I dropped that in some texts to some PSU fans I know...got a variety of reponses...classic, nice job.
Penn State AD and Sandusky Charged
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PSU has hired former FBI director Louis Freeh to lead the independent investigation promised by the BOT.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-independent-investigation-jerry-sandusky-sex-abuse-charges/1
Can we assume independence considering he was hired by the University?
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-independent-investigation-jerry-sandusky-sex-abuse-charges/1
Can we assume independence considering he was hired by the University?
The Faculty Senate is pushing to hire their own investigators, making sure they have no ties whatsoever to the university.
Hard to say. It'll be interesting to see what Freeh's report uncovers vs. the other investigations. At this point, with all of the various entities getting involved in these inquiries, I think the hiring of Freeh is more of a good public relations move than anything.
Could be, but on the other hand, sometimes when things get bad enough, public relations means actually having to do the right thing.
He was an AUSA too, and looking over his history, he's offered to work pro bono on stuff in the past and is the legal rep for some Saudi prince, so I don't see PSU buying him off and there's reason to believe he's got a serious independent streak.
FBI takes crimes against children pretty seriously, so here's to hoping we not gonna need some more FBI guys.
does OSU stand for Ohio State University?
Is this sentiment of a cult-like atmosphere not true of every major college/professional sport?
I saw that last night and it really depressed me... I hope they're able to convince that kid (and all the others) that outside if their little crazy-town, the rest of the country fully supports them
I wonder if it's worth sending a letter or something via the psychologist
University boards would be wise to cap large program head coach tenures at around 20 years, imo. Just an idea.
Not to state the obvious, but what a nightmare the past couple of weeks have been for some of these victims. They have to listen to the perp on national television call them liars, essentially, and watch people in their community fall all over themselves to defend Paterno to the point that some moronic kids think it's OK to blame the victims for his firing. Not to mention Sandusky is still free to walk around.
The victims who have come forward are tremendously brave.
Have you been to PSU or know anyone that did? I just would like to know if you know this from personal experience or based solely on media reports.
How did you feel about Eddie Sutton? Did you say he should die after his DUI? Or were your feelings conflicted?
Does everyone truly think that football players are treated the exact same as every other student in any D1 college? If PSU fans can be considered a cult..then so can every major University football program with any kind of a following... did anyone see the 30 for 30 regarding Auburn/Alabama?
If Sandusky had merely stuck his weenus in a 10 year old tree on campus, this thread would not exist.
Really? You're going with the "Everyone does it" defense? And you say you graduated from college?
I don't think the point was that everyone does it so much as that the culture that allowed this to happen exists in a lot of places.
Not this. There's a culture that allows for retarded behavior to happen. A DUI (with Sutton) and allowing a predator to roam free are two completely different things, and comparing the behavior of an individual rabid fan (The Auburn Trees) to the expectation of your coach is equally stupid. Or do you mean to tell me that if, say, a random Penn State fan had kept quiet about kiddie rape, you'd all be equally defending him?
Also, Eddie Sutton was pressured to resign after the DUI, and no one protested, let alone rioted.
Who's defending Penn State? I'm not. I'm saying that the circumstances that allowed for Sandusky to escape capture for so many years are not unique to Penn State.
Yes, so, so many NCAA football programs are the subject of concentric federal and state investigations and have top officials and coaches indicted and/or fired for their role in a massive cover up of a serial pedophile. Happens all the time.
This story about the mom of Victim 1's ordeal that led to her removing her kid from that high school for outing Sandusky is chilling.
Jesus.
This story about the mom of Victim 1's ordeal that led to her removing her kid from that high school for outing Sandusky is chilling.
Jesus.
This might be - when taking all available information into account - the stupidest fucking thing anyone has ever typed.
It is sobering how many people at all levels were willing to ignore -- no, pressing others to ignore -- child abuse for the sake of football. The high school had to be dragged kicking and screaming into calling the police.
They might not be exactly unique to Penn State, but I think you're radically, radically overestimating how many universities would handle this the way Penn State did.
If by "sobering", you mean "disgraceful on a level that is puke-inducing," then yeah, I agree.
fair enough.
I was partially unclear... To be clear. I'm not condoning what PSU did in this coverup. I'm angered that this happened and in shock that it happened at my school.
1. In my previous post I was referring to the article that said that Joe had been in fights with the disciplinary committee because he asked that football players not be disciplined for certain things. It is my belief that this happens in every football program vs. university scenario. To paint Joe as being unique in this was what I thought was unfair. I was not intending to refer to this Sandusky scandal in that.
