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Just a reminder that the Braves lost in the Division round this year. Extending all your young guys doesn't guarantee anything more than playoff relevance.
Well, imagine extending the young guys and then going all in for some Free Agent stars. If they loosen the purse strings in Baltimore that team could be the top team in the AL East for several years.

Which is yet another reason why the Sox should be aggressive right now since Baltimore will be looking for top-line pitchers moving forward, complicating any hopes of going full throttle next off-season.
 

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The Orioles news makes me somewhat less skeptical about the idea they're on the verge of selling the team. If the O's and Camden can get 1.7, imagine what the Sox + Fenway + goosed up real estate can fetch. On the other hand, if a sale is in the offing, then it's not clear why they'd need to be tight-fisted about cash to fund the real estate development (as McCaffrey speculated about recently)--surely lenders would be happy to support the real estate development in advance of a sale. The more I think about it, the more the NBA Vegas team seems like a reasonable explanation. That will be an enormously expensive purchase, and while JH and co are rich, they aren't Steve Ballmer rich (Henry isn't even Matt Ishiba rich). They'll need lots of cash.
They are also involved in this deal with the PGA.

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/39425226/mcilroy-liv-defectors-penalized-tour-return
 

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Rangers beat reporter Evan Grant in the Dallas Morning News (excerpted) with another cold water piece on a Montgomery signing, FWIW.

What's the latest on Jordan Montgomery? Pitcher's chance for Rangers reunion remains fuzzy

Sure, reports are that Montgomery would love to return to Texas. Who wouldn’t want to return to a world champ? Where there is no state income tax? And pitch in beautiful, air-conditioned splendor?
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Sure, the TV mess with the parent company of Bally Sports Southwest is going to eventually be resolved. The Rangers will probably get less money than they contracted for, but it appears less and less likely that they will walk away empty-handed.

If anything, the deals done last week only make the situation — what’s the word we used earlier? — um, fuzzier. More fuzzy?

On one hand, the Rangers unlocked a door that might create a pathway to a creative deal with agent Scott Boras for Montgomery. They deferred some money in the Robertson deal, a tactic owner Ray Davis has been reluctant to use. It’s only a $5 million deferral, but it’s the principle that matters. Deferred money is once again in vogue thanks to Shohei Ohtani deferring $68 million annually as part of his deal with the Dodgers.

Don’t want to pay Montgomery $25 million a year for five years? No problem. Just put half of it off a decade or so. Let it be somebody else’s issue. It’s a tool for digging around in the free agent garden. Not sure it’s a great tool, but a tool, nonetheless.

Well, let’s also account for the other hand: the competitive balance tax, or CBT. If there is one thing that galls owners more than paying real players market rates, it’s paying tax, too. They paid a tax last year. They will pay one again this year. And if the Rangers sign Montgomery, they are going to pay a tax on a tax. The Robertson and Jankowski deals push the Rangers’ payroll for CBT purposes to more than $240 million.

Which means their tax bracket is going up. As a first-time taxpayer last year, they paid 20% on their overage, which came out to about $2 million. The tax works on what amounts to a three-year cycle, and it gets heavier with each year. This year, they will pay 30% on their overage, but only on the first $20 million by which they exceed the threshold. Go higher than that and there is a surtax. It goes up by another 12.5% to 42.5% with an overage between $20 million to $40 million. Go more than $40 million above: It’s 75%. And your top draft pick gets moved back 10 spots. Don’t ask what happens at $60 million.

It also means the Rangers would be in position to have to pay a minimum of 50% tax on anything above $241 million (next year’s threshold) in 2025. The tax rates would remain at 50% or higher until such time the Rangers brought their payroll under the threshold.

The good news for Davis: The Rangers are currently only on the hook for $140 million in 2025. But, then again, they also only have four experienced starting pitchers under control for 2025, too. They could be back here again. Which brings us back to our main point. No, it’s not: When is the Montgomery presser? But rather: When is the club going to develop some starting pitching?

If you could nitpick a world championship season, it would be that the Rangers didn’t advance any of their high-profile starters to a position where they could be counted on for 2024. Oh, they think they’ll have guys ready by next year. But it’s the same spot in which the team found itself a year ago. And years before that, too.

