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& I agree about BCamp putting out good stuff. He's really good at compiling things from different places.

View: https://twitter.com/EdHand89/status/1731160990744482067

All told, Arias batted a stout .350/.440/.453 with nine doubles, one triple, one home run, 15 runs driven in, a team-high 32 runs scored, three stolen bases, 19 walks, and 14 strikeouts in 37 games (159 plate appearances) for Boston’s DSL Red affiliate. Going even deeper, Arias posted a 1.036 OPS against lefties and an .854 OPS against righties.
“Yeah, he’ll start to get attention next year,” Speier wrote of Arias. “There’s a strong consensus that he’s a true shortstop, with enough bat-to-ball that he should have some offensive value. His physical development will determine how much, but he has an unusually clear path to being a big-leaguer for someone who has yet to play in the United States.”
https://bloggingtheredsox.com/2023/12/02/red-sox-infield-prospect-franklin-arias-has-the-makings-of-a-true-shortstop/

I'm glad SP is finally in the right neighborhood on Arias. On 8/16 I had Arias 26 & SP had him 45. On 10/20 I had him 27 & SP had him 43. But as of the last updates from 11/22 I had him 25 & SP had him 30. Bureaucracy.
 

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Jorge Benitez pitched a 7th game for Caguas, 2 more scoreless innings.

7 games
9.2 IP
0 runs
4 hits
3 walks
11 strikeouts

0.00 ERA, 0.72 WHIP, 2.8 bb/9, 10.2 k/9

He has hit 3 guys, but they probably deserved it.
Benitez pitched 0.2 scoreless innings, allowing a hit & striking out 1.

8 games
10.1 IP
0 runs
5 hits
3 walks
12 strikeouts

0.00 ERA, 0.77 WHIP, 2.6 bb/9, 10.5 k/9

BCamp wrote about him, too:

Benitez, 24, was originally selected by the Mariners in the ninth round of the 2017 amateur draft out of Leadership Christian Academy in Puerto Rico. The San Juan native signed with Seattle for $150,000 and made his professional debut in the rookie-level Arizona League that June.
With the Travelers, Benitez posted a 2.14 ERA and 4.24 FIP with 74 strikeouts to 39 walks across 40 outings (59 innings) out of the bullpen. He also converted his lone save opportunity on the year while holding opposing hitters to a miniscule .190 batting average against.
As Baseball America’s Kyle Glaser noted back in March, Benitez “annihilates left-handed batters with a 90-93 mph fastball from a low arm slot and a high-spin curveball in the mid 70s.” The 6-foot-2 hurler’s “tough angle also plays against righties and gives him a chance to be a low-leverage reliever.”
https://bloggingtheredsox.com/2023/11/24/red-sox-sign-former-mariners-pitching-prospect-jorge-benitez-to-minor-league-deal/
 

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Fun fact- I'm currently in an APBA league that JJ Cooper of Baseball America was a founding member of. His college roommate is the commissioner and someone I've known since I was 9. Really good guy. Hope to get JJ to come on some day.
I'm not as familiar with Cooper because his stuff is paywalled, but he's been with BA for 20+ years, so I'm sure he has some great stories & insight.

He is a UGA alum, though, so he's probably hurting right now.
 

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When Ian & Chris disagree, I usually find myself agreeing more with Ian, but I think this argument from Ian about college guys are finished products & HS guys who have been in the system instead aren't is kind of weird.

A year of college where a guy is also attending class & there are a limited # of games seems less formative from a baseball standpoint than being immersed in baseball every day as a profession.

Mayer has 1,021 PAs in the last 3 years compared to 926 for Teel, despite Mayer suffering multiple injuries since joining the Red Sox.
 

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When Ian & Chris disagree, I usually find myself agreeing more with Ian, but I think this argument from Ian about college guys are finished products & HS guys who have been in the system instead aren't is kind of weird.

A year of college where a guy is also attending class & there are a limited # of games seems less formative from a baseball standpoint than being immersed in baseball every day as a profession.

