NFL officiating
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I don't even understand what they mean by "excess timeout". It's an utterly meaningless phrase. There's no such thing.
The excess timeout language is bizarre. Besides the terminology, at the very least (since it is likely a ploy by the D to burn time) they should reset the game clock back where it was when the last play was down. The D shouldn't get the benefit of the burned seconds from the end of the play until the excess timeout whistle stops the clock.
And, Denver should only have 2 timeouts in the second half the next time we play them.
That's my solution.
And, Denver should only have 2 timeouts in the second half the next time we play them.
That's my solution.
Verdict, four of the six were BS and that's about right. Is he being unfairly targeted? Looks like it. Even if not, you can't penalize a guy because he's too good, which is what it seems like is happening at best. At worst, it's very suspect.
Why would you say this when it clearly *is* a thing? We may not have heard of it, but it's a thing.
From the end of the article:
Isn't it obvious? It's about punishing the great teams* to increase parity. Patriots win a bunch of Super Bowls with defense, let's change the rules for defenders! Seahawks win a Super Bowl by being very handsy 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage? Let's crack down on illegal touching penalties! Patriots win a Super Bowl with a great offense, let's find a rule that we can start enforcing to slow down their best player!
*Great teams without representation on the "competition committee"
Ha, while looking up the competition committee members I came across the NFL's website on the matter. The banner is amazing.
It gives the strong impression that they're advertising to their constituents their mission by showing who they're trying to screw.
Here are the members for those interested:
http://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/the-nfl-competition-committee/
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Seems like fair commentary to note that the competition committee is indeed focusing on enhancing competitive balance (as the website says)---which is of course conceptually distinct from fairness or equal treatment.
Totally. It's not a conspiracy theory*. They're trying to promote competitive balance.
*Except the part about unequal treatment based on who is represented on the committee...but of course humans have a hard time being neutral in situations like this so it's not unfair, either.
Let's just say that Jeff Fisher and the Rams somehow managed to avoid any culpability in the Case Keenum debacle. No fine. Nothing.
Totally above board. Nothing to see here.
Totally above board. Nothing to see here.
Thanks, Mike.
I didn't realize that the Commissioner appointed all members of the Competition Committee until the link provided above.
The site doesn't mention a term length of appointment. Do the members of the Committee change each year or do they serve at the pleasure of the commissioner?
(Former long-time Jets employee) Kensil's a dishonest turd: the league's bylaws specifically prohibit him (or whoever's in his position) from being on the sidelines during games....a prohibition he willfully violated when he was running around on the Foxboro sidelines shouting "You guys are fucked now!" during the AFCCG.
He's a horrid, corrupt scumbag and he should be the first one given the boot when NFL reform change finally takes place.
He's a horrid, corrupt scumbag and he should be the first one given the boot when NFL reform change finally takes place.
I guess. I mean, it's like this. NFL rules dictate that you get 3 timeouts a half. You use them all up, meaning you have zero. So you do something that normally would charge you a timeout, but since you don't actually have any timeouts left, they grant you an imaginary "excess" timeout and then take it away from you again?
It doesn't really exist. They're not charging you anything. They're just not penalizing you anything. You wouldn't have the "excess" timeout unless you committed the violation that makes them then take that imaginary "excess" timeout away. They might as well say, "We're charging you an invisible pink unicorn." It means the same thing.
Good find with that alternate angle. There was never any contact with Brady 's head or neck and it turns out Barrett was even lower than where I thought he was. His arms isn't even around Brady's shoulder, it's around his ribs, under his arm. Perfectly clean hit and that clip shows why no flag was warranted.
As I think the only way there is a change to the rules is for enough impact players(RB, FB, TE, WR) on the rules committee's teams suffering through a knee injury I've compiled all IR injuries to date for all teams(spoiler below) but I can't for the life of me get the tables to work on this new version(hence the spoiler as it's a mess).
