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Kenny F'ing Powers

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So Zach Wilson is Ryan Leaf redux (except when Manning and Leaf were up in the draft there was actual debate on who should be the # 1 pick). So very sad.
I dont think so. The Ryan Leaf thing was so weird because he was as "cant miss" as Peyton Manning was...or at least close to it. Wilson had plenty of flags but was drafted for his potential.
 

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Some of the story, and I’m not defending this, is that Hackett recruited him out of high school when Hackett was at Syracuse. I’m not sure if Hackett was with Packers starting in 2019 and I think that is when Boyle hooks up with them as an UDFA.

This rah rah piece from when he joined the Packers goes into his history:

https://www.packers.com/news/perseverance-has-defined-tim-boyle-s-football-journey
Boyle is reportedly great at film work, he's apparently super good at breaking it down. Probably explains why he's got a job.
 

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I dont think so. The Ryan Leaf thing was so weird because he was as "cant miss" as Peyton Manning was...or at least close to it. Wilson had plenty of flags but was drafted for his potential.
I'm saying results wise. When you draft a QB at #2 you really are not expecting those results.

I commented that there was actual debate on who should go # 1
 

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About fucking time.
Heard on the Dan Patrick show this morning: The first in-season coaching firing by the Steelers since 1941.

Canada's firing marks the first time the Steelers have made a head coach or coordinator change midseason since 1941, according to ESPN Stats & Information research. That season the Steelers had three head coaches -- Bert Bell (who went 0-2, and was the half-owner of the team), Aldo Donelli (who went 0-5) and Walt Kiesling (who went 1-2-1).
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38950625/steelers-fire-oc-matt-canada-offensive-struggles
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

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I'm saying results wise. When you draft a QB at #2 you really are not expecting those results.

I commented that there was actual debate on who should go # 1
Yeah, I just dont think - because of the pedigree and expectations - the comparison is apt, and I think there are better analogies.

Blake Bortles (#3 overall)
Mitch Trubisky (#2 overall)
Joey Harrington (#3 overall)

Theres a handful of guys that have been taken top 5 or top 10 that had flags. Leaf is considered one of the biggest busts of all times for a reason. Wilson falls into that next bracket.
 

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I'm hoping this is just an external thing and he's going to tell the players. I don't see how this would serve anyone's interests, unless he's trying to have them fail.
That's just a nothing quote to me, the actual quote is:
"I told everyone to be ready to go"

That to me is just "I'm not naming a starter yet, I expect all 3 guys to be ready if called on"
 
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He's still a good player, right? I wonder what the deal is.
He looks like a shell of his pre-injury self and has complained about a reduced role. Combined with being paid like he’s the 2021 version of himself and it’s not shocking Indy moved on although the timing is a bit weird. Maybe a locker room distraction motivated move.

He’s likely cooked as a core starter and if he doesn’t like being a part time player, he’s going to be out of the league pretty quickly.
 

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I’m guessing the betting market will have a problem with it though. Thou shalt not piss off DraftKings.
Betting market doesn’t care who starts for the Pats.

This isn’t Browning going in for Burrow. This is option A, who sucks, or option B, who also sucks, but in a different way. It won’t move the line one way or another.
 

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Sounds like Drew Brees is already paying the physical toll from his playing days. 44 years old and his right arm "does not work anymore". Stated that he can't throw with his right and plays pickleball because it's below the waist.

HOF career, SB winner, more money than he'll ever be able to spend, etc, etc. But that sounds pretty brutal. I'm close to that age and the first thing I thought was what if you couldn't pick up your kids.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38958604/retired-qb-drew-brees-says-only-throw-left-handed-now
 

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Sounds like Drew Brees is already paying the physical toll from his playing days. 44 years old and his right arm "does not work anymore". Stated that he can't throw with his right and plays pickleball because it's below the waist.

HOF career, SB winner, more money than he'll ever be able to spend, etc, etc. But that sounds pretty brutal. I'm close to that age and the first thing I thought was what if you couldn't pick up your kids.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38958604/retired-qb-drew-brees-says-only-throw-left-handed-now
This is unfortunately my own case, and has been true for 15 years. It’s the toll of dislocations, labrum tears, surgery, etc. Pins holding stuff in place, then tearing, then more tears. It sucks.
 

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This is unfortunately my own case, and has been true for 15 years. It’s the toll of dislocations, labrum tears, surgery, etc. Pins holding stuff in place, then tearing, then more tears. It sucks.
Honest question: if you could be physically healthy tomorrow, or have a net worth of 9 figures and a super bowl ring, what would you choose?
 

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I am somewhat sympathetic, but with $269M in career earnings, Brees can afford to have models pick up his kids and hold.them while he hugs them...
 

