I think the Milbury talk would be around him becoming coach, gotta believe his performance as Isles GM closed the book on that possibility forever
Peter Chiarelli fired; Claude and coaching staff stays
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This is sort of how I try to convince people that I'm a demigod.TheRealness said:
EDIT: I loved Milbury when he coached here at first, but I will lose my shit if they hire him now.
Myt1 said:
I can't prove you are NOT a demi-god, so....
And if Millbury is hired, I might have to FedEx some poop to Neely. That would be AWFUL.
The Millbury noise has to be just noise; I cannot imagine a dumber move being made by any NHL franchise.
I was taking Edmonton's last decade into account when I made my assertion. Hiring Millbury in any capacity outside of TV/radio personality will set this franchise back beyond the depths of Edmonton's despair.Chuck Z said:
Chiarelli is meeting with the Oilers brass today. MacTavish is still GM, but perhaps a front office shakeup is in the works?
Chiarelli and Julien in Edmonton would be fasciniating.
Chiarelli and Julien in Edmonton would be fasciniating.
cshea said:
How could they make 4 full lines with all the young guys they'd have to stash on the bench?
McDavid must be salivating over Claude's defensive style. At least Chia will trade him in 2 years.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Agreed. You just have to refer to this webpage for a refresher on how mindbogglingly terrible he really was:lexrageorge said:
http://thehockeywriters.com/top-10-worst-mike-milbury-trades-contracts-and-transactions/
In summary:
10.) Traded Tommy Salo for Mats Lindgren & 8th Round Selection (Radek Martinek)
9.) Traded Brad Isbister & Raffi Torres for Janne Niinimaa
8.) Traded Chris Osgood & 3rd Round Selection (2003) to St. Louis Blues for Justin Papineau and 2nd Round Selection (Jeremy Colliton)
7.) Traded J.P Dumont & 5th Round Selection (1998) for Dmitri Nabokov
6.) Drafted Rick DiPietro with #1 Overall Pick at 2000 NHL Entry Draft
5.) Traded Bryan Berard & 6th Round Selection for Felix Potvin & 6th Round Selection
4.) Traded Bryan McCabe, Todd Bertuzzi, & 3rd Round Selection (Jarko Ruutu) for Trevor Linden
3.) Traded Zdeno Chara, Bill Muckalt, & 1st Round Selection (Jason Spezza) for Alexei Yashin
2.) Signed Alexei Yashin to 10 Year, $90M Contract
1.) Traded Olli Jokinen & Roberto Luongo for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha
What scares me about the Milbury rumor is that he was a finalist for the position when the Bruins hired Julien. Julien was hired 3 months before Neely joined the Bruins front office. Milbury's name creeping up again, with Chiarelli out of the picture, leads me to believe he's a Jacobs guy.
Millbury was a fine coach when he was here - 24 years ago. The league has changed, but from his rantings and ravings on TV it's clear the Millbury has not. It would probably take him about all of 2 months to lose the locker room. I did not realize he was a finalist for the position when Julien was hired.
I caught some of Felger & Mazz on the ride home today and they were talking about Chiarelli and the Oilers and compensation that could be coming to the Bruins. The compensation for executives changing teams is new this year. It applies to GM's, Coaches and team President's. Anyways, news to me was that fired execs were still eligible for compensation if they switched teams. So, if the Oilers choose to hire Chiarelli, the Bruins could demand compensation from the Oilers. Adds an interesting element in here. I suppose the workaround from the Oilers side is to hire Chiarelli and give him some bogus title or something to avoid the compensation. If the Oilers do hire Chiarelli though the Bruins should absolutely demand the compensation. According to Lebrun, it's a 3rd round pick for everyone. So the Bruins could get a 3 for Chiarelli and a 3 for Julien, if they choose to apply for compensation.
This would be like rehiring Barry Melrose after 13 years as a commentator, right? He lasted 16 games.
To add on cshea - per Dom Tiano, if the Oil hire Chiarelli before the draft and the B's pursue compensation, because it'd technically be an in-season hire, it would be a 2nd rounder surrendered by Edmonton.
Interesting, thanks.
I see no reason to not apply for compensation. If I'm understanding things correctly, there's no downside for the Bruins. Edmonton could refuse, thus leaving the Bruins to pay Chiarelli to sit on the couch. Worst comes to worst, the Bruins just waive the compensation and off he goes with the Bruins free of his salary obligations. I'd imagine if Edmonton is desperate enough to land him, which they just might be after the Lowe/MacTavish years, they'd probably pony up the pick.
I wonder if the compensation is negotiable. Like, theoretically, could they package Chiarelli and Julien for one 2nd round pick or something.
I see no reason to not apply for compensation. If I'm understanding things correctly, there's no downside for the Bruins. Edmonton could refuse, thus leaving the Bruins to pay Chiarelli to sit on the couch. Worst comes to worst, the Bruins just waive the compensation and off he goes with the Bruins free of his salary obligations. I'd imagine if Edmonton is desperate enough to land him, which they just might be after the Lowe/MacTavish years, they'd probably pony up the pick.
I wonder if the compensation is negotiable. Like, theoretically, could they package Chiarelli and Julien for one 2nd round pick or something.
Seems like a new rule that they didn't think through completely. It's true though.Eddie Jurak said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/35839/teams-can-seek-draft-pick-compensation-for-fired-coaches-gms-executives
The acquiring team can choose to make good on the pick during a three year window, so there's no need to get overly excited here.