Gerald Christian TE ARI Knee
Ifeanyi Momah TE ARI Knee
Chris Johnson IR-DTR RB ARI Leg
Beau Gardner TE ATL Knee
Breshad Perriman WR BAL Knee
Steve Smith WR BAL Knee ACL
Cierre Wood RB BUF Knee ACL
Kelvin Benjamin WR CAR Knee ACL
Stephen Hill WR CAR Knee ACL
Kevin White WR CHI Leg
James Wright WR CIN Knee
Glenn Winston RB CLE Knee
Lance Dunbar RB DAL Knee ACL
Jeff Heuerman TE DEN Knee ACL
Kyle Williams WR DEN Knee ACL
Greg Salas WR DET Knee
Jordan Thompson TE DET Knee
Jordy Nelson WR GB Knee ACL
Andrew Quarless IR-DTR TE GB Knee MCL
Arian Foster RB HOU Knee ACL
Ryan Griffin IR-DTR TE HOU Knee MCL
Anthony Denham TE HOU Undisclosed
Jamaal Charles RB KC Knee ACL
Gavin Lutman WR MIN Undisclosed
Brandon Gibson WR NE Knee
Dion Lewis RB NE Knee ACL
James Develin FB NE Leg
A.J. Derby TE NE Undisclosed
Marcus Harris WR NYG Knee
Chris Harper WR NYG Undisclosed
Stevan Ridley RB NYJ Knee ACL
Zach Sudfeld TE NYJ Knee ACL
Andre Debose WR OAK Knee ACL
Jonathan Krause WR PHI Undisclosed
Ray Hamilton TE PIT Undisclosed
David Nelson WR PIT Undisclosed
Paul Richardson WR SEA Knee ACL
Kendall Hunter RB SF Knee
DeAndre Smelter WR SF Knee ACL
Reggie Bush RB SF Knee MCL
Dres Anderson WR SF Knee MCL
Rory Anderson TE SF Undisclosed
Isiah Ferguson WR STL Knee
Louis Murphy WR TB Knee ACL
Dorin Dickerson TE TEN Knee ACL
Silas Redd RB WAS Knee ACL
Ifeanyi Momah TE ARI Knee
Chris Johnson IR-DTR RB ARI Leg
Beau Gardner TE ATL Knee
Breshad Perriman WR BAL Knee
Steve Smith WR BAL Knee ACL
Cierre Wood RB BUF Knee ACL
Kelvin Benjamin WR CAR Knee ACL
Stephen Hill WR CAR Knee ACL
Kevin White WR CHI Leg
James Wright WR CIN Knee
Glenn Winston RB CLE Knee
Lance Dunbar RB DAL Knee ACL
Jeff Heuerman TE DEN Knee ACL
Kyle Williams WR DEN Knee ACL
Greg Salas WR DET Knee
Jordan Thompson TE DET Knee
Jordy Nelson WR GB Knee ACL
Andrew Quarless IR-DTR TE GB Knee MCL
Arian Foster RB HOU Knee ACL
Ryan Griffin IR-DTR TE HOU Knee MCL
Anthony Denham TE HOU Undisclosed
Jamaal Charles RB KC Knee ACL
Gavin Lutman WR MIN Undisclosed
Brandon Gibson WR NE Knee
Dion Lewis RB NE Knee ACL
James Develin FB NE Leg
A.J. Derby TE NE Undisclosed
Marcus Harris WR NYG Knee
Chris Harper WR NYG Undisclosed
Stevan Ridley RB NYJ Knee ACL
Zach Sudfeld TE NYJ Knee ACL
Andre Debose WR OAK Knee ACL
Jonathan Krause WR PHI Undisclosed
Ray Hamilton TE PIT Undisclosed
David Nelson WR PIT Undisclosed
Paul Richardson WR SEA Knee ACL
Kendall Hunter RB SF Knee
DeAndre Smelter WR SF Knee ACL
Reggie Bush RB SF Knee MCL
Dres Anderson WR SF Knee MCL
Rory Anderson TE SF Undisclosed
Isiah Ferguson WR STL Knee
Louis Murphy WR TB Knee ACL
Dorin Dickerson TE TEN Knee ACL
Silas Redd RB WAS Knee ACL
I thought the draft order, salary cap and uneven scheduling was meant to balance the competition. Why the need for the competition committee also?