2. The guy from OSU had said he though Joe should die. I personally wouldn't wish this on any human being regardless of their crime. I thought it was harsh. I was wondering if he thought the same regarding his longtime coach who hit another car at 60mph while driving under the influence. This article talks about what happened at that time http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/11314310/ . Students held up signs at the next game in a similar fashion to some of the students at PSU. Eddie took medical leave and was not fired, but allowed to resign and in fact was hired to coach again.
3. I object to people referring to PSU and their alumni as some sort of cult. It's a characterization that I think is unfairly bestowed on us and the people that I know who went to this school. I don't think it's an aspersion that is especially fairly applied if you have never been to the school or know anyone that did.
My Aunt who lives just outside of state college has said that the atmosphere around the university is far different than the one that's being described here. I don't think anyone there is taking this lightly and I don't believe (and actually know) that the riots are indicative of everyone's feelings. Yes there was a riot... which was covered extensively.. but thousands more showed up for a candlelight vigil the next day...which received far less coverage and is given no thought...since it's much easier to say that the 1000 or so rioters reflect all 65,000 PSU students. I think it's a lazy characterization.
The reason I brought up the Auburn Alabama 30 for 30 was not to compare the situations at all.. my apologies for assuming this was obvious... I brought it up to show that there are many college programs that are surrounded by an insular culture of crazy fans (not indicative of the entire university, it's alumni or all of its fans) and I think that it's naive to think that crimes haven't been covered up by other universities. Obviously not to this level (or at least I hope), but to say that PSU is some sort of cult or is unique in having a rabid fanbase is unfair in my eyes.
I hate that these people represent my school now. That a few people have come to represent all of what Penn State stands for.
Having an unfortunate name....
http://www.esquire.com/the-side/qa/gerry-sandusky-interview-6574227#ixzz1eSg8krx2
http://www.esquire.com/the-side/qa/gerry-sandusky-interview-6574227#ixzz1eSg8krx2
Yesterday, it was reported that there are two new cases of alleged abuse.
Today, Sandusky's lawyer revealed that one of them is from a family member.
Today, Sandusky's lawyer revealed that one of them is from a family member.
That poor kid, not even safe when he was in class, Sandusky was able to get at him anytime he wanted and take him out unsupervised.
Also a story in the NYT about victim one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/sports/ncaafootball/for-victim-1-in-penn-states-sandusky-scandal-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=1&ref=ncaafootball
Edit: Criticism from the Patriot News, which has done a great job covering everything, of the NYT story, saying it makes the victim easily identifiable:
http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/pm_29239/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=l1MHBFJC
Penn Live story on SFS's note that one of the new alleged victims is a family member: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/attorney_jerry_sandusky_family.html
First, no way he should be out on bail. The failure of the justice system on this is appalling.
Second, read this. I'm not sure it definitively answers your second question but it is worth considering.
A civil lawsuit has been filed against Sandusky by a victim that he met through The Second Mile and molested more than 100 times between 1992 and 1996, some of them on PSU grounds. This victim is not one of the eight listed in the grand jury report.
The assaults charged in lawsuit are the earliest yet in the timeline.
Penn State may need to save their money...can you find a buyer for college buildings? Doubtful you can turn a library into a Greek church...the Catholics had it easy...
Is this analysis?
Judging from the results of a Google search, it seems PSU won't be protected by sovereign immunity, though the question evidently doesn't have a clear-cut answer.
I'm eager to find out what PSU's insurance posture is, but I suspect we won't know for some time.
I think PSU may actually have robust defenses to liability, but there are compelling PR reasons to settle anyway.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45533539/ns/sports-the_new_york_times/
This guy is twisted - and I am amazed his attorney is letting him talk like this. It's like he's more concerned with PR and his reputation than going to jail forever.
This guy is twisted - and I am amazed his attorney is letting him talk like this. It's like he's more concerned with PR and his reputation than going to jail forever.
In Harrisburg, that's the thought. His lawyer is on TV pretty much every day saying the kids still talk to Sandusky, call him often, are all still friends.
My judge friend thinks its a smokescreen to keep him out of jail for the time being, keep delaying the hearing and limit the number of new accusations.
His lawyer has pissed off pretty much all the state AG office, I do know that.
My judge friend thinks its a smokescreen to keep him out of jail for the time being, keep delaying the hearing and limit the number of new accusations.
His lawyer has pissed off pretty much all the state AG office, I do know that.
Not knowing the situation, this is what I guessed Sandusky's motive was. Knowing your abuser is willing to call you a liar publicly will deter some victims from coming forward.
I believe this goes beyond a defense attorney's obligation to provide zealous advocacy for his client, so I don't fault the AG's office for thinking he's scum.
Looks like Paterno's whole Mr. Magoo routine is springing some leaks...
From ESPN.com:
Paterno and charities
From ESPN.com:
Paterno and charities