In theory, you could get Fournier within TPE and do a separate trade with TT and flotsam (Semi, Edwards, Teague?) going out with picks and Gordon coming back. There'd need to be a third team ending up with TT, of course.
You'd probably flip that. Gordon into the TPE, Fournier is easier to salary match since he makes less.In theory, you could get Fournier within TPE and do a separate trade with TT and flotsam (Semi, Edwards, Teague?) going out with picks and Gordon coming back. There'd need to be a third team ending up with TT, of course.
No, if you can you'd prefer to do it the way I suggested because you keep more of the TPE to use later. Only reason to do it way you suggest is if you can't get enough flotsam included going the other way (a risk, given lack of value in end of roster)You'd probably flip that. Gordon into the TPE, Fournier is easier to salary match since he makes less.
I said if. Right now, both have little to no value so they won't get much in trade. So it's best to just hold on to them and hope they work out. IF they don't, it's going to suck. A few years back, we had a stacked roster and the Memphis and Kings picks. Fast forward to now and gross. A lot of that is because RL and AN haven't performed... at all.Whatever someone will pay for him.
The asking price for Gordon is unrelated, it will be the best deal they can get, same as before.
We're 1.5 years into Langford, and lless than 3 months into Nesmith's career. Was Jimmy Butler a wasted pick based on his first 3 months?
Guys drafted in the teens often don't work out, very few become impact players, and the ones that do usually take a while.
For TT's sake, you'd hope so. Orlando wouldn't have an issue paying TT next year with Gordon and Vuc off the books. Given Isaac's health and Bamba's perfomance, maybe they wouldn't even mind having him around.In theory, you could get Fournier within TPE and do a separate trade with TT and flotsam (Semi, Edwards, Teague?) going out with picks and Gordon coming back. There'd need to be a third team ending up with TT, of course.
They're basically average picks for that spot in the draft. Maybe Bane has more value? Tough to say how much teams buy into his early 3pt shooting, but that has more to do with his shooting being there than just getting minutes. WCJr has more value because:I said if. Right now, both have little to no value so they won't get much in trade. So it's best to just hold on to them and hope they work out. IF they don't, it's going to suck. A few years back, we had a stacked roster and the Memphis and Kings picks. Fast forward to now and gross. A lot of that is because RL and AN haven't performed... at all.
If RL and AN were actually playing, it would change things. They also don't even need to be impact players to have trade value and/or on court value.
Wendell Carter isn't some super stud with tons of value. He's a young player who actually plays and produces.
If RL had actually played the first year and a half and was putting up something like 21.0 mpg, 8.9 points, 3.2 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.0 steals on .415/.289/.756 shooting and good D this season, he'd probably have similar value to WCJ if not more, and the players we would be talking about acquiring would be a lot better than Aaron Gordon.
AN and RL have not produced at all. They have provided no value on the court and their trade value has plummeted. This year's performance by Nesmith doesn't mean he's a bust and won't be good, it just mean he has 0 trade value. It doesn't say that about RL either but him already missing 2 seasons and still being an unknown makes him "salary filler."
Again, if they end up not being even 20 minute players... the team just wasted 2 decent changes to add cheap, young rotational players to Jay and Jay. It's a set back.
Right now, Desmond Bane has more value than RN and AL. He was not drafted 7th.
WIth your methodology, sure. Go tell me how good 15th picks in the NBA draft are.They're basically average picks for that spot in the draft.
? I gave you a list of guys from 14-17 in recent drafts.WIth your methodology, sure. Go tell me how good 15th picks in the NBA draft are.
That was before we picked up Fournier but it's going to be close anyway. Chicago is 1.5 back and they are a lot better than people want to acknowledge. Or the C's are worse.No it doesn't
Cs are worse.That was before we picked up Fournier but it's going to be close anyway. Chicago is 1.5 back and they are a lot better than people want to acknowledge. Or the C's are worse.
Damn. That’s a shame...waiting for the other shoe to drop because, as of now, I’m not a fan of what’s happened
Agreed. Plus, the C's have yet to unload any of the flotsam on their bench, which I'm hoping happens in all this.Hope Danny has another move up his sleeve because Fournier is not enough of an improvement for this team.
Woj with the details -Shams tweeted the Gordon to Denver trade is a done deal
Wow. I’m stunned Danny couldn’t beat that deal. Great trade for Denver.
