, this D is better than 2011 but in the same league as the 2010 and 2012 defenses. It's much closer to that group than the '14-'16 defenses.
 

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If they'd played the Packers, 49ers, or Saints, they would have been a double-digit underdog.
Hot takes are hot. I'm not saying you're insane, but you are wrong.

The Pats scored 500+ points that year--there was no way a team led by Brady's 5200 yards and 39 TDs was going to be a double digit dog. None.
 

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KC has dismantled NE 2 of the last 3 matchups, including in NE.
They dismantled NE in 1 of the last 3 matchups in Arrowhead. The game at Gillette was close in the 4th quarter. Also not having Eric Berry to cover Gronk is going to be a problem for KC.
 

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They can only play one of Pittsburgh or Jacksonville, and that would be at home for the AFC Championship - it is supposed to be hard at that point. So, whatever. Ditto the Super Bowl - it's the Super Bowl - I'll take my chances against anyone.

So this really comes down to the divisional round for me. My preference of opponent in order would be:
1. Bills
2. Titans
(big gap)
3. KC

Could probably make an argument for either the Bills or Titans as the preferred opponent. The Bills have given us some issues despite the lopsided total scores. But Mariota and that running game could also give us some problems.

Chances are the Pats are gonna get KC, and it's not going to be easy. But at least BB will be able to dig up the week 1 tape to humble the Pats.
There is that old bugaboo about having to beat a team for the third time in a season. That would be the Bills. They’d have to get by Jax, at Jax. If that ever happened, da Bills come to Foxboro again. I think I’d rather get Tennessee which would be set up by the Bills losing and the Titans beating KC at KC. So, very high likelihood we’re getting KC, which would be far more of a threat than either Buffalo or Tennessee. Beat KC, then I’d rather play Jax, who would be more “happy to get this far” than Pittsburgh would ever be.

For NFC team I’d least like to face, no team stands out (like the Patriots would in a Sons of Brad Johnson or the like thread). B.B. is historically very successful in taking away a team’s very best threat. I suppose the Rams with Gurley and their passing attack have two, but their overall inexperience in big games may hurt them. Also, no week off for them. Still, the Rams, with the Vikings a close second would be the team I’d rather not see.
 
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By the "McCourty wasn't McCourty" token, I don't think Gilmore or Butler have had especially strong years. All-in-all, the secondary definitely is better this year. But the front seven is worse. That 2011 squad had 10 sacks out of both Andre Carter (who was really good but got hurt for the playoffs) and Mark Anderson (who was kind of a one-trick pony), 6.5 sacks out of Ninkovich, and also featured Vince Wilfork and Jerod Mayo in their primes. The DE, DT, LB were all stronger.
Maybe this is unfair, but I’m comfortable throwing out the first four weeks as players and coaches getting used to scheming. After that point, while Butler and Gilmore weren’t in top form, I don’t think they were close to as bad as many would make them out to be, particularly Gilmore. The pass rush is not very good, which also makes them look worse.

As for DT, I don’t think it’s a huge difference now than it was heading into the playoffs in 2011. Mike Wright, who had really come on, had his brain melt unfortunately, and the depth was pretty weak, though I think Wilfork might have had his best run ever in late 2011. Guy and Brown are quite good, I think, probably a top 10 pairing on the inside. The depth is decent now, too. There are no Ron Braces and Joe Vellanos like 2011. Deaderick carved out a decent career, though, as I recall.

OLB/DE is another story, though the Carter injury was a killer for them. Nink was of course his solid self, though he had an absolutely killer offsides in the fourth quarter of the SB on third down with the Giants pinned in their own end that probably would have tilted the game. LB tilts 2011, as well, but that’s probably closer than we think. After Mayo, that unit fell off pretty quickly. Gary Guyton was playing like 75+% of snaps late in the season, as I recall, and boy was he awful, possibly worse than Roberts. With Flowers rounding into form, he and Van Noy make up a decent coupling.
 

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A couple of thoughts on potential matchups.