General manager Chris Young is persuasive. Scott Boras is creative. And, most importantly, Montgomery remains unsigned. Signing him might well solve the remaining roster issue for 2024, but it doesn’t address the lingering long-term issue.
Most interesting things here imo are that A) he seems to be hearing a 5/$125M range for Montgomery and B) Rangers' owner Ray Davis is pretty averse to paying CBT tax in their current situation.
 

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Rangers beat reporter Evan Grant in the Dallas Morning News (excerpted) with another cold water piece on a Montgomery signing, FWIW.



Most interesting things here imo are that A) he seems to be hearing a 5/$125M range for Montgomery and B) Rangers' owner Ray Davis is pretty averse to paying CBT tax in their current situation.
If 5/$125 is all it would take to sign him, I'm shocked he hasn't signed yet.
 

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They wouldn’t be developing all of that real estate around the ballpark if they were planning to sell.

If you wanted to try to sell me on the construction money coming out of the player payroll budget I might listen, I think it’s unlikely that’s what this is, but I would think it’s at least feasible.

But they’re not selling the team IMO. I think the “compete while rebuilding” approach didn’t work with Bloom, so now they’re trying the “tear it down rebuild” with Breslow, which has the side benefit of keeping the dividend money rolling in for Redbird and the other partners until they get in a position to compete again. People will still go to the games. Fenway is a destination for tourists or locals that fe like sitting outside and drinking beer in the summer. NESN ratings will suck but that’s a losing business model right now anyway.

They want to be the Astros or Braves. Problem is you’re just as likely to be one of the other 10 teams trying to bottom out and you spin your wheels for the next 5 years.
Tear down what? Bloom already tore everything down. There is nothing to sell anymore worth anything. I don't think Devers with his contract has massive value. Outside of Devers everything the Red Sox have right now is either: On a one year contract (Jansen, Martin, Pivetta, Giolito, O'Neill), couldn't be given away (Story, Yoshida, Whitlock), or a cost controlled piece (Prospects, Grissom, Bello, Casas, Duran, etc). You hope that the one year contracts do well enough to extract maximum value at the deadline but that is pretty much it for asset collection phase. The Red Sox need to be aggressive in the rebuild phase which this offseason is going to be D+ (outside of Grissom it would be a solid F-). They really didn't get enough value out of the assets they sold and they are not in a position right now to do anything other than languish for another five years with a possible run to the playoff mixed in with futile baseball.
 

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Paxton to LAD officially. Would have liked him back at the right price, I think he still has gas left in the tank.
 

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But Henry hasn’t said boo in years. I have no idea what he’s thinking and can only read the tea leaves. Sometimes we’re wrong but it would be nice if he explained his view of the club and how it’s being run.
I don't think he can, without dissing the players he regrets signing for too long or too much money. I think he's in the "once bitten" stage, except it's at least thrice bitten at this point.
 

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If 5/$125 is all it would take to sign him, I'm shocked he hasn't signed yet.
Maybe he's willing to take that deal with the Rangers, but would want a lot more from anyone else. The Rangers don't currently have the cash and nobody else thinks he's worth anything more than that.
 

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Really? The 2023 Red Sox were the second worst defensive team of the statcast era. Since the season concluded they traded their best defensive player from last year and acquired a second baseman who is questionable in the field. Unless I’m missing something, the team’s only acquisition that could potentially be seen as a plus for the defense (O’Neil) has only had as many as 500 plate appearances once in his 6 year career (Verdugo had 600 last year), so it’s unlikely that his acquisition even makes up for the loss of Dugie.
I think you could make the argument that the biggest thing they have done to improve the defense just happened - when they let Turner sign elsewhere. And that’s not because Turner isn’t a good 3b or 1b anymore, it’s because if they signed him he’d get the majority of his ABs at DH and that means the team’s collection of subpar fielders would have gotten lot time in the field. Assuming they don’t sign a different dedicated DH that’s an upgrade.
I don't think we know much about Grissom's D yet but we've heard positive remarks from both Ron Washington and Story, so my gut feeling is I'm happy to have him out there for a full season over what we got from Valdez/Urias (it's hard to go anywhere but up from the worst 2B defense in baseball). We've replaced Kiké's yips with Story, who came back to SS looking like a top 3 defensive player at any position and I think will have a stabilizing effect across the infield. I thought Casas showed improvement throughout the year, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Yoshida showed a better grasp of playing the monster in year two.

