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Penn State AD and Sandusky Charged
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Sorry no link, but heard on the radio this morning that preliminary hearings begin next week and that all 8 victims in the Grand Jury Presentment will testify against Sandusky.
He's so fucked that fucked isn't a strong enough word for the fuckage that he is.
He's so fucked that fucked isn't a strong enough word for the fuckage that he is.
They haven't ID'd all 8 as of yet (so they say). They do say they don't know how many to testify yet, though.
Nope, ABC and TMZ have it up. All 8 are going to testify:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-scandal-victims-testify-jerry-sandusky/story?id=15085783#.Tt5QY1apN8E
No, I believe the story is irrelevant to Sandusky. It's old news and the information was never kept secret (from everything I've read). The main stream media investigating, writing and reporting on Paterno's business dealings with Robert Poole doesn't suddenly make it pertinent to the Sandusky.
If anything, it points to the good ol' boy network at Penn State. The same cronyism exists at hundreds of universities and businesses. The ventures weren't worth reporting until everyone from the head coach to the president decided to protect a child molester.
I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if it turns out there is more to Paterno's business ventures as it relates to Sandusky. Until then (as it relates to the article), Paterno is merely a shitty businessman.
No, it points to Paterno being FAR more intimately involved in Second Mile than he has presented himself to be. So if there was a concern/action taken about Sandusky's activities back in 2008 (and there was because they removed the guy -- their #1 fundraiser -- out of his leadership job) by Second Mile, then there's no way Paterno didn't know about that concern and action. It's another indication that Paterno knew full well there were serious and widespread worries and/or info about Sandusky being a pedophile and yet, Paterno in 2011 professes to be surprised to learn of the charges against his buddy and colleague.
Wait, your still arguing whether or not Paterno knew about Sandusky? I thought you were talking about the legitimacy of the business dealings. He didn't need to know Robert Poole or be involved in Second Mile. Paterno told Sandusky he wasn't going to be the next head coach at some point after the 1998 investigation. McQueary told Paterno about the rape in 2002. He testified before the Grand Jury. Of course he knew Sandusky was buggering little boys. Anything to the contrary reeks of willful ignorance.
A 19-year-old has come forward saying Sandusky gave him whiskey and then abused him in the Penn State football building in 2004:
http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/db_272508/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=NPOk3WAP&full=true#display
http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/db_272508/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=NPOk3WAP&full=true#display
No link but I can confirm Sandusky was arrested just now. Two new cases led to this.
Edit: 4 new charges are filed, first degree felonies. Deviate sexual intercourse, ect.
Edit: 4 new charges are filed, first degree felonies. Deviate sexual intercourse, ect.
Awesome, I love it when bad things happen to bad people.
Let's see if the Judge grants a little shitty bail this time around.
Pretty fucking disgusting.
http://enews.attorneygeneral.gov/uploads/Sandusky-Presentment2-12-7-2011.pdf
http://enews.attorneygeneral.gov/uploads/Sandusky-Presentment2-12-7-2011.pdf
The electronic monitor will go off if he tries to leave the house or turns on the Disney Channel.
Apparently, Sandusky has been taken to a Pennsylvania county jail after being unable to post $250k bail in cash. If he posts bail, he will be under house arrest and subject to electronic monitoring.
Not a fucking chance this can be true and, even if he still has supporters there at all, inmates have long been known to have special ways of greeting rapists and kid-touchers. It will never happen, but him being put into gen pop (as MF suggested two posts ago) would be satisfying to many, many people. Sadly, as twisted as this piece of shit is, he'd probably enjoy every second of it.
Something seems slightly wrong to me about celebrating the prison rape culture while ostensibly feeling bad for the boys who were raped.
Then you're an idiot. This guy deserves whatever the other animals in the prison block decide to dish out. The boys are victims, not Sandusky. Go ahead and try to rehabilitate him, I'll send cartons of cigarettes to whoever Dahmer's him. I know I'll sleep well, will you?