Mayer has 1,021 PAs in the last 3 years compared to 926 for Teel, despite Mayer suffering multiple injuries since joining the Red Sox.
I also tend to agree with Ian more. I think that when I disagree with him though he's usually way further off from me than when I disagree with Chris. Haven't listened to the episode yet (waiting for my work commute tomorrow) but will report back on this when I do.
 

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I think they forgot to mention PENROD during that convo, but pretty sure they've discussed him in this context before.
 

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What more can one say about 6' RHP Yoelvin Chirino that hasn't already been said? Chirino was born on May 13, 2005 in San Felipe, Venezuela. Notable MLB players from San Felipe include Luis Arraez & Marco Scutaro.

One could tell quickly from the time Spanish settlers first formed a community in the area in 1693 that San Felipians were made of stern stuff, even back when their town was known as Cerrito de Cocorote (which translates to "Cocorote Hill"). In 1710, the town was destroyed upon orders of the Nueva Segovia de Barquisimeto. The town was rebuilt within several years, but was once again ordered to be destroyed. In 1721, the town's inhabitants were able to receive permission to rebuild the city & they did...but despite the prior approval, the Nueva Segovia de Barquisimeto set fire to the entire town, destroying it for a 3rd time.

This did not stop the residents of the area to keep trying to push forward, independent from their arson-loving overlords. With the support of Fray Marcelino de San Vicente, they were able to obtain a Royal Certificate from King Philip V of Spain to establish an independent town. They received their certification on November 6, 1729 & immediately started rebuilding - naming their town San Felipe El Fuerte (Saint Philip the Strong) in honor of the king & their strength as a community. The city continued to expand and thrive...until being destroyed once again in 1812, this time by a large earthquake. Of course, the town's inhabitants were not perturbed, & built back again.

San Felipe is very hilly as it lies in the foothills of Cerro Chimborazo, which has a peak elevation of 7,352 feet above sea level. San Felipe has a current population of just over 220k (slightly larger than Worcester). San Felipe boasts a hot semi-dry climate with an average temperature of 77 degrees (slightly warmer than Worcester).

Chirino signed for $10 on April 15, 2023, & was assigned to DSL Red.

Chirino, whose middle name is Jose, saw his 1st of 8 appearances on the season come on July 1st against one of the DSL Pirates affiliates. This was one of his better appearances as it was one of three in which he did not allow a run, but it was a portent of things to come as he walked 2 hitters & struck out 1.

For the season, Chirino put up the following stats:

8 games
11.1 innings
12 runs
9 earned runs
9 hits
10 walks
2 HBP
8 strikeouts

7.15 ERA (6.48 xFIP), 1.68 WHIP, 7.9 bb/9, 6.4 k/9.

If we were to find some silver linings in these stats, Chirino appeared tough to hit when he was throwing strikes. On the season, opponents hit 9-40 against him for a .225 BA. He induced a high amount of ground balls (54.8%) & a modest 9.7% line drive rate. For comparison purposes, the guy generally considered to be the top DSL pitcher for the Red Sox this year, Gilberto Batista, allowed a 17.2% line drive rate.

It appears, at the moment, that Chirino is on a [very roundabout & unlikely] path to being a ground ball inducing righty who is tough on fellow righties. On the season, righties slashed .222/.405/.222 against him while lefties slashed .250/.400/.667. Both extra base hits he allowed (a triple & a homer), came against lefties, even though only 15 of the 52 batters he faced hit lefty.
 

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Draft Lottery is tomorrow at 3:30 p.m. eastern. Red Sox have a 1.2% chance of getting the 1st pick & an 11% chance of getting any pick in the top 6.

https://www.mlb.com/news/2024-mlb-draft-lottery-odds

Otherwise they could pick 11th if the Mets don't win the lotto & no team behind them does, or anywhere after that if the Mets & teams behind them do win the lotto.
 
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What more can one say about 6' RHP Yoelvin Chirino that hasn't already been said? Chirino was born on May 13, 2005 in San Felipe, Venezuela. Notable MLB players from San Felipe include Luis Arraez & Marco Scutaro.