Verdugo is definitely a loss, but O'Neill is good out there, Abreu seemed solid and I think there's a decent chance of significant innings from Rafaela.

I'm not saying I expect greatness, but it's definitely not a primary area of concern for me like hitting baseballs and having 5 starting pitchers is.
 

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Tear down what? Bloom already tore everything down. There is nothing to sell anymore worth anything. I don't think Devers with his contract has massive value. Outside of Devers everything the Red Sox have right now is either: On a one year contract (Jansen, Martin, Pivetta, Giolito, O'Neill), couldn't be given away (Story, Yoshida, Whitlock), or a cost controlled piece (Prospects, Grissom, Bello, Casas, Duran, etc). You hope that the one year contracts do well enough to extract maximum value at the deadline but that is pretty much it for asset collection phase. The Red Sox need to be aggressive in the rebuild phase which this offseason is going to be D+ (outside of Grissom it would be a solid F-). They really didn't get enough value out of the assets they sold and they are not in a position right now to do anything other than languish for another five years with a possible run to the playoff mixed in with futile baseball.
Maybe I should have said “keep it torn down”. My point is, they’re not going to spend money at this point to add a few wins here or there when the upside is maybe being competitive in September. They seem content to languish for the next few years with bad teams and build it up that way, instead of spending Redbird’s dividends on a couple of guys that might push them to fourth place in 2024. It sucks for fans, but that’s what they seem to be doing.
 

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But his overall point is that this Red Sox offseason is somehow worse than last years. Do you agree or disagree with that?

I’m not sure have to be Peter Gammons to come to that conclusion.
As someone who generally likes Simmons (or at least I really did on the BSG and Page2 days, I don't have a Ringer subscription), I disagree with the assertion that this off-season is worse than last off-season (and I don't think Simmons even said that, or at least not in the tweet).

Last year's off-season, the way it turned out, made no sense to me whatsoever. The Devers contract I applauded - still do, and I'd sign him to the exact same deal today. Yoshida I understood, though it turned out to be a pretty massive over-pay. I liked the Jansen signing but thought there would be more coming. However, the only things I truly liked about last off-season from a long term perspective were the Devers deal and at a certain level that Yoshida signing (yeah, at the time I was foolish enough to think they'd be able to trade some of their OF pieces). I also don't like spending on the non-closer bullpen if you're going to have any manner of budget, and have stated that on many occasions.

Sure, they did "more" to ostensibly improve the 2023 team, but it wasn't enough and that was incredibly obviously at the time -and they didn't help the 2025+ core in any way (and I said that at the time, and predicted as such with a 79 win prediction, so this isn't revisionist history, it's exactly how I felt at the time and still feel, with the benefit of hindsight and the season of data).

This year they've made three really good moves in my opinion (1 yr of Verdugo for Fitts +, 1 yr of Sale for Grissom, trading for arms in the pen that cost nothing rather than wasting a percentage of the budget there). If I were "ranking" the moves that I actually liked from the past two off-seasons they'd be 1) Devers extension; 2) Grissom deal; 3) Fitts deal; 4) Campbell deal; 5) Yoshida deal; 6) Jansen deal.

So the way I look at it is last off-season they made a move I really liked and a move I understood at the time; this year they've made 3 deals that aren't as impactful as the #1 from last year but are all better than the Yoshida signing (or at least make more sense, we obviously can't say if they'll end up better).




I'm possibly alone on this one, but I think at least to this point, this off-season has been better than last off-season. Again, i agree this off-season hasn't been great, but I think it's been better than last off-season. Though that is an incredibly low bar to clear and basically the definition of damning with faint praise.
 
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Hard to see a strategy at this point in either the short or long term. You can point to Anthony et al but the Red Sox pipeline really isn't any significantly better than the other teams in or division, and in one case is not close (Orioles). Outside of Breslow having a super power of fixing pitching, the current team is not a playoff team unless it gets lucky (which may happen). We acquired some prospects in the Verdugo trade and I like Grissom but there is not detectable commitment to filling the minor league pipeline at the expect of the current team.

So the offseason is not over, but the Red Sox have not done what Breslow said he was going to do. By the words out of his own mouth this offseason is a failure.

