Jameer Nelson would appear to be a super-obvious choice to replace Chalmers. Great catch and shooter in the halfcourt set who can bring the ball upcourt against pressure defend opposing PGs.
Miami Heat: Pat Riley's Grease Fire
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Still a lot of money for Wade, though it really depends what happens to those contracts after year one. That's a bargain for Bosh though.
He was going to make 20.1M if he didn't opt out, and 21.6M the next year.Grin&MartyBarret said:
I think this would leave the Heat with ~$11M in cap room, enough to make a credible offer to Lowry, Deng, Bledsoe?, Parsons, Ariza?, etc...
They need to acquire a big to upgrade Anderson or at the very least add another body. I wonder if Oden is progressing at all or he is what he is physically at this point. They could really use him being able to play 15-20 effective mpg.bowiac said:
Lowry isn't realistic and Deng's skillset really duplicates a lot of what they already have.Grin&MartyBarret said:
Gortat fills a need and Jameer or Patty Mills fill another need.
Deng adds talent but I question his impact compared to those others I listed on this particular team. He's best defending scoring 3's....that's what Bron does. He's a good secondary scorer....they have plenty of that in Bosh and Wade. His strengths really are redundant on this team.
Seems right. Lowry and Bledsoe might be out of their price range. I would personally stay away from Ariza, someone will over pay. I think the lower second/third tier has some interesting pieces: Livingston, Marion, Frye, Ed Davis, Jordan Hill, McRoberts. Ed Davis and Deng would be a really nice fits. Okafor would be worth a look as a min salary guy.Grin&MartyBarret said:
bowiac said:
Apparently the Heat are telling FAs that they have approximately $12M. I can't see Ray Allen and Haslem coming back without cutting their pay.
Amazed Bosh is willing to take $11M. I guess he'd much rather be a complimentary piece.
Gortot would be a good fit but I'd be shocked if the Wizards didn't resign him after their first good year in ages. http://www.nbcwashington.com/blogs/capital-games/Sources-Washington-Wizards-To-Re-sign-Marcin-Gortat.html
Im really surpised at the response from you guys. The heat need massive upgrades or they arent winning sht. Getting bosh and wade to take these cuts help but so would having lebron do the same. Lebron plus spot up shooters isnt going to work anymore
Aren't we discussing upgrades in the frontcourt, PG, and bench depth? I don't think anyone here has crowned Miami simply due to these three coming back (assuming they do of course).ElUno20 said:
The advantage they have is that LeBron virtually alone can get the to The Finals. Pretty much their entire season revolves around health and one Best-of-Seven series.ElUno20 said:
RT @IraHeatBeat: Gortat at $12 million average. Unfathomable Bosh would not get/deserve significantly more.
His agent (and Wade's) told David Aldridge that it is bullshit. Also CBS' Ken Berger and a local Heat Beat writer say it's way lower than what they hear Bosh and Wade are willing to listen to.wade boggs chicken dinner said:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24602946/dwyane-wade-and-chris-bosh-want-more-than-reported-paycuts
Everyone including Pat Riley knows that the only way Miami really has a chance to do what LeBron wants them to do is to not keep Wade, unless he agrees to a massive pay cut that he seemingly never will. It's going to be fascinating to watch this play out.
No matter what Wade is going to come out of this looking like a good guy.
If he re-signs, he took less money to help the team win.
If he ends up somewhere else, he turned down money to try and help the team win then they insulted him by offering a pittance, Lebron and Riley stabbed him in the back.
Same with Bosh.
Once they turned down those 20M a year deals it puts pressure on Riley and Lebron in public opinion to get something done.
Would anyone really blame Bosh if he went elsewhere at 14 or 15M after Miami asked him to take a $9M paycut and play for less than Marcin Gortat? All so they can add a mid-level talent like Lowry or something?
If he re-signs, he took less money to help the team win.
If he ends up somewhere else, he turned down money to try and help the team win then they insulted him by offering a pittance, Lebron and Riley stabbed him in the back.
Same with Bosh.
Once they turned down those 20M a year deals it puts pressure on Riley and Lebron in public opinion to get something done.
Would anyone really blame Bosh if he went elsewhere at 14 or 15M after Miami asked him to take a $9M paycut and play for less than Marcin Gortat? All so they can add a mid-level talent like Lowry or something?
Now I really, really hope that they Heat do it but they are really stupid if they spend any real money on a PG. I dont think Chalmers is really good and moving on from him would be a good idea, but with their preference to run ISOs any PG isnt going to be very impactful for them. If Chris Paul went there he would see a dip in his scoring and most definitely his assist rate. Its as if they had the finals erased from their memory where they had absolutely no answer for Duncan.
Looking at the numbers they were 11th in the league in assists so thats not really a gaping hole. But they were 29th on ORB% and 24th in DRB% they could gain a ton of possessions if they could get an impactful rebounder who could actually play starters minutes.