One could tell quickly from the time Spanish settlers first formed a community in the area in 1693 that San Felipians were made of stern stuff, even back when their town was known as Cerrito de Cocorote (which translates to "Cocorote Hill"). In 1710, the town was destroyed upon orders of the Nueva Segovia de Barquisimeto. The town was rebuilt within several years, but was once again ordered to be destroyed. In 1721, the town's inhabitants were able to receive permission to rebuild the city & they did...but despite the prior approval, the Nueva Segovia de Barquisimeto set fire to the entire town, destroying it for a 3rd time.

This did not stop the residents of the area to keep trying to push forward, independent from their arson-loving overlords. With the support of Fray Marcelino de San Vicente, they were able to obtain a Royal Certificate from King Philip V of Spain to establish an independent town. They received their certification on November 6, 1729 & immediately started rebuilding - naming their town San Felipe El Fuerte (Saint Philip the Strong) in honor of the king & their strength as a community. The city continued to expand and thrive...until being destroyed once again in 1812, this time by a large earthquake. Of course, the town's inhabitants were not perturbed, & built back again.
This saga of Cerrito de Cocorote/San Felipe reminds me of this scene from the Holy Grail:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82CqjaDKmA


Chirino signed for $10 on April 15, 2023, & was assigned to DSL Red.
Ten bucks, now that is a value signing! I feel like we've already made most of that investment back already.
 

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Woops. I even did that one as a rare computer post so I can't even blame autocorrect. I blame im ardashian.
 

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Woops. I even did that one as a rare computer post so I can't even blame autocorrect. I blame im ardashian.
Well I'm disappointed that we didn't sign this guy for ten dollars. No wonder Bloom got fired, throwing around money like that.

(I am not trying to nitpick your posts over an obvious typo, just joking around. Thanks for all the effort you put into this!)
 

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Well I'm disappointed that we didn't sign this guy for ten dollars. No wonder Bloom got fired, throwing around money like that.

(I am not trying to nitpick your posts over an obvious typo, just joking around. Thanks for all the effort you put into this!)
I'm just excited whenever I have confirmation that someone actually reads my posts. Tear them to shreds for all I care lol
 

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When Ian & Chris disagree, I usually find myself agreeing more with Ian, but I think this argument from Ian about college guys are finished products & HS guys who have been in the system instead aren't is kind of weird.

A year of college where a guy is also attending class & there are a limited # of games seems less formative from a baseball standpoint than being immersed in baseball every day as a profession.

Mayer has 1,021 PAs in the last 3 years compared to 926 for Teel, despite Mayer suffering multiple injuries since joining the Red Sox.
I agree. I don’t think that Ian made his point very clearly. I would think that you get promoted to the show once your talent and the need there of coincide. Not sure how a college player is more developed or closer to a finished product than a 3 year minor leaguer.
 

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I agree. I don’t think that Ian made his point very clearly. I would think that you get promoted to the show once your talent and the need there of coincide. Not sure how a college player is more developed or closer to a finished product than a 3 year minor leaguer.
Yeah, SP has boiled this down to who do you expect to make MLB 1st, Teel or Mayer, but that's not really the issue. Teel could certainly make it before Mayer. But it depends on opportunity & how they play next year not HS v. College.

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1731716483783274806
 

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Kleyver Salazar is a 17 y/o catcher from Barcelona, Venezuela who does not turn 18 until May. He signed this past January for $175k & is the younger brother of Johnfrank Salazar.

Barcelona is the capital of Anzoátegui State, and not surprisingly has a Spanish origin. It was originally established in 1638 as a colony known as Nueva Barcelona del Cerro Santo (New Barcelona of the Holy Mountain). It was refounded & populated nearby around 1671 by governor Sancho Fernández de Angulo and Catalans.

Barcelona lies about 8 hours east of San Felipe on the northern Coast of Venezuela. It is located in the foothills of the western cordillera region & is known for its beaches & as being the gateway to Mochima National Park, a beautiful marine area with beaches & islands.

