They are a last place team. They are not great. It sucks they can’t get what I want.
I can still find enjoyment without playoffs. This isn’t Oakland. I love baseball. I love going to Fenway. I root for the sweater. JWH drinks free forever.
No Town Hall this year at Red Sox Winter Weekend
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I can still find enjoyment without playoffs. This isn’t Oakland. I love baseball. I love going to Fenway. I root for the sweater. JWH drinks free forever.
As opposed to their breathless sycophants that waste everyone's time on a message board?
There is absolutely no reason for them to do this. No good will come of it. Over and Over FSG has showed no real desire to show accountability beyond a token acknowledgement of past failure. I don't think people are going to buy whatever bullshit they put out instead of explaining that they are going to take a step back from competitive baseball while they rebuild the team from four years of poor management. You certainly aren't going sell overpriced tickets doing that.
It is going to a long road to relevance or the Rovin Road to 2028!
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There's nothing to "play". A poster said he thought John Henry was chicken shit for not addressing the fans and you responded with "And yet you still support him" like it was some sort of gotcha moment or you got one over on him.
A lot of fans of various sports teams support the team and don''t like the owner.
This feels like a pretty gutless move to me. End of the day, just like with their FA moves or lack thereof, they’ll have to own their decisions. I don’t think it’s asking too much for a group of seasoned execs to be able to deal with some unruly fans.
But this will be a nothingburger that goes away quickly.
But this will be a nothingburger that goes away quickly.
The same mouth breathers who shamed them in to paying for Devers!
Also the same mouth breathers who criticize the signing of Devers and his terrible defense. The ones that also complain about Story’s lousy contract and think Xander should have retired a Red Sox.
If I ever find any of them, I'll be sure to tell them they beat Debbie Downers who process everything through their Fan Feelings (TM), and need to insert them into every conversation here.
(Also you misused the word "sycophants" - but good try.)
I’m questioning if you even read posts or you just ascertain whether they are positive or negative from a few key words and then post some boiler plate stuff….
None of what you posted here has anything to do with my post, the original post, or even this thread. I really have no clue what you are even talking about
We should do our very own SOSH Red Sox Town Hall using ChatGPT answering our questions as Red Sox brass.
That would be interesting.
That would be interesting.
Well they're still having a weekend long event with all kinds of stuff going on, so there is outreach. I'm only telling you because I'm not sure if you knew that, not because I'm advocating that it's enough. Then again, as someone already asked, do all teams do this? Is it normal for fans to expect that kind of access?
And generally, it's silly to debate what being a fan means, fandom is very personal.
I will say that it's pretty shocking for me, who spent years saying "just get us one!" while I had my heart stomped on over and over, to see this level of vitriol toward the group that got us four. FOUR!
I get being upset, I get wanting answers, and I get wanting a better team. I get being critical. I get being very very critical. I get being pissed the hell off.
It's not the anger, it's the level of it, that blows my mind. Honestly, if I'm John Henry, and I'm reading some of the vitriol (not just here, but generally), I'm asking myself why I bothered. He's the best steward this franchise has ever had, regardless of where they are now. I think it's important to remember that.
They just look down at the filthy muggles who don't understand brilliance is only four years away!
I found the treatment they received to be really personally distasteful and, frankly, I'm worried that more of it would lead to bad decisionmaking like throwing silly money at someone that shouldn't get it.
There are a million ways that fans can register their disappointment that are less tacky -- starting with: don't buy the product.
Henry isn't selling widgets. I get that. It is 100 percent appropriate to treat him as a steward for something that we all care very much about and to act like it. I have no problem with that. But I get uncomfortable with the idea that includes the right to heckle.
I'm not judging those who feel different. CR67 is right -- how to fan is very personal.
There are a million ways that fans can register their disappointment that are less tacky -- starting with: don't buy the product.
Henry isn't selling widgets. I get that. It is 100 percent appropriate to treat him as a steward for something that we all care very much about and to act like it. I have no problem with that. But I get uncomfortable with the idea that includes the right to heckle.
I'm not judging those who feel different. CR67 is right -- how to fan is very personal.
A sycophant praises someone without being sincere to gain some sort of advantage. People supporting or defending the owners appear to be sincere to me.
Vitriol is defined as “abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will”…is there really a lot of that going on here about the organization? I think there are obviously people who are disappointed in the current state of the team but I think the majority are fairly reasonable and measured about it, and not mouth breathers or whatever. I don’t really see a lot of people acting as sycophants either. I doubt peoples opinions about the team are nearly as extreme as we perceive them to be online.
I think people would be way more understanding if the team was having bad years with talented rosters, as most of the ire would be directed towards the players and the manager (think 2011). But they don't really have much talent and haven't spent to the level they did for 15+ seasons, so everyone is laser focused on ownership, especially now that their approach seemingly hasn't changed even after the firing of the guy who was taking a lot of the bullets on that front.