Still better to get a 2nd rounder than a 3rd rounder.
Additionally, there is the chance that the Bruins would not pursue compensation simply to get the remaining salary owed to Chiarelli off their books. As this is not a cap-related expense, it would not surprise me in the least to see the Jacobs family go this route.
Additionally, there is the chance that the Bruins would not pursue compensation simply to get the remaining salary owed to Chiarelli off their books. As this is not a cap-related expense, it would not surprise me in the least to see the Jacobs family go this route.
Can you imagine the scorched Earth campaign if the hiring of Chiarelli fell through due to draft pick compensation? They would go berserk up there.PedroSpecialK said:
Perfect situation for extorting the pick from them. They can't say, "No."
Looks like Chiarelli to Edmonton.PedroSpecialK said:
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/591398272599744512
That's great news, good for him. That's a great roster to start with.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him win a cup in Edmonton at some point with a starting roster like that.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him win a cup in Edmonton at some point with a starting roster like that.
Getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to Chiarelli if he lands the Edmonton job. It makes me wonder if he kind of allowed himself to be fired.
Good for him. Looks like he's going to have full autonomy in Edmonton, and I'd imagine MacTavish is on the way out soon. The Oilers really needed to rid themselves of the old boys club thing they had going on in their front office with Lowe and MacTavish.
I'd imagine Chiarelli attempts to bring Julien with him.
I hope the Bruins attempt to get the draft compensation out of this. Are the Oilers really going to say no and walk away?
I'd imagine Chiarelli attempts to bring Julien with him.
I hope the Bruins attempt to get the draft compensation out of this. Are the Oilers really going to say no and walk away?
Yeah, there was some verbal sparring between the 2 during that last week of the season ("Look at the roster, it's not the same" and "Roster is fine, less talented teams are ahead of us"). Maybe they're working relationship has deteriorated beyond repair, but maybe it hasn't. Maybe they need a fresh start, and the chance at coaching McDavid appeals to Claude and they bury the hatchet (if there even is one to be buried).
I think Julien would be a great coach for Edmonton. It is a young room, and they've burnt through Kruger, Eakins and MacTavish/Nelson in 4 years. They need an experienced, successful NHL coach. Someone that has the resume to command respect in the room amongst the young guys. Kruger and Eakins didn't have that. Julien would. They need major work done in net and along the blue line, but Julien would mold them into a more responsible 2-way team in no time.
I think Julien would be a great coach for Edmonton. It is a young room, and they've burnt through Kruger, Eakins and MacTavish/Nelson in 4 years. They need an experienced, successful NHL coach. Someone that has the resume to command respect in the room amongst the young guys. Kruger and Eakins didn't have that. Julien would. They need major work done in net and along the blue line, but Julien would mold them into a more responsible 2-way team in no time.
Let's all throw out insane trades!
Claude, Subban, Lucic, d-man not named Dougie or Krug, and a salary dump for Hall and Eberle.
Claude, Subban, Lucic, d-man not named Dougie or Krug, and a salary dump for Hall and Eberle.
The Napkin said:
I think Edmonton needs some veteran leadership. How about Kelly and Seidenberg for a couple of 3rd round picks.
cshea said:
Which we then combine with our first round pick, and Lucic, for the Oilers 1st round pick!!!!!!!!!11!!
McKenzie on board as well:
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/591588045813633024
Gotta hope the B's pursue a 2nd rounder
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/591588045813633024
Gotta hope the B's pursue a 2nd rounder
Not pursuing the compensation pick would be dumb, IMO. I understand the Bruins may be content with just having Chiarelli's salary wiped off their books, but there is no downside to asking for a pick. It's not an either/or situation, if I'm understanding the rules correctly. The Bruins could free of Chiarelli's salary AND get a pick, if Edmonton wants Chiarelli so bad. I guess Edmonton could call a bluff and say forget it, but that seems rather unlikely.
It's been so public that Edmonton almost can't afford to say no to a pick in return at this point.
I don't think this would have any real value to the Bruins. The only advantage to moving Savard off the books is that if they can get far enough under the cap they can "bank" cap space to use in deadline deals. Given the Bruins' current cap situation, I don't think freeing themselves from Savard would let them bank much of anything - they will be right at the cap anyway.NYCSox said:
It primarily helps them to be compliant on day 1 when the LTIR moves aren't in effect. That gives them a little more flexibility with keeping players that may have to clear waivers otherwise. I'd obviously rather have the picks.Eddie Jurak said:
Given a smaller than anticipated cap, the Bruins will need all the help they can just to resign Dougie, Spooner and Connelly. And that's assuming all the UFAs, including Soderberg, are let go. So there is a lot to be gained this year and next (Krug, maybe Eriksson and Lucic) by getting Savard's deal off their books.
There has been some chatter about Arizona being interested in Savard. They may have a way out of that.
Lebrun tweets that the B's and Oilers are talking compensation. Chris Carpenter, baby!
Must be a fun phone call.
"Hi, Pete? Cam Neely here. Congrats on the new job. How 'bout you throw us a draft pick since you were under contract with us."
"Uh, Cam, you did fire me, right!?"
Must be a fun phone call.
"Hi, Pete? Cam Neely here. Congrats on the new job. How 'bout you throw us a draft pick since you were under contract with us."
"Uh, Cam, you did fire me, right!?"