So we're just going to overlook the fact Chapman has a year left and is about to get seriously paid? While Kimbrel has 3 years left? Apples to Oranges. Kimbrel should cost more.
1 year of Chapman versus 3 years of Kimbrel + we don't know what the Chapman package is yet = way too early for overwrought overreactions.
This would be a bit more of an argument if Kimbrel weren't already getting paid at very good closer rate considering his service time. Do people think Chapman will be paid like a starter? I assume he will get a contract like Papelbon's adjusted to 2016, something like $15-16 million/year. That's not much more than Kimbrel. But, maybe he will break the bank.
I was looking over his numbers, and what's crazy is that for a guy who's been so dominate since 2012, he still hasn't broken the 40 save marker in his career. Says more about the Reds than Chapman though, I think.
Kimbrel is only making 3 million more than Chapman in 2016. I think you are on the money with him getting paid 15-16 million a year perhaps 17. Darren O' Day just received 31 million. Let that register...I know it still hasn't for me.
Well, he's been dominant, but if you don't get save opportunities, you're not going to get a ton of saves. He only had 38 and 36 chances the past two seasons, and 43 in the two before that.Tough to get 40 saves when that's the case.
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Sure but those aren't the only variables at play here. smastroyin had a great point about DD and his unwillingness to sit back and let the market unfold which usually leads to an overpay and possibly setting the market for everyone else.
I didn't say they were. I was responding to a post that merely postulated that we got fucked without any support.
If DD set the market and extended the "going rate for closers" higher, then why didn't the Reds get more from the Dodgers? We don't really know anything here yet. There are many possibilities beyond big overpay by DD.
Syd you post some pretty good stuff here, but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken so I'll be a bit more specific. Both are from Cuba, Chapman's 2 years older and has a couple more years experience in MLB. There was a pretty good article in S.I. last year or the year before about the young Cubans who are making their way into MLB and how many of them have played with and against each other and keep in contact since coming here. There's been several reports of Puig being a pain in the ass and not what some consider to be a good teammate. I was curious if perhaps they had some history together and as an added benefit, the Dodgers might hope Chapman can play big brother and reign Puig in some. Sort of in the same way that there was some talk a year ago about Ortiz possibly having a positive influence on Hanley Ramirez.
Also notable to those bitching about what the Sox gave up for Kimbrel as opposed to what this might have cost (above and beyond the years of control), it's cited in that article that Chapman has missed time four out of the last five years with shoulder discomfort.
Paid off for what reason? They said there was no evidence of any assault, and every witness pretty much has a different story. This isn't Greg Hardy ("that DE on the Cowboys") where there was a whole boatload of proof of what he did, including pictures, assault rifles, and that whole trial where he was convicted.