Salazar was assigned to DSL Blue where he slashed .240/.377/.347 (.725 OPS, 104 wRC+) in 151 PAs with a 17.2% walk rate & 16.6% strikeout rate.

Salazar only had 7 PAs all season against younger pitcher & was 2-4 with a double & 3 walks. This is a good indicator of just how young he was for the league this year.

Kleyver was 2nd in the system behind only Elih Marrero at 36% caught stealing & had a solid IPEP.

(#86) Kleyver Salazar (DSL): 234.2 innings, 35 steals, 20 caught stealing (36%), 1 error, 8 PB (26 IPEP)

This is quite good for a guy who only switched to catcher recently before signing.

Anyway, there seems to be the makings of a solid player here, despite the low average, & we'll see how he progresses & whether they'll give him another DSL year or move him to FCL.
 

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I wonder if we need a new thread for Podcasts & such now that we're trying to become better organized in here...

Christopher Troye on the pod.

View: https://youtu.be/L_EyrFmzwWE?si=diSZqMOeC0orYpba
I will warn before you listen, we ventured away from baseball for a bit. Troye is very much into other ventures but also a very interesting guy. Just wanted to give you a heads up before listening so you knew what to expect. Great episode though with one of the more outspoken prospects we have.
 

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I will warn before you listen, we ventured away from baseball for a bit. Troye is very much into other ventures but also a very interesting guy. Just wanted to give you a heads up before listening so you knew what to expect. Great episode though with one of the more outspoken prospects we have.
I wouldn't expect anything else from Troye, for better or worse lol
 

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I'm pretty positive Fitts will start the year in Worcester & would expect Judice probably in Salem, & this is another example of transferred assignments rather than actual destinations.

12/05/23 RHP Nicholas Judice assigned to FCL Red Sox.
12/05/23 RHP Richard Fitts assigned to Portland Sea Dogs.
 

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RNG for today was 56. Might do something quick on Andruw Musett, who I am irrationally high on, but I just did a profile on a DSL catcher from Venezuela literally yesterday. I guess the RNG is into this sort of thing.
 

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I'm going to put this here because I feel like it would be too scary of a thought to a lot of the main board...

... but what if the Red Sox don't plan on competing this year?

Data points:

1) Breslow is new on the job & is in the process of learning & evaluating EVERYONE. Cora has one year left on his contract, all the legacy FO people have been put on notice they're being evaluated. Breslow doesn't know whose opinion to trust, yet.

2) Breslow has made it clear they have no interest in trading for players with 1 year left on their contract (rentals).

3) The Red Sox traded Verdugo who is on an expiring contract.

4) The Red Sox haven't done anything yet in terms of acquisitions outside of long-term cost controlled pitching.

5) Breslow has talked a lot about sustainability.

Why this wouldn't be a bad thing:

1) Time is a flat circle & a '24 where we're evaluating C Note, Abreu, Valdez, etc etc would be a fun & important developmental year. Maybe we call up Yorke, Mayer, Teel & maybe even Anthony by the end of the year & let them keep their rookie eligibility to try to get ROY in '25 & get that extra 1st round pick. Want to try Winckowski as a starter? Mata as a closer? The world is your developmental oyster.

2) This would free us up to trade ALL of our expiring contracts for full value. I want to trade Kenley regardless, but him, Pivetta, Martin, Sale? All in play. People don't want to pay Sale's or Jansen's full contract? No problem, we're staying under the tax for one more year anyway so we'll take on most of it for some better prospects.

3) Stay under the tax one more year & hoard resources for when it's really time to really make a push. Take the opportunity to make long term commitments to Casas, Bello, or anyone else you think deserves it.

4) Add layers of depth to the system, get all your ducks in a row, & get more of Breslow's type of players into the developmental system.