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How was he playing in the NFL as recently as 2020 and three years later can’t lift his right arm? Was there a botched surgery in there since?
 

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How was he playing in the NFL as recently as 2020 and three years later can’t lift his right arm? Was there a botched surgery in there since?
I can’t speak to Brees’ case, and one of our doctors can explain it properly, but… for me it’s been a combination of restricted range of motion (following surgical repair) and general instability after time passed. Throwing overhand (or swinging a racket) is no longer possible without significant pain, and the pain is daily. I can lift my arm fine, and certain movements are fine, but sports that I did effortlessly prior are now impossible.

I imagine this is especially terrible for a pro athlete. Considering the age of his injury, he performed incredibly. Perhaps he has had more repair since, but it needn’t have been botched. Just part of the repair process…
 

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How was he playing in the NFL as recently as 2020 and three years later can’t lift his right arm? Was there a botched surgery in there since?
I think that's why it seemed so jarring. He was just playing a few years ago. He'll be fine and just use his other hand to count all his money, but still sucks.
 

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Meh, I can’t play catch with my kid because I ruined my arm gunning tennis balls while playing stickball. Actually I don’t have a kid, but still.
 

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Jack del Rio and the DBs coach fired by Washington. Feels very deck-chairs-on-the-Titanic-y.

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Hope this gives Carolina a bounce and they're able to pull off a few upsets in that crappy division.
 

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David Tepper is putting on a clinic on how to be a horrible and overbearing owner.

Yes, David, it's Frank's fault the roster is bad, the owner is micromanaging, and the team completely bungled an all time chance to draft a QB stud.
 

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Hope this gives Carolina a bounce and they're able to pull off a few upsets in that crappy division.
We've seen it before. I could see someone stepping in, telling the players do just do what works for them, and sneaking out some wins with a more motivated crew. Just happened for a few weeks in Vegas. I'll tell myself anything to keep the #1 pick dream alive.

Right. Team trades away it's biggest strength on the team - it's 2 great edge rushers - and then blame the coaches for the team cratering. Ok.
 

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Right. Team trades away it's biggest strength on the team - it's 2 great edge rushers - and then blame the coaches for the team cratering. Ok.
Eh, new ownership. This might have been their plan all along. The sale didn't close until the end of July so it is not like they could turnover the coaching staff immediately. They were stuck with Rivera for the year.
 

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Cue the BB to the Panthers rumors. Ticks some of the boxes. Shitty division, young QB with potential, motivated owner.
Bill would definitely want to shop for the groceries if he were to go to Carolina. And the draft compensation would undoubtedly be less than many here hoped for. But it is not out of the realm, either.
 

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Bill would definitely want to shop for the groceries if he were to go to Carolina. And the draft compensation would undoubtedly be less than many here hoped for. But it is not out of the realm, either.
I don’t think Bill would wanna run a team under a guy like Tepper (one of the primary reasons he got the hell out of dodge in NY back in 2000 was that ownership transferred from Leon Hess to Woody Johnson), but I also have no idea what other options Bill will have. I agree the Panthers cannot be crossed out yet given the uncertainty of what Bill will want v what options he will have, even though I think Washington makes more sense on paper at the moment.
 

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David Tepper is putting on a clinic on how to be a horrible and overbearing owner.

Yes, David, it's Frank's fault the roster is bad, the owner is micromanaging, and the team completely bungled an all time chance to draft a QB stud.
Some friends of mine in the Charlotte business community have told me that Tepper has done an astonishingly good job of alienating everybody in town in the short time he's owned the team. He sounds like a parody of an huge ego, out of control hedge fund billionaire with a new toy to play with.
 

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Some friends of mine in the Charlotte business community have told me that Tepper has done an astonishingly good job of alienating everybody in town in the short time he's owned the team. He sounds like a parody of an huge ego, out of control hedge fund billionaire with a new toy to play with.
Sounds like Daniel Snyder.
 

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Some friends of mine in the Charlotte business community have told me that Tepper has done an astonishingly good job of alienating everybody in town in the short time he's owned the team. He sounds like a parody of an huge ego, out of control hedge fund billionaire with a new toy to play with.
Unsurprisingly, his soccer team will have its third head coach for its third ever season.
 

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Isn't Carolina the worst situation in the league for any new HC to be walking into? Rookie QB who is not showing signs that he can be a franchise QB, Bears have their 1st rounder this year and 2nd rounder next year, roster sucks worse than the current Pats roster and the owner seems like a giant shithead. Not seemingly an ideal landing spot for a 72 year old coach. I'd imagine at this stage Bill is primarily motivated by (a) a chance at a 7th Super Bowl as a HC and (b) Shula's record, neither of which seems attainable in Carolina during what is likely to be the remaining years of his coaching career.