But it isn't over so maybe...
 

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It's going to be a blast in here when Money signs elsewhere for 3/78 and the Sox weren't in on it.
I mean, if that happens, that's the confirmation I'm looking for as far as lack of financial commitment goes. A lot of people are already there, but to me the passes they've taken so far all make sense. Letting Montgomery sign elsewhere without blowing away the number above and even adding a year would be malpractice as far as I'm concerned.

That 5/125 number thrown around above is also not equal everywhere, as the DMN article pointed out. Texas has no state income tax, and there was even talk of deferrals, which that organization has been reluctant to do in the past. Boston, or anyone, would have to go significantly higher for Montgomery to pocket the same dollars.

I'm also not sure that I would pull the trigger on a 5-year deal at this point, though I probably would give in if it were structured in a reasonable way. If I were Breslow I'd put something like 4/110 on the table and see if there's a nibble.
 

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If 5/$125 is all it would take to sign him, I'm shocked he hasn't signed yet.
5/125 may just be Grant's guesstimate of what he ends up getting. He's probably not signed yet because Boras is still holding out for more.

I'd be very surprised if he goes for as low as 3/78 (not sure if that was serious). He'll probably end up with at least 4 years guaranteed, maybe even 5 or 6, depending on the AAV.
 

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Maybe I should have said “keep it torn down”. My point is, they’re not going to spend money at this point to add a few wins here or there when the upside is maybe being competitive in September. They seem content to languish for the next few years with bad teams and build it up that way, instead of spending Redbird’s dividends on a couple of guys that might push them to fourth place in 2024. It sucks for fans, but that’s what they seem to be doing.
Oh yea that makes sense.

I want to be clear Breslow did a fabulous job getting value for Verdugo and Sale but I wouldn't call either part of a tear down. That said it speaks volumes that a piece from the beginning of rebuild is already being traded away on a walk year during the continued rebuild (that means you done f*&^d up).
 

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I’d love to see us get him for 5/125-130. He’ll be around when the kids come up and as Bello improves. Maybe he can get a ring with us.
 

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Maybe he's willing to take that deal with the Rangers, but would want a lot more from anyone else. The Rangers don't currently have the cash and nobody else thinks he's worth anything more than that.
That's my take. The Rangers offer is capped out at 5/125 and Boras is still shopping him around. I hope and think the Sox will still beat that out.
And just to toss some cold water onto that cold water.... after 15 years in Texas I can confirm that this place fucking sucks and Dallas is the shittiest out of the bigger cities!*

*Yeah I know I know I know..... I'm just in a pissy state about this state
 

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That's my take. The Rangers offer is capped out at 5/125 and Boras is still shopping him around. I hope and think the Sox will still beat that out.
And just to toss some cold water onto that cold water.... after 15 years in Texas I can confirm that this place fucking sucks and Dallas is the shittiest out of the bigger cities!*

*Yeah I know I know I know..... I'm just in a pissy state about this state

No no, Dallas is a Metropolitan Hellscape. It is amazing how people from Texas don't realize what a horrendous city Dallas is. It is definitely the worst Major Sports city I have been to. San Francisco is still better than Dallas by leaps and miles
 

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That's my take. The Rangers offer is capped out at 5/125 and Boras is still shopping him around. I hope and think the Sox will still beat that out.
And just to toss some cold water onto that cold water.... after 15 years in Texas I can confirm that this place fucking sucks and Dallas is the shittiest out of the bigger cities!*

*Yeah I know I know I know..... I'm just in a pissy state about this state
You think Dallas is worse than Houston? I've always thought Dallas was better

*And yes, I also hope that the Red Sox beat 5/125
 

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I mean, if that happens, that's the confirmation I'm looking for as far as lack of financial commitment goes. A lot of people are already there, but to me the passes they've taken so far all make sense. Letting Montgomery sign elsewhere without blowing away the number above and even adding a year would be malpractice as far as I'm concerned.

That 5/125 number thrown around above is also not equal everywhere, as the DMN article pointed out. Texas has no state income tax, and there was even talk of deferrals, which that organization has been reluctant to do in the past. Boston, or anyone, would have to go significantly higher for Montgomery to pocket the same dollars.