1. Pitt- How much of a factor will Brown be coming off a partially torn calf? Given that neither Pittsburgh or Foxboro in January is exactly Miami, what will be his re-injury risk?

2. KC-Eric Berry pretty much took Gronk out of the game in the opener. KC doesn’t have anyone near that level that can cover Gronk one on one.

3. Jax- Great D but how does Bortles and their offense play in winter conditions?
 

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Maybe this is unfair, but I’m comfortable throwing out the first four weeks as players and coaches getting used to scheming. After that point, while Butler and Gilmore weren’t in top form, I don’t think they were close to as bad as many would make them out to be, particularly Gilmore. The pass rush is not very good, which also makes them look worse.
Mostly fair. For what it's worth, the 2011 squad kinda stabilized things down the stretch with Ihedigbo and moving McCourty to safety on passing downs. I mean, that doesn't sound like much, but compared to Sergio Brown or Matt Slater at S, it was an improvement. Kinda like how Marquis Flowers has helped just because they don't have play Roberts and Harris (both of them slow) at the same time.

As for DT, I don’t think it’s a huge difference now than it was heading into the playoffs in 2011. Mike Wright, who had really come on, had his brain melt unfortunately, and the depth was pretty weak, though I think Wilfork might have had his best run ever in late 2011. Guy and Brown are quite good, I think, probably a top 10 pairing on the inside. The depth is decent now, too. There are no Ron Braces and Joe Vellanos like 2011. Deaderick carved out a decent career, though, as I recall.
You're mixing up years a bit; Vellano was 2013, Brace barely played, and Wright only played one game in 2011 - the last game he ever played, as it turned out. 2011 was Wilfork / Love / Deaderick / Shaun Ellis and that was also the year of the Albert Haynesworth experiment. This year's group is OK but I'd take 2011's. I guess if you count Flowers' ability to kick inside that could tip things to 2017.
 

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I believe Andy Reid will be able to scheme up a couple of shockingly easy TDs for the Chiefs, so on that basis alone I have them down as the biggest AFC threat.
 

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So, in case you're keeping score, we're scared of:

Pittsburgh: "talent"
KC: "done it before"
Jax: "that defense!"
Bills: "tough to beat team 3x in one season"

Which means we'll lose to the Titans.
 

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There is that old bugaboo about having to beat a team for the third time in a season. That would be the Bills. They’d have to get by Jax, at Jax. If that ever happened, da Bills come to Foxboro again. I think I’d rather get Tennessee which would be set up by the Bills losing and the Titans beating KC at KC. So, very high likelihood we’re getting KC, which would be far more of a threat than either Buffalo or Tennessee. Beat KC, then I’d rather play Jax, who would be more “happy to get this far” than Pittsburgh would ever be.

For NFC team I’d least like to face, no team stands out (like the Patriots would in a Sons of Brad Johnson or the like thread). B.B. is historically very successful in taking away a team’s very best threat. I suppose the Rams with Gurley and their passing attack have two, but their overall inexperience in big games may hurt them. Also, no week off for them. Still, the Rams, with the Vikings a close second would be the team I’d rather not see.
Goff had played to his competition this year. He has been really good against bad times and below average against good teams. I’m impressed with what McVay has done but I don’t think the Rams get to the SB and if they do I think it’s a good matchup for the Patriots. Dion will run on that team all day.

The Saints are the toughest SB matchup. They’ve had some bad injury luck the past month which could catch up to them. But they have very good corners and an excellent run blocking line with two great running backs. And Brees. His numbers are down this year because of the run focus but he’s still a top 6-7 QB. It’s just very unlikely that a QB like Keenum, Foles, Bortles wins the SB. It’s happened but when you look at the last 15 years it’s basically the same QBs in the SB every year.
 

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1999 Titans beat Jax x3
2000 NO lost rams x2, won in playoffs;
NYG beat PHI x3
2002 PIT beat CLE x3
2004 rams beat sea x3
min lost to gb x2, won in playoffs
2007 NYG lost to DAL x2, won in playoffs
2008 Pit beat BAL x3
2009 DAL beat PHI x3

I think(think) that's all of the cases in the past 20 years that a team had a chance to go 3-0. They went 6-3.
 