If you are hoping to win a title, probably not. He's a pretty huge improvement over Semi and Grant though. I think a few people are going to be surprised how much better an average NBA starter is than Semi and friends.Hope Danny has another move up his sleeve because Fournier is not enough of an improvement for this team.
They do really like Hampton.Unless Orlando has some other plan for Harris that is a lot worse return than either Celtics recent 1st plus a future one. Frankly, that's a worse return than TT, Nesmith, a 1st and filler.
One possible explanation is they really like Hampton, I guess. But Harris is a negative value and that really hurts the deal.
I'm assuming the C's have every intention of keeping Fournier.Unfortunately, if the Celtics are using the TPE for Fournier, that means no real improvement for next season (assuming Fournier leaves). So, while Gordon was an improvement beyond this season, now it is pretty much win now.
Thank you!!!!! The tweets I am seeing saying that that package beats out what the Celtics could offer are driving me insane.Unless Orlando has some other plan for Harris that is a lot worse return than either Celtics recent 1st plus a future one. Frankly, that's a worse return than TT, Nesmith, a 1st and filler.
One possible explanation is they really like Hampton, I guess. But Harris is a negative value and that really hurts the deal.
Yeah, would be shocked if Fournier leaves this offseason.I'm assuming the C's have every intention of keeping Fournier.
I am sorry the trade deadline is affecting you so much. If it makes you better, Aaron Gordon + Fournier isn't likely enough to get the C's a banner this year. And for all of the Gordon talk, he is a decent player and nothing more. He is additive but not a difference maker. The Celtics not paying up for what he brings is probably to their benefit long term.Thank you!!!!! The tweets I am seeing saying that that package beats out what the Celtics could offer are driving me insane.
(Someone compared it to Smart+Nesmith+a 1st which is fucking certifiable).
Very, very dismayed at how this appears to be turning out for the Celtics...
I think the question there is what's the theory of the team going forward? What I liked about Gordon is that while he might well not be it, you could wishcast a really interesting group where he's the 5 and you have switchy, athletic, strong passing, and shooting all over the court and that's pretty unique.I am sorry the trade deadline is affecting you so much. If it makes you better, Aaron Gordon + Fournier isn't likely enough to get the C's a banner this year. And for all of the Gordon talk, he is a decent player and nothing more. He is additive but not a difference maker. The Celtics not paying up for what he brings is probably to their benefit long term.
I agree that's gotta be the plan. Gets a rest-of-the-season tryout to see how he fits with Brad and the Jays.Yeah, would be shocked if Fournier leaves this offseason.
Exactly--Fournier fills the shooting need without causing the positional/defensive issues that Bjelica does. Kind of a no-brainer imo.I don't think Bjelica is really a fit with Fournier aboard. I like the player, but somewhat duplicative skillsets.
I guess if you could trade TT and a 1st for Bjelica OK, but basically wouldn't give an asset to add him to what they have now
The only way would be to include Smart. It’s apparent that the Magic wanted a veteran defensive guard to replace Fournier and they got Harris. I wouldn’t have included Smart for Gordon either so I’m not upset with this.....but you better go get Barnes now.Wow. I’m stunned Danny couldn’t beat that deal. Great trade for Denver.
This also puts to rest any conceivable notion that Smart and 1st round picks were ever on the table for Orlando
Likely, or he goes to MIAReports of Hill to 76ers...nice get, but does that mean Lowry stays in Toronto/Tampa?
Aaron Gordon changed the trajectory? I like him more than Fournier but neither one would make us serious title contenders.I think the question there is what's the theory of the team going forward? What I liked about Gordon is that while he might well not be it, you could wishcast a really interesting group where he's the 5 and you have switchy, athletic, strong passing, and shooting all over the court and that's pretty unique.
I like Fournier, and it's a good get. But he doesn't change the trajectory overall (imo) and so the improvement to compete at the top level comes from....where exactly? Or How?
Or they needed to take Harris in order to make the money workThe only way would be to include Smart. It’s apparent that the Magic wanted a veteran defensive guard to replace Fournier and they got Harris. I wouldn’t have included Smart for Gordon either so I’m not upset with this.....but you better go get Barnes now.
Bulls fan here.That feels pretty light. Is Carter Jr. better than I think? I think the Celtics could have matched that with two picks, Smart, Nesmith and TT for salary.
That is a very interesting deal.Powell to Portland for Trent/Hood.