I'm also not sure that I would pull the trigger on a 5-year deal at this point, though I probably would give in if it were structured in a reasonable way. If I were Breslow I'd put something like 4/110 on the table and see if there's a nibble.
I think in any other year, something like 4/$110-125 for Montgomery would strike people as more than fair, or high, even.

Looking at his age 28-30 seasons, his comparables by K%, BB%, xFIP/SIERA and handedness in the last decade-plus are guys like Gio Gonzalez, Wandy Rodriguez, C.J. Wilson, Jaime Garcia, Matthew Boyd, Cliff Lee, Robbie Ray, Patrick Corbin, Sean Manaea, Wei-Yin Chen, Eduardo Rodriguez and Francisco Liriano. Some variation there of course, and there are differences in pitching styles between the eras. Most of these guys fell off pretty hard in their early thirties.

The next tier above this is guys like Jon Lester, Cole Hamels, Johan Santana, Scott Kazmir, James Paxton and C.C. Sabathia come into play (Monty and Sabathia are both 6'6"). The hit rate for effectiveness into the mid-thirties is not particularly strong among those guys either.

The irony here is that the Red Sox employed two of the three very best LHSP (excluding Kershaw) of the modern era by this metric (age 28-30 underlying metrics), and it did not work out.
 

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IMO, a pillow deal does nothing for the team. It's pretty much a one year lottery ticket with the prize being a WC birth. That's not nothing, but I can't see the team spending $25M+ for one year to unless they were in GFIN mode.
Pillow contracts are exactly what this team should be doing, given the capacity to spend short term but unease with long commitments.
 

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I think in any other year, something like 4/$110-125 for Montgomery would strike people as more than fair, or high, even.

Looking at his age 28-30 seasons, his comparables by K%, BB%, xFIP/SIERA and handedness in the last decade-plus are guys like Gio Gonzalez, Wandy Rodriguez, C.J. Wilson, Jaime Garcia, Matthew Boyd, Cliff Lee, Robbie Ray, Patrick Corbin, Sean Manaea, Wei-Yin Chen, Eduardo Rodriguez and Francisco Liriano. Some variation there of course, and there are differences in pitching styles between the eras. Most of these guys fell off pretty hard in their early thirties.

The next tier above this is guys like Jon Lester, Cole Hamels, Johan Santana, Scott Kazmir, James Paxton and C.C. Sabathia come into play (Monty and Sabathia are both 6'6"). The hit rate for effectiveness into the mid-thirties is not particularly strong among those guys either.

The irony here is that the Red Sox employed two of the three very best LHSP (excluding Kershaw) of the modern era by this metric (age 28-30 underlying metrics), and it did not work out.
And of course the guy that they chose not to bet on / extend themselves for went on to be very valuable for 5 of those seasons, up through age 35.

I don't think Monty is as good as Lester, to be clear, but I think he'd continue to be a valuable pitcher for the next 5 or so seasons, and since the Red Sox starting rotation (in the majors and in the pipeline) is somewhere between non existent and atrocious, not signing him to provide stability is an incredibly large mistake.
 

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Pillow contracts are exactly what this team should be doing, given the capacity to spend short term but unease with long commitments.
Generally speaking I agree. In this particular instance, I don't. I don't see much advantage to the team in this particular season. I think a four year deal max with what might be a slight over pay would be better. If you're only bringing him in for a year you're likely doing it just to try to appease the fan base.
 

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I enjoyed the season JT had and would have been happy to have him back at the right price, but the bit by Cotillo about him being one of the best one-year Sox is a bit hyperbolic. That makes him sound more like Beltre in 2010 or Nick Esasky in 1989, when he was really more like Cody Ross in 2012 (even with nearly identical bWAR and OPS+). (*I think there was a thread last year or so on best all-time one-year Red Sox to look for more examples for context, but I couldn't find it in a quick search.)
 

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It's going to be a blast in here when Money signs elsewhere for 3/78 and the Sox weren't in on it.
Nah. Lot of folks will rationalize that we must have not wanted him for some really valid reason, just like when Imanaga signed for peanuts. Tl;dr; "we didn't want him anyway". Basically as a group we're turned into Bruins fans.
 