There's a state penitentary named Rockview just 10 miles from Beaver Stadium located on Route 64 that would be a nice place for Sandusky. It's an ominous looking concrete building sitting high on a hill. It was the site of the last electric chair execution in Pa. back in 1962. Rockview makes Lewisburg prison (where Jimmy Hoffa spent some time) look like a country club. (Lewisburg is also the home of Bucknell U.)
http://eotd.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/2-april-1962-elmo-smith/
http://eotd.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/2-april-1962-elmo-smith/
Figures. Thirty or forty grand probably wasn't too hard for him to find if he didn't want to post the full $250 himself.
edit - looks like his wife posted bail. Are you not allowed to get a bail bond for a crime of this magnitude?
edit - looks like his wife posted bail. Are you not allowed to get a bail bond for a crime of this magnitude?
After that statement, I truly hope the DA's office finds a way to charge her with a crime. It's one thing to stand by your man, it's another entirely to go public and call the victims liars. Fuck her. Conspiracy to commit child rape has a nice ring to it.
Here is what I don't get, and please don't take this the wrong way or think that I am accusing the accusers or that I am defending Sandusky, because I'm not. But if the newest accuser says that Sandusky attempted to penetrate him on multiple occasions, to the point where he screamed out for help, why did he keep going back to the home? He had to know what was going to happen and it's not like he lived there and had no place else to go.
I understand that some of the boys thought it was some kind of misplaced love for and from him and normal to them, but is it normal for the abused to scream out for help and still want to go back?
I understand that some of the boys thought it was some kind of misplaced love for and from him and normal to them, but is it normal for the abused to scream out for help and still want to go back?
Because they are children and don't know any better. They are being harmed by a trusted adult -- trusted by the entire community, including their own school officials and their parent (s) -- but don't have the intellectual or emotional vocabulary to articulate that they feel violated. Maybe out of fear of being ridiculed, maybe out of shame, maybe out of emotional numbness or self-imposed psychological blackout, they cannot speak up or defy this trusted adult. Or, maybe they just hope he won't do it again or someone will step in and stop the raping.
For what it's worth, "prison rape culture" was ended quite some time ago and is pretty uncommon now for a number of reasons. As to the reasons it is so strongly embraced in our cultural lore beyond its actually prevalence? Couldn't tell ya'.
I'm with DotB on the possibility that Mrs. Sandusky's defense of her husband could open her to conspiracy charges or something. I tend to be sympathetic to people in screwed up situations and how the psychic defense mechanisms kick in (battered partner syndrome, etc.) but there has to be a point when you a person's inability/refusal to be strong us something they can be held responsible for.
Question: Does Sandusky's lawyer plan ever to practice in Pennsylvania again? Is there any chance he gets another plea deal from the state for any client ever?
What the hell is this mess? I have no interest in Sandusky being anywhere other than prison for the rest of his life. If you sleep well at night after advocating rape as a weapon, maybe you're a little less suited to life in america than as say the overseer for a blood diamond mine.
i just don´t get it how sanduskys wife obviously has decided to side with the family rapist.
there is at least 1 family member who has brought charges against her husband,and she´s calling that guy a "liar". there were a couple of kids in the sandusky´s adopted family, for many years. i hope they were spared.as in "hope".
all i wonder:
is it really "till death do us part", or is there a responsibility, before humanity, that should make you break your vow towards your significant other/spouse?
i´m not married,but i´d like to hear your take. i just wonder.
there is at least 1 family member who has brought charges against her husband,and she´s calling that guy a "liar". there were a couple of kids in the sandusky´s adopted family, for many years. i hope they were spared.as in "hope".
all i wonder:
is it really "till death do us part", or is there a responsibility, before humanity, that should make you break your vow towards your significant other/spouse?
i´m not married,but i´d like to hear your take. i just wonder.
What do you mean by "pretty uncommon," how long is "some time ago," and what are the number of reasons? Congress didn't agree that it was uncommon in 2003 when it passed the Prison Rape Elimination Act, and the results of the latest DOJ survey say that about 4.5% of prison inmates had been sexually assaulted in the last year (though admittedly about half that for male inmate-on-inmate rape). And there are obvious sampling issues that would make it fair to assume the DOJ's estimates are low.
Inmate advocacy groups will tell you prison rape endemic; prison officials and at least one study will tell you it's a media-concocted myth; I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Hey Nittany Lions alums, those JoePa sweats and tees are about to become collectors items.
PSU cuts all ties to licensing Paterno's name, likeness and image
PSU cuts all ties to licensing Paterno's name, likeness and image
Paterno never kept a dime from his cut on this stuff but I bet the school kept its share of the profits.
http://pennstate.scout.com/2/1137436.html
Yeah, I did a crappy job there--mostly, I gutted a post because I felt it was unnecessarily provocative and ended up leaving something pretty mediocre.