Wow, with all the emphasis on the 2nd OPI from the Denver game, I had not seen the first call until now. What a ridiculous penalty.
Also, flagged by Greg Wilson (same as Chung flag and of course the infamous illegal bat non-call). He is truly horrible and needs to be fired.
Have to agree with you on that one. In this day and age when players automatically look to inflict as much pain as possible, flags be damned, it was incredibly impressive that not only did he not make contact with Brady's head, he never even came close enough to warrant a flag.
through all of this, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell thinks the officials are great.
"Our officials do an extraordinary job," Goodell said, according to the transcript of his press conference from this week's league meetings. "What we see now is that through technology we see things we could never see before, but what it does is it validates the quality of our officiating. We all recognize that officials are going to make mistakes. What we need to do is try to avoid those mistakes as much as possible, train them differently, improve the quality of the officiating and use technology to help them whenever a mistake does occur."
"I mentioned to them – when we talk about integrity of the game, that's one thing that truly affects the integrity of the game," Goodell said. "We strive for perfection, we strive for consistency. We're not going to always get that, but we're always going to continue to try to get that. And I mentioned to the ownership today that our commitment is to do everything reasonable to make sure that we improve officiating."
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/roger-goodell-thinks-officials-are--extraordinary---and-he-has-a-point-215104022.html
"Our officials do an extraordinary job," Goodell said, according to the transcript of his press conference from this week's league meetings. "What we see now is that through technology we see things we could never see before, but what it does is it validates the quality of our officiating. We all recognize that officials are going to make mistakes. What we need to do is try to avoid those mistakes as much as possible, train them differently, improve the quality of the officiating and use technology to help them whenever a mistake does occur."
"I mentioned to them – when we talk about integrity of the game, that's one thing that truly affects the integrity of the game," Goodell said. "We strive for perfection, we strive for consistency. We're not going to always get that, but we're always going to continue to try to get that. And I mentioned to the ownership today that our commitment is to do everything reasonable to make sure that we improve officiating."
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/roger-goodell-thinks-officials-are--extraordinary---and-he-has-a-point-215104022.html
Rog is the announcer who calls a play one way, sees the replay that disproved his statement, yet doubles down on his incorrect commentary in the face of video evidence.
Also, does he have an internal translator that turns everything he says into doublespeak, or is his speech writer just having a laugh? "They do an extraordinary job but we need to train them differently (thereby changing the entire way they do things)."
Also, does he have an internal translator that turns everything he says into doublespeak, or is his speech writer just having a laugh? "They do an extraordinary job but we need to train them differently (thereby changing the entire way they do things)."
This is pretty much what NASCAR did in the 60s 70s and 80s. Everytime someone came up with a better design or non safety related technical advancement they outlawed it in the offseason to create parity.
I might have been wrong to even bring in the competition committee regarding Gronk (though probably not). In the recent cases with changes in emphasis: picks/rubs (pats, Broncos), defensive holding 5 yards downfield (Seahawks) and OPI/push offs (Gronk) who is making the decision?? Unlike recommendations by the competition committee described in that link, there was NO rule change here. Instead, there was a "change in emphasis" (or in Gronk's case, a change in interpretation) in how the rule was applied.
What I want to know is who decides to change the how the game is officiated? That is basically the same as changing the rules. Are these emphasis changes being voted on by owners like rule changes are or does a lot of power rest with a few under guise of being something else.
What I want to know is who decides to change the how the game is officiated? That is basically the same as changing the rules. Are these emphasis changes being voted on by owners like rule changes are or does a lot of power rest with a few under guise of being something else.
I think there's something missing from the rulebook blurb that was quoted earlier. If a receiver starts to block a defender before the ball is thrown, that's also considered OPI. You don't need the receiver to create separation or anything.
I've seen that called on screen plays and such from time to time.
(edit: the receiver only has to be beyond the line of scrimmage.)