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I enjoyed the season JT had and would have been happy to have him back at the right price, but the bit by Cotillo about him being one of the best one-year Sox is a bit hyperbolic. That makes him sound more like Beltre in 2010 or Nick Esasky in 1989, when he was really more like Cody Ross in 2012 (even with nearly identical bWAR and OPS+). (*I think there was a thread last year or so on best all-time one-year Red Sox to look for more examples for context, but I couldn't find it in a quick search.)
Recency bias, and obvious extreme circumstances, but Steve Pearce springs to mind as well.
 

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I don't think we know much about Grissom's D yet but we've heard positive remarks from both Ron Washington and Story, so my gut feeling is I'm happy to have him out there for a full season over what we got from Valdez/Urias (it's hard to go anywhere but up from the worst 2B defense in baseball). We've replaced Kiké's yips with Story, who came back to SS looking like a top 3 defensive player at any position and I think will have a stabilizing effect across the infield. I thought Casas showed improvement throughout the year, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Yoshida showed a better grasp of playing the monster in year two.

Verdugo is definitely a loss, but O'Neill is good out there, Abreu seemed solid and I think there's a decent chance of significant innings from Rafaela.

I'm not saying I expect greatness, but it's definitely not a primary area of concern for me like hitting baseballs and having 5 starting pitchers is.
Yes, Story should be healthy going into the season and the rookie the team is most likely to rely on has gold glove potential. But what I was reacting to was your statement that they
have " already improved the defense substantially over last year" which made it sound like they had actively done things to address this concern - and I don't think that's accurate. It would seem very unlikely, for example, for O'Neil to be as valuable defensively next year as Verdugo was last year. He is just too damn injury prone. I mean, he's had 500 PA once in his six season career. Further, Ron Washington's accolades aside, there is good reason to think that going into the season with Grissom as the starter is a plan that is more likely to improve the offense than the defense. After all, his primary issue as a prospect is his glove, and while he's young enough to improve there isn't a good reason to think he will better at 2B next season than Urius. After all, despite his down year defensively last year, prior to 2023 Urius was +2 OAA at 2b for his career. Meanwhile, Grissom, is already -5 OAA for his career. At best it's a lateral move defensively and not an example of the team actively pursuing defensive improvement.
In fact for a team who was historically bad in the field they’ve shown remarkable complacency about this issue.
 
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Why are we assuming Verdugo’s great defensive year isn’t an outlier? He was kind of mid prior.

Story is a huge upgrade of the infield defense. He’s going to make Devers and Grissom better.
 

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USA today had some predictions on where free agent will go.
Several suggested Soler is likely headed to Boston. I believe we know Soler has one offer from Boston already. Crickets since then, but that may mean he is hoping for another that may not come. The same thing may happen with Snell and the Yankees.
Montgomery remains a possibility (I think we already know that).
MLB trade rumors has the Twins in on Duvall.
 

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It was probably mistake to decline the 13.4 option on Turner. Signing Soler for anything over 7 million would mean they made a mistake.
 

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Well, he lost $400,000 (the option was for 13.4 and he signed for $13 million) but at least he’s on a team with a better chance of winning..
He got a $6.7M buyout from BOS, so actually he made $6.3M.
 

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Well, he lost $400,000 (the option was for 13.4 and he signed for $13 million) but at least he’s on a team with a better chance of winning..
He got a $6.7 million buyout from the Sox by declining the option so he cleared about $20 million this offseason.
 

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USA today had some predictions on where free agent will go.
Several suggested Soler is likely headed to Boston. I believe we know Soler has one offer from Boston already. Crickets since then, but that may mean he is hoping for another that may not come. The same thing may happen with Snell and the Yankees.
Montgomery remains a possibility (I think we already know that).
MLB trade rumors has the Twins in on Duvall.
After Turner signed with Toronto, Cotillo tweeted “Breslow all but ruled out a Turner return in November when he said he wanted to rotate the DH spot”. So if that’s true I wouldn’t expect they’d be signing anyone for the DH role - and the last thing they need is another bad defensive player..
 

chrisfont9

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I would love some playoff relevance in 2024
The last two seasons, two of the most forgettable seasons in the 21st century for the Sox, where their roster was so riddled with injuries it looked like the aftermath of a 1930s movie featuring indiscriminate use of tommy guns... the Sox had playoff relevance until about the all-star break. It won't be too hard to reach base-level relevance.
 
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