Should this be Plan A? No. Yoshinobu Yamamoto & Shohei Ohtani should be Plan A. Both would provide huge buzz & both would likely be even more valuable in '25 than '24, & if they want to compete in '24 to appease them, you do it. If they're on board the '25 & forever train, that's even better, but the fact is, someone is going to pay them infinity $ & if they don't want to come to Boston, infinity + 5 isn't going to get it done.

But once you don't get those guys, you pivot to Plan 2025. Signing mid players to big contracts is a ticket to being mid. The Red Sox shan't be mid. Bloom got hate from both sides for trying to thread the needle & ~compete while building the farm system. Let's stop the Kluberization of the Red Sox & really build toward something quickly & completely from top to bottom.
 

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I don't see it. If ownership wanted to fully punt a season why hire Breslow and not just let Bloom do it in his final year?
 

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I don't see it. If ownership wanted to fully punt a season why hire Breslow and not just let Bloom do it in his final year?
Because Bloom never developed a pitching plan & they didn't trust his judgment enough to let him be the one to take the next step. & the PR of that would be appalling. But most importantly, you wouldn't be implementing a whole new system with Bloom so what are you gaining with another Bloom bridge year?

One step back to take 5 steps forward makes wayyyy more sense from a team building perspective than half measures with half information.
 

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You think it'd be worse than the PR of bringing in a new guy with a pitching background and a clear focus on that as our biggest area of need, with the opportunity to pick from the healthiest FA pitching crop in years, and then just not doing anything followed by punting the season?

Also the insinuation that Breslow doesn't know the system well enough to capably operate is kinda silly. Come on.
 

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You think it'd be worse than the PR of bringing in a new guy with a pitching background and a clear focus on that as our biggest area of need, with the opportunity to pick from the healthiest FA pitching crop in years, and then just not doing anything followed by punting the season?
Yes, because you can point to all Breslow's successes building pitching with the Cubs, Bailey's with the Giants & Willard's with the Twins & credibly tell the fan base "we got this". Bloom had not earned that ability.

& then you can point to all the players on the field who are young & a joy to watch. & honestly I doubt the actual team would be that bad.

Would the PR be better if you made a desperation signing & grossly overpaid Montgomery? Sure...probably... until it backfired. & most importantly it wouldn't be optimal for the success of the franchise.

Except for having to trade Mookie, Bloom mostly got a pass for '20, especially when they playoffed in '21. & the system is built up now so '24 won't look anything like '20 no matter what.
 

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Just going to vent real quick...

I'm tired of reading people on the main board saying dumb things with no factual basis that they know almost nothing about with their whole heart (not talking about things I've actually responded to, just the ones that are so silly they make me want to gouge my eyes out & never read anyone else's opinion on anything ever again).

Anyway, I was listening to the prospect Bar-B-Cast & something I found kind of interesting is that they don't see a lot of HS talent in the next couple drafts, & they don't see basically any high end SS/CF/C types next year, but there is a ton of semi-interesting college pitching. & '26 is supposed to be a really good class again.

Kind of makes me wonder if part of Bloom's (& the draft people like Pearson & Tobani) draft strategy was related to the strength of up the middle HS bats in those years when they drafted them, knowing they were a weakness the next 2 years & if he would have pivoted more to pitching early this year if he was still around.

Hope y'all are having a wonderful weekend <3
 

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How many years out do you think you can actually project the strength of a draft class, especially a high school one? So much can change, so quickly, when you're talking boys in puberty lol.
 

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How many years out do you think you can actually project the strength of a draft class, especially a high school one? So much can change, so quickly, when you're talking boys in puberty lol.
I have no clue? The professionals seem pretty decent at it, though. They were talking about this potentially being the worst draft since '16 & '17. I think it's easier on a macro level than a micro level.
 

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Maybe they had some idea about it this year or even last, but next year's class was still in middle school when Bloom got Mayer, the simpler explanation seems to me that he just thought high school middle infielders were generally the best bet to produce value.
 