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1999 Titans beat Jax x3
2000 NO lost rams x2, won in playoffs;
NYG beat PHI x3
2002 PIT beat CLE x3
2004 rams beat sea x3
min lost to gb x2, won in playoffs
2007 NYG lost to DAL x2, won in playoffs
2008 Pit beat BAL x3
2009 DAL beat PHI x3

I think(think) that's all of the cases in the past 20 years that a team had a chance to go 3-0. They went 6-3.
That makes sense. How you do in the next game is largely unrelated to the previous ones, but if you are 2-0 against them then you're most likely a stronger team than they are and have a better than 50/50 shot of winning the third matchup.
 

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1997 Pats also won in Miami in week 17 to clinch the division then beat them the following week in Foxboro
 

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Some googling and the team that was 2-0 won the third game about 67% of the time. I’m sure the Bills would take a 33% chance.
Sure, but a regular season team that wins 67% of the time equates to about a typical playoff team--around 11 wins. Not really sure that's something we'd lean on to "fear" the other team, that's all.
 

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I think KC is their biggest challenge. Alex Smith has the tools to beat up our slow linebackers and the soft zone. And they have enough of a running game to keep the safeties a half a step off the play.
That being said, they don't have Berry. That's big. And Gilmore can't possibly play as bad as he did in their first match up. Our defense was a hot mess on opening night and the Pats were still in the game late.
Ii don't think they could come up to Foxboro and beat the Pats in a playoff game. But that is the one team I would be worried about until the Super Bowl. Butler and Gilmore have to play well, and McCourty needs to keep up the high level of play he has shown in the last several games.
 

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yea we always under rate the Pats "no where near...." but over rate everyone else.

So WHO is NEAR superbowl contenders this year?

If not us then who?

Like almost every year over the last 15 we are the favorites (both in the AFC and the SB) and for good reason. Especially when you remember there is no "super team" in the league this year. Injuries killed GB, Philly and Seattle. Minnesota is the one seed in the NFC with Keenum. Says good things about their D, but at the end of the D its Keenum.
There are some Good to Very Good teams:
Minn
LA
Pitt

Good teams:
Jacksonville
(maybe) KC

And Everyone Else.

All that said the Pats are no Super Team either this year. They are very good. But if there is one thing we know about the NFL Very Good teams get beat EVERY week.

And I dont put much stock in the "Viking Home Game" thing. I dont care if the opponent (and Pats) sleep in their own sleep number bed with their own wife or in a Hotel Sleep Number with someone elses. What i do care about is how loud it will be during the game. I dont think Sven Johanson is going to fill a majority of the seats at the Game. This will still be about who wants to pay 5k a seat. Maybe Minnesota Money ends up outspending New England money but we wll see. Alot of patriot fans have been there done that so they might still be the "Away" team when it comes to noise. But alot of Patriot fans might want to see Brady win 6 too.
 

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yea we always under rate the Pats "no where near...." but over rate everyone else.

So WHO is NEAR superbowl contenders this year?

If not us then who?

Like almost every year over the last 15 we are the favorites (both in the AFC and the SB) and for good reason. Especially when you remember there is no "super team" in the league this year. Injuries killed GB, Philly and Seattle. Minnesota is the one seed in the NFC with Keenum. Says good things about their D, but at the end of the D its Keenum.
There are some Good to Very Good teams:
Minn
LA
Pitt

Good teams:
Jacksonville
(maybe) KC

And Everyone Else.

All that said the Pats are no Super Team either this year. They are very good. But if there is one thing we know about the NFL Very Good teams get beat EVERY week.

