Peter Chiarelli fired; Claude and coaching staff stays
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"Okay... Okay, Cam. Fair enough. Pick one from Jordan Eberle, Benoit Pouliot, or Matt Hendricks."
"Balls? Really? Well... No thanks on him. Let's see... Eberle... Young... Talented... Fast... Skilled... Ew. I hear Hendricks is good in the room, is old (33), and wins his share of puck battles. I'LL TAKE HIM!"
"Balls? Really? Well... No thanks on him. Let's see... Eberle... Young... Talented... Fast... Skilled... Ew. I hear Hendricks is good in the room, is old (33), and wins his share of puck battles. I'LL TAKE HIM!"
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25178402/red-wings-give-mike-babcock-permission-to-talk-to-other-teams
I'm a fan of Clod, but Babcock is one of the few coaches I would have no problem subbing in. In professional sports, most clubs need a change of scenery every few years. The Belichicks of the world are few and far between. I don't want to move on from Clod for the sake of moving on, but if you can get Babcock, I don't think twice about it. Clod is one of the better (best?) coaches in the league, but like anyone else he has weaknesses. Some players would probably benefit from a change. The Bruins probably don't make this move without a GM in place though, right? With no evidence to point towards this, is it possible the Bruins knew Babcock would be available and wanted to offer him input on the GM before making the hire?
I'm as big of a Claude supporter as anyone, but if they replace him with Babcock then I really would have nothing to complain about.
We still don't have a GM, and Babcock wants more control (and more money). Bruins can do both, and have a really good nucleus moving forward.
It makes sense for both sides. Don't know that it will happen, but I find it all curious.
It makes sense for both sides. Don't know that it will happen, but I find it all curious.
Forget about Babcock. One of our athletic trainers' finace is really good friends with JVR(both from same town in NJ). He told me that JVR is saying it's more than likely that Babcock is going to end up in Toronto.
To wrap this up, Cam says we're getting a pick from the Oilers in the next 3-years (Oilers choice) as compensation. Not sure if it is a 2 or 3, but it is nice to have.
Yeah, I think Julien is in a good place all things considered, though one would think that at some point the Bruins are going to want to have their guy in place for the season.
When did Chiarelli hire Dave Lewis?
When did Chiarelli hire Dave Lewis?
Lewis was hired on 6/29. Julien was 6/22. There is still time, though I think Lebrun's point about Sweeney being within the organization for the last 8 years is a valid one. They know what Julien's all about, they shouldn't need further evaluation.
My guess is that they have feelers out for someone they are interested in. If they can work out a deal to bring their target on board they'll dismiss Claude. If they can't get the guy they want, they'll ride out Claude for a year and see if he turns it around. It doesn't seem plausible that either he's the 1st choice or that he's gone no matter what. Either of those decisions could have been made the day Sweeney was promoted.
If they made a decision today that would be rushing the decision??The Four Peters said:
They've had ample time to make a decision, they're stringing him along at this point. Make a decision and be done with it. I think it would be healthy for both Julien and the Organization to move on and not let this drag out any longer.
I'd like our new GM to be decisive.
Their decision is probably that Julien is not their first choice but not far down the list. What if their first choice was Scott Arniel, who just now became available? Or Rick Bowness, who's still going? Why rush the decision before the season is even over and they have a chance to interview everyone?
I'd like our new GM to be smart and patient.
I'd like our new GM to be smart and patient.
You think it's good business practice to fuck over the guy that is currently your coach because he's your second or third choice? Not sure I would look favorably at that if I was a marquee coach, but I don't know for sure how much that would play a factor in real life.
Whatever, it's a minor quibble, but it's annoying.
Whatever, it's a minor quibble, but it's annoying.
My point is they're not fucking him over. They're still paying him a lot of money for a lot of years. Waiting until the season is over to fully understand all your options is not bad business at all. If he's your second choice, then yes you absolutely wait to ensure you can't get your first choice before confirming one way or the other. This is all speculation and hypotheticals, of course.
If Claude doesn't like that, he's free to leave his current contract (which I doubt the Bruins would be heartbroken if he did).
If Claude doesn't like that, he's free to leave his current contract (which I doubt the Bruins would be heartbroken if he did).
Maybe not currently fucking him over (we'll agree to disagree on that), but if it drags on for another month, will you still have the same opinion? The argument that they're paying him a lot of money is weak, they offered the contract and he signed it, it's a two way street. Claude's not the one unsure about continuing the relationship. It's not like there is an unlimited pool of talent to pick from in this business, offering a professional courtesy to the guy should be important, especially given the success and professionalism he's established.The Four Peters said:
When does it end? To me, that's the problem.