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The competition committee recommends "points of emphasis"; they can do that on their own without approval of the other owners. And it usually just takes one owner on the committee to make it happen. Recall Bill Poilan; he was sitting on the competition committee when he decided that DB's giving WR's a dirty look more than 5 yards from the LOS should result in a penalty. Remember, the competition committee has to do something to justify sitting through 2 hours of powerpoint presentations and a free dinner.
Just watched the replay. Wasn't that even reviewed? That was a understandable call but completely incorrect.
Not reviewable.
Think there's now another owner supporting the Belichick proposal that they killed last offseason?
The Vikings owner or other teams fighting for wild card.
Honestly the way replay is today, I think that play likely stands.
The Jax-Ravens game on the other hand.
No team has a better case for being unfairly treated by the refs/league than the Lions.
Maybe I'm giving Goodell too much credit here, but what I see is an attempt to acknowledge that changes will be made while avoiding any admission of past fault. Of course it's not everything Pats fans want to see, still raw as they are from the no-lube treatment in the cold of Denver last Sunday. But compare the above to the following hypothetical version:
This would have been a hell of a lot worse than what he actually said, no?
I will say this, between the handling of off field issues, deflategate, head trauma, and the horrendous officiating I have definitely reduced the amount of time I give to the NFL this season. I watch a lot of sports and until this year would routinely watch at least a couple of games a week in addition to the Patriots. This year has left such a bad taste in my mouth so far that I've reduced it to just watching the Patriots. Thursday night game with no competing bruins game, last night was a game I was sure to have watched in years past. I didn't even think about flipping it on. Hearing about the result this morning just confirmed a made a great decision that I didn't put time into watching the refs give away another game. The NFL is a behemoth for sure but I really wonder if they are doing real harm to the sport. So maybe I'm the outlier but I'm feel like we are starting to cracks in the "Everyone will watch anyway".
I'm in the same boat. And even with the pats I'll probably watch mls cup live and dvr the pats game so I can tune over after mls and skip commercials.
Dean Blindino chimes in on the Gronk OPI:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/04/blandino-says-pass-interference-call-on-gronk-was-correct/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/04/blandino-says-pass-interference-call-on-gronk-was-correct/
No word on how this reasoning applies to the Chung call.
That reasoning makes me even angrier. "Blandino said when a receiver extends his arm to create space between himself and the defender, that’s a penalty that should be called every time." Oh ya know, except when it's Demarius Thomas against Chung. He can use both arms to push off.
The surefire blandino confirmation that every awful call is correct cements to me the fact that the nfl has no interest in actual fair play. This pushes them further r towards the wwe side of the spectrum. The way the rulebook is written allows for at least a flag on every play if the rules are enforced to the absolute letter. This gives enormous latitude to swing games withno accountability
Personally, I'm relieved to hear that everything is A-OK in Blandinoland (or is that Goodellville?). I'd hate to believe that there's any substance to all this suspicion about the league office...(still) nothing to see on Park Ave and its branch operations, please move along!
But if you do spend some time looking at the league today, the abysmal officiating is wrapped tightly around a deteriorating on-field product that is irritating millions of fans each week...backed by a Commish who spends an inordinate time on the wrong side of legal decisions...and nagged by a festering problem with concussed players. $44 mil doesn't buy what it used to, I guess.
But if you do spend some time looking at the league today, the abysmal officiating is wrapped tightly around a deteriorating on-field product that is irritating millions of fans each week...backed by a Commish who spends an inordinate time on the wrong side of legal decisions...and nagged by a festering problem with concussed players. $44 mil doesn't buy what it used to, I guess.
I dunno. Aaron Hernandez Land has more rides, but making you stay in the "safe house" to get entry to Warehouse Just Up The Road, and Da Club/SUV Justice is kind of a rip off.
They just opened up a new attraction. The shankcoster.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/shank-found-aaron-hernandez-cell-report-article-1.2456208
I truly don't understand why they pay this idiot so much money. There have got to be millions of people in the Anglosphere who are willing and able to do a better job for less than 1/10th what they're paying Goodell.
Maybe the money is a sign of the leagues health. Like buying a Lexus instead of a Camry. Paying your commish $44 million might help negotiating TV rights.