And I dont put much stock in the "Viking Home Game" thing. I dont care if the opponent (and Pats) sleep in their own sleep number bed with their own wife or in a Hotel Sleep Number with someone elses. What i do care about is how loud it will be during the game. I dont think Sven Johanson is going to fill a majority of the seats at the Game. This will still be about who wants to pay 5k a seat. Maybe Minnesota Money ends up outspending New England money but we wll see. Alot of patriot fans have been there done that so they might still be the "Away" team when it comes to noise. But alot of Patriot fans might want to see Brady win 6 too.
In a hypothetical NE/MIN SB, like 95% of the sizable neutral crowd would be going for MIN. I also wonder if the weather would cause some Pats fans to stay away. SB trips are supposed to be a winter getaway and going to the North Pole of Minneapolis where the wind chill is currently -15 degrees may not be appealing to the casual fans.
 

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No. I don’t know what odds it would take for me to take the Bills at Gillette. Gives me a headache thinking about it.
Well basically 1 to 3 is about a 6.5 point favorite. Patriots would be 10 point favorites at least and about -600 on the ML.
 

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I'd be most nervous facing NO; they have a great QB - the best other QB in the playoffs- and seem to be getting better. They are my pick to make it through the NFC.

I'd be extremely nervous facing KC, they have a pass rush and are fast on offense which are the two things I most fear. I'd be plenty nervous facing MIN or JAX or PIT. I haven't watched enough Rams to be terrified. But really in 2014 NE got the six seed (10-6 BAL) in the Divisional Round and the game very nearly killed me so pretty much any playoff game has the potential to be a complete nightmare and end up as an L.

Ed: LOL @ Colts in the 2014 afccg and LOL @ Ravens missing the playoffs this year
 

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I'd be extremely nervous facing KC, they have a pass rush and are fast on offense which are the two things I most fear. I'd be plenty nervous facing MIN or JAX or PIT. I haven't watched enough Rams to be terrified. But really in 2014 NE got the six seed (10-6 BAL) in the Divisional Round and the game very nearly killed me so pretty much any playoff game has the potential to be a complete nightmare and end up
The chiefs actually can’t rush the passer well. They were 11 sacks behind the patriots and closer to the bottom of the league with 31 overall. Kansas City has almost 10% of their sacks in the patriots game. Kansas City was also terrible against the pass this season, ranking right next to the Patriots. Their defense is worse than the patriots.

People remember opening game, but that was the best game KC played all season by a mile. They aren’t that good.
 

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Points well-taken, although KC was god-awful in the middle of the season and sort of righted the ship. It means nothing probably but they are the only team in the playoffs with a four game win streak,
 

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I think Minnesota, IN Minnesota, could be a challenge. I also think if that happened they'd totally get Randy Moss to do the coin flip.

I think that Gurley could exploit the New England front 7 much like Kareem Hunt did in week 1.

I don't fear any AFC team coming into Foxborough
 

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Small sample, but the playoffs QB the Patriots have been worst against is Cam Newton and it isn't close. He absolutely torched them earlier this year and in 2013. Newton has better career efficiency numbers against the Patriots than any other team.
 

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JJSM makes PIT a scary matchup, esp if Brown is healthy. NE has no one to matchup with him, Brown and Bryant and they can't afford safety help without exposing a LB in coverage on Bell.

A PIT rematch will come down to red zone execution. Don't see either D slowing the other team down much. Any other offense outside of NO, NE should be able to scheme up a D to slow them down.

We've already seen PIT have their way with NE D sans the best WR in football. With both teams healthy that game is a coin flip IMO.
 

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Looks like the Pats will beat either NO or Minnesota in the SB. They've already beaten the other teams.
 

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In a hypothetical NE/MIN SB, like 95% of the sizable neutral crowd would be going for MIN. I also wonder if the weather would cause some Pats fans to stay away. SB trips are supposed to be a winter getaway and going to the North Pole of Minneapolis where the wind chill is currently -15 degrees may not be appealing to the casual fans.
Not to mention the effect it would have on ticket prices. I can’t imagine what the get in price would be with the hometown team in the super bowl. Vikings fans are starving for a super bowl. They will be able to shell out a lot more $$ for a ticket since they won’t need to pony up for a flight or hotel.