I’ve been a STH for 20+ years and never heard of “Winter Weekend” before last year’s fiasco. Maybe I should read the emails they send me.
Needless to say, I couldn’t care less if this “town hall” happens or not. Talk is cheap. If they put a better team on the field, then whatever they say now won’t matter. If they don’t put a better team on the field, then whatever they say now also won’t matter.
Needless to say, I couldn’t care less if this “town hall” happens or not. Talk is cheap. If they put a better team on the field, then whatever they say now won’t matter. If they don’t put a better team on the field, then whatever they say now also won’t matter.
Dopes? This would be really cool. Shouldn't we at least be artificially intelligent? Don't know how it could be done on this platform.
I'll stand by vitriol. Or seething, irrational anger if you'd prefer. It seems like more than normal sports anger to me.
As I said, not just here, and here's better than a lot of places, but it's all over the place. This thread exists because it boiled over last year and led to them canceling an event.
Is this a photoshop? Please say noI guess we won't see a bottle of this on the table this year:
That’s fair. I was thinking it doesn’t really exist here but that is surely because we are such a refined group. Booing and yelling at a town hall is pretty lame anyways and didn’t make for very compelling content for the majority of attendees.
I hear what you're saying. But for most people, loyalty and patience have their limits. And that most certainly includes Henry, who has been firing his heads of baseball operations on a regular basis.
There was an initial surge and then fans saw most of the players they wanted for the Sox end up in other teams and they realized that Bloom wasn’t the only problem.
If you do the town halls when you're winning and basking in the adulation then you should do it when you're facing the heat. It's the kind of thing every parent teaches their kids. This is basic life stuff.
That said, if Sam Kennedy was who I had to represent me in front of the public I'd cancel as well.
That said, if Sam Kennedy was who I had to represent me in front of the public I'd cancel as well.
I mean, they were in the ALCS less than 2 1/2 years ago. That's patience? And they've publicly stated they're planning on doing what it takes to get better, and a large portion of the fan base has decided that they're full of shit before they have a chance to get the job done. I don't get it.
To be clear, I get the anger (don't mistake my patience for contentment, I'm not happy) over the last 2 years, just not the level of it and pronouncements of doom that come with it.
Also, this organization has won four titles in the last twenty years with three different GM's, so change has often worked when they've made it. The new guy's three months in.
They weren't winning when they did it last year and the result was a shitshow. Nobody benefitted. What's the value in running it back?
Accountability to the fan base. It’s important. To use another franchise as an example, there has been a State of the Bruins every season since Neely took over no matter what happened the previous year.
Hey they’ll save some money and not use it to actually sign a major player.
This FO is a joke now. All empires collapse, sucks it’s happening now.
This FO is a joke now. All empires collapse, sucks it’s happening now.
Why is it important? Seriously, did something productive come out of last year's session? Does anyone remember any content from it beyond drunken booing assholes? Was any dialogue established? How did that even qualify as accountability?
Who's going to go after Neeley and his enforcers in that setting?
They probably have Jay Miller come up from the Cape and put him at the front with his arms crossed. Seriously though, I agree it's a terrible, chickenshit look, and I think they should have done it, but it will probably fade pretty quickly, especially once a few moves happen.
They did it last year. And a not-insignifcant portion of the crowd acted like children.
Obviously management figures the on-field product will drive revenue, not John Henry's sexy plumage.
I don''t care much either way. But Felger instantly went from 6 to midnight and will probably have to go to the doctors soon.
I think 4 titles in 22 years or whatever earns a lot of goodwill. His ownership of the Sox has been, on the whole, very good. But, the results haven’t been there lately so it’s fair to question what they’re doing right now. It’s also fair to defend it if you think the current approach will eventually lead to greener pastures. Not convinced of that on my end based on where we currently are but we’ll see.
It's not so much that they're defenders of John Henry. It's more that they've made "I'm smarter than other Red Sox fans" a part of their identity.
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This kind of elitism would pack more of a punch if it were backed up by exceptional prognostication abilities. But it’s almost certainly the case that if you’d surveyed a random set of people whose accents you make fun of, and compared their mean predicted win total for 2023 to this board’s (not to mention yours), the former would almost certainly have been more accurate.
Why? That's crazy talk to me. The guy brought me some of the most incredible joy I'll ever experience. Then he did it three more times. It's called gratitude.
It does not mean I'm happy with the way things stand today. It does not mean the rope is endless.
20 years. 20 years ago today we were still in an 85 year drought.
I'm not sure if it will work or not, but I think Breslow deserves a chance to actually do something before declaring the end of an empire.
That's a steaming pile of bullshit, and this is not a game thread. If you can't bring better, don't bring anything.