What I meant to address was the persistent invoking of the notion that prison rape is a persistent and common form of "frontier justice" meted out against the villainous even by prison standards.
You raise a good point that I didn't include any standard by which to claim it is common or uncommon. Obviously, sexual assault is more common in prisons than out. And yeah, I consider it a problem whereas some do not. But what I intended--and I agree, failed--to get across was both the trends and the larger social dynamics. By "some time ago" I meant since when it was discovered that prisoners might have human rights, or, at least, civil rights, and courts became more willing to hear grievances brought by prisoners (20-30 years ago? When was Farmer v. Brennan? I'm fuzzy...). Also, there has been a significant trend in the numbers (flawed as they probably are, as you point out) suggesting that prison sexual assault has gone down among male inmates while it has increased among female inmates; this would be relevant to what I was thinking about in that it is generally males who invoke the whole "Have fun in pound me in the ass prison!" thing.
While I admit I did a poor job expressing it, what I wanted to convey that commonplace discretionary punishment of male inmates through disciplinary ass rape has declined, if it ever even existed. Prison rape is almost always* about the predators preying upon the weak and susceptible and not about justice--just like everywhere else that sexual assault occurs, as often as not against people whom few would claim deserve it.
Frankly, I think it's much more likely that Sandusky gets beaten to death with a broom handle.
*I have heard and seen credible anecdotal accounts of punitive prison rape, but such incidences seem to be the exception and not the norm.
A new version of what Mike McQueary saw in 2002 has come to light:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/another_version_of_mike_mcquea.html
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/another_version_of_mike_mcquea.html
Now we're getting into "my cousin's brother's best friend from summer camp whose girlfriend works at 31 Flavors" territory. How convenient that the father's buddy hears a story that neatly lines up with an outcome of exculpating Paterno. Because McQueary tells the grand jury a far more detailed and specific version of what he saw rather than the "truth" because he likes stories...
Um...
This isn't allegedly some ex post facto revision. And it was allegedly made under oath, before a Grand Jury. Long before anybody knew what the consequences were to Paterno.
Sorry it doesn't fit in with your final verdict based on incomplete evidence.
You realize that testimony from someone who hears about an event is not the same as testimony from someone who witnesses an event? And that the grand jury found McQueary's detailed testimony -- in it's own words -- "very credible?"
Sure, pertaining to Sandusky's activities. However, when it comes to Curley and Schultz, the entire case is based on what they were told by Mike McQueary. An individual who listened to McQueary's first story about what happened (one who is not alleged to have had any affiliation with the university, and no apparent motive to perjure himself) testifies to the very nature of the accusations against Curley and Schultz and their defense: that they were not fully informed of what McQueary witnessed. This is fundamental, not hearsay. Nobody knows the full extent of the prosecution's case against the two administrators, but this has to cast at least a little doubt on their charge.
I think Jerry Sandusky is most likely guilty, and should it come out that Penn State administrators actually did attempt to willfully conceal his activities, I hope they get the longest jail sentence possible. But every single strident call to string everybody up was based on a daisy chain of assumptions without all available facts, and fueled by legitimate outrage at the deplorable nature of the allegations. This leak reveals that there are things we do not yet know about this case, and that withholding judgment is not only legally necessary, but cognitively prudent.
Ok, we're talking about 2 different things. I wasn't commenting on what school officials knew or didn't know. I was referring to the notion that McQueary might not have been sure he saw/suspected that a child was being raped in the showers.
Although I quibble with your own assumption that a guy who lived in that town but didn't work directly for the school is cleared of any potential rooting bias in favor of PSU or it's top administrators. It's a real small, company town. Perhaps the doctor knows the administrators socially -- we don't know yet.
This is an observation of fact that makes no assumptions about his legitimacy going forward. Suspicion held right now in lieu of evidence is a mighty large chasm to cross.
You are right that we don't know yet.
All these injuries to Paterno. Elaborate descriptions, even some film that apparently shows Paterno getting hit on the sidelines in the past.
I wish Penn State would admit it has a problem, and Mrs. Paterno is beating the shit out of Joe on a regular basis.
I wish Penn State would admit it has a problem, and Mrs. Paterno is beating the shit out of Joe on a regular basis.