I'll have the same opinion if they wait until August 15th. He gets paid and he can probably get a TV gig for next season and be first in line for any openings during the 2015-16 season.
98.5 The Sports Hub @985TheSportsHub 13m13 minutes ago
Claude Julien will remain as #NHLBruins HC, staff will remain intact & announcement may come by end of week, per @TonyMassarotti's source.
Claude Julien will remain as #NHLBruins HC, staff will remain intact & announcement may come by end of week, per @TonyMassarotti's source.
Tony Mazz, Bruins Insider?
Edit: If he's right, it seemed like the most likely outcome, though I'm pretty stunned Cam signed off on it. I just hope they don't can him if they start like 5-3-2 or something.
Edit: If he's right, it seemed like the most likely outcome, though I'm pretty stunned Cam signed off on it. I just hope they don't can him if they start like 5-3-2 or something.
I wonder if they reached out for permission on Arniel, were denied, and then decided to move forward with Claude.
Hopefully it gets confirmed and we can move forward with next season. Happy to see Claude staying, hopefully with a mandate to keep progressing his system to be younger, faster, and aggressive without losing the core of what has made them successful.
Hopefully it gets confirmed and we can move forward with next season. Happy to see Claude staying, hopefully with a mandate to keep progressing his system to be younger, faster, and aggressive without losing the core of what has made them successful.
Was Babcock until he left for leafier pastures. Who's after Clode? Q and Tippett?
Edit: Yup. Capuano isn't far behind amazingly enough.
Edit: Yup. Capuano isn't far behind amazingly enough.
Wow, I'd never have guessed this. Really shows the level of turnover league-wide.kenneycb said:
Oh, and fire Clod.
Haggerty's article interviewing Jacobs...
Basically says Chiarelli was fired because he was unwilling to turn over the roster, leaving an old team with ongoing cap struggles.
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/jacobs-chiarelli-firing-right-move-franchise
Basically says Chiarelli was fired because he was unwilling to turn over the roster, leaving an old team with ongoing cap struggles.
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/jacobs-chiarelli-firing-right-move-franchise
Offseason Turnover in 2011 (post Cup, and not including moves to/from Providence)
IN: Corvo(T)/Pouliot(FA)/Zanon(T)
OUT: Ryder(FA)/Kaberle(FA)/Recchi(Ret)
Turnover in 2012
IN: Pandolfo (Seriously, that's about it. There were some in-season moves, but there was not a lot of offseason work at all)
Turnover in 2013
IN: Eriksson(T)/Smith(T)/Meszaros(T)/Iginla(FA)/Chad Johnson(TA)
OUT: Seguin(T)/Ference(FA)/Horton(FA)/Jagr(FA)
Turnover in 2014
IN: Gagne(FA) (does he count?)
OUT: Boychuk(T) Thornton(FA) Iginla(FA)
Turnover in 2015
IN: Rinaldo(T), Hayes(T), Beleskey(FA)
OUT: Dougie(T), Lucic(T), Smith(T), Cambell(FA)
Outside of the GFIN lockout year, Chiarelli did not make such large changes as Sweeney has so far this offseason. Sweeney also has some good Providence talent he should be able to get to challenge for spots in the 20 and 23 man rosters. I think that Sweeney is definitely trying to make this "his" team.
//also, I intentionally did not include Wade Redden
edit: fixed a couple
IN: Corvo(T)/Pouliot(FA)/Zanon(T)
OUT: Ryder(FA)/Kaberle(FA)/Recchi(Ret)
Turnover in 2012
IN: Pandolfo (Seriously, that's about it. There were some in-season moves, but there was not a lot of offseason work at all)
Turnover in 2013
IN: Eriksson(T)/Smith(T)/Meszaros(T)/Iginla(FA)/Chad Johnson(TA)
OUT: Seguin(T)/Ference(FA)/Horton(FA)/Jagr(FA)
Turnover in 2014
IN: Gagne(FA) (does he count?)
OUT: Boychuk(T) Thornton(FA) Iginla(FA)
Turnover in 2015
IN: Rinaldo(T), Hayes(T), Beleskey(FA)
OUT: Dougie(T), Lucic(T), Smith(T), Cambell(FA)
Outside of the GFIN lockout year, Chiarelli did not make such large changes as Sweeney has so far this offseason. Sweeney also has some good Providence talent he should be able to get to challenge for spots in the 20 and 23 man rosters. I think that Sweeney is definitely trying to make this "his" team.
//also, I intentionally did not include Wade Redden
edit: fixed a couple
Minor points of clarification.
2014: Thornton and Iginla were (FA) not (T).
2015: Campbell was (FA) not (T)
2014: Thornton and Iginla were (FA) not (T).
2015: Campbell was (FA) not (T)