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Maybe they had some idea about it this year or even last, but next year's class was still in middle school when Bloom got Mayer, the simpler explanation seems to me that he just thought high school middle infielders were generally the best bet to produce value.
Well yeah, guys like Mayer & Teel were no brainers regardless of what else is going on. I was more referring to picks like ROMAN, Mikey Romero, Cutter Coffey, Nazzan & Antonio Anderson over pitchers early.
 

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How many years out do you think you can actually project the strength of a draft class, especially a high school one? So much can change, so quickly, when you're talking boys in puberty lol.
I’m better at basketball than baseball, obviously, but you can see the athleticism of the top prospects.
 

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Well yeah, guys like Mayer & Teel were no brainers regardless of what else is going on. I was more referring to picks like ROMAN, Mikey Romero, Cutter Coffey, Nazzan & Antonio Anderson over pitchers early.
This would have been a more interesting strategery if it were not likely that Anthony is a right fielder, Anderson a third baseman, Romero a second baseman, and Coffey a devoted uncle to his nephews Napoleon and Kip. If the Red Sox foresaw a dearth of draft prospects at the high end of the defensive spectrum, they would have been better off drafting collegians like Maui Ahuna and Homer Bush, Jr. than their current collection of California raisins in the sun populating the department of redundancy department. At least the likes of Ahuna and Bush had demonstrated the ability to stick at premium positions against opponents old enough to drive.
 

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Anthony’s “likely a right fielder” because Little Rafi is even better defensively. But, rest assured, Anthony can play CF if Little Rafi is traded.
 

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12/09/23 Boston Red Sox signed free agent RHP Charlie Zink to a minor league contract.
12/09/23 Boston Red Sox signed free agent C Alexander Mambel to a minor league contract.
Zink is from Willemstad, Curacao and turns 18 in January. Other Red Sox prospects from Willemstad include OF/IF Ceddanne Rafaela, SP Yizreel Burnet, and OF Karim Ayubi.

They also signed C Alexander Mambel who is 17 & from Barquisimeto, VZ. Other Red Sox prospects from Barquisimeto include C Andruw Musett, SP Wuilliams Rodriguez, and IFs Yohander Linarez & Gabriel Mavarez.

This IFA period ends December 15th, & the new one opens January 15th. We will have to do a new thread for that one once this one closes.
 

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Some Red Sox Non-Roster Invitees to Spring Training have been announced...

Eddy Alvarez, Jorge Benitez, Cam Booser, Mark Contreras, Frank German, Helcris Olivarez, & Jamie Westbrook.

View: https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1734324466807627806


I wasn't aware we had even signed Jamie Westbrook, but this is apparently something that happened. He is a 28 y/o 2B/OF who played with the Yankees AAA team last year. He put up a 128 wRC+, walking 13.5% of the time & striking out 16.3% of the time. Westbrook was originally a 5th round pick by the Diamondbacks in 2013. He first made it to AAA in 2018 but has never played in MLB. He bats & throws right handed.

Last season Westbrook played 73 games at 2B, 35 games at 3B, 10 games at DH & 2 games in LF. For his MiLB career, Westbrook has played:

2B - 580 games
LF - 263 games
3B - 54 games
RF - 17 games
DH - 10 games
1B - 1 game
SS - 1 game
 

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The Red Sox have acquired IFA Charlie Zink. A 17 y/o pitcher from Curacao. He is not expected to feature a knuckleball.

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1734283342671999026
His name being Charlie Zink is bizarre. Is Charlie even a common name in Curacao? I doubt Zink is a common surname in either country.
This is even weirder than the 2 Steve Ontiveroses-- one of those guys was a pitcher and one an infielder, and they never played for the same team. The Charlie Zinks are from different countries, are both pitchers, and both were in the Red Sox org. Neither went with Charles or Chuck or Chucky for a first name, both Charlie.

Somewhat related, I wish we would try to develop a couple of knuckleballers in the low minors. If the last guy on the pitching staff was somewhat effective with the knuckler and had options, that could really help the rest of the staff avoid overuse over the long season. Having a knuckleballer who could pitch almost every day in low leverage could save the other arms for a tough stretch, then he get sent back down when another pitcher comes back from injury or is rested.