+1 I'm not sure how many marbles Riley is still working with and I dont know if he has the guts to do it, but if he could replace Wade that could be a huge, huge upgrade for the team. Fortunately, for the league, and unfortunately, for them, there really isnt a SG or SF in free agency who could provide some enough scoring punch to be a legit #2 scorer. Assuming they cant get Carmelo, I think they would be looking at guys like Lance Stephenson, Gordon Hayward and Eric Bledsoe. But a downgrade in scoring to these guys might actually work if they thought Bosh could up his scoring chances if some of their shots were moved his way. I think thats the one thing that keeps Wade there, because I even think Riley can see that Wade has played his best basketball and is on the rapid decline, but I just dont see an alternative (besides Melo) that really makes them better.
Looking at the numbers they were 11th in the league in assists so thats not really a gaping hole. But they were 29th on ORB% and 24th in DRB% they could gain a ton of possessions if they could get an impactful rebounder who could actually play starters minutes.
jon abbey said:
+1 I'm not sure how many marbles Riley is still working with and I dont know if he has the guts to do it, but if he could replace Wade that could be a huge, huge upgrade for the team. Fortunately, for the league, and unfortunately, for them, there really isnt a SG or SF in free agency who could provide some enough scoring punch to be a legit #2 scorer. Assuming they cant get Carmelo, I think they would be looking at guys like Lance Stephenson, Gordon Hayward and Eric Bledsoe. But a downgrade in scoring to these guys might actually work if they thought Bosh could up his scoring chances if some of their shots were moved his way. I think thats the one thing that keeps Wade there, because I even think Riley can see that Wade has played his best basketball and is on the rapid decline, but I just dont see an alternative (besides Melo) that really makes them better.
Bosh apparently looking for 5 yrs and approximately $90M. If I have done my math right (big if), starting at $15M and factoring in 7.5% raises would lead to a 5/$87M contract.
Heat cap room starting to dwindle.
Heat cap room starting to dwindle.
You make it sound like they failed to even make the playoffs. If they entered next year with the exact same team as this year, they would be clear favorites with SA to win it all.ElUno20 said:
I don't think they would. They are aging. Birdman's collapse made a big difference, as did declines from Allen (late 30s) and Battier (mid 30s) and Wade looked vulnerable. you can't bring back a bunch of players in decline and hope to win. Especially with teams like OKC (who knows how they do with a healthy Ibaka), Derrick Rose may be back. Someone will eventually get Love, probably GS. Chicago and Houston are both looking to add Melo, etc. They'd be in the group of 5-7 teams you can see winning the title, and in the weaker conference, but you are putting a bigger and bigger load on Lebron with an aging supporting cast, and Wade needing his minutes managed.swingin val said:
swingin val said:
There is also a real possibility that if your plan is to just bring back the same cast that Lebron bolts and then you have no chance. I'm pretty sure he remembers that Cleveland experience and doesnt want to waste the rest of his prime in a similar situation.
RT @WojYahooNBA: Unless Pat Riley lines up talent appealing to James within cap structure soon, one LBJ suitor says: "LeBron seems ready to explore market."
Edit: Rondo, Bradley, Lebron, Love, Humphries... God? Is that you?
Edit: Rondo, Bradley, Lebron, Love, Humphries... God? Is that you?
Hah, obviously that was meant in jest.RedOctober3829 said:
Thoughts on this "communication breakdown" between Lebron, Wade and Bosh?
If you're a team with cap space, what's preventing you from coming in with a max deal for Bosh who is probably more deserving of one than many players being talked about are?
Nothing is stopping teams from doing that. I really thought it was 100% they were going to go back to Miami. If there isn't a way to improve the roster then if I were LeBron I'd leave. Phoenix isn't a bad destination. Lots of cap space, good roster, and multiple future 1sts.knucklecup said:
Agreed. That's probably what sparked this communication breakdown to begin with.swingin val said:
I think the opposite. Riley and Arison got Lebron, Bosh and Wade all to take paycuts for the benefit of the team, then proceeded to cheap out and avoid the tax instead of trying to make the team better. Then this year they got Wade and Bosh to turn down HUGE options to help the team, and proceeded to lowball them to a ridiculous extent. I mean asking Bosh and Wade to take $9M paycuts in the hopes of making Kyle Lowry the second highest paid player on the team is pretty insulting.Ed Hillel said:
I suspect that some team will convince themselves that Wade might have enough left to warrant like a 4/$60M offer. People are talking about giving that to Gordon Hayward right now...
I can't fathom what that team is of course, but there are lots of teams with cap room that don't want to do a slow rebuild.
I can't fathom what that team is of course, but there are lots of teams with cap room that don't want to do a slow rebuild.
Dustin Fox @DustinFox37 19m
Lotta smoke out there tonight re: Lebron/Cleveland.
https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/485187696735047680
Lotta smoke out there tonight re: Lebron/Cleveland.
https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/485187696735047680
It really is the best fit for him outside of Houston. In Cleveland, he can hand off the offensive load as the young guys mature, whereas in Miami he's going to keep doing more and more as Wade keeps breaking down and takes up too much cap to replace. Plus I think it would be a pretty cool story to see him go back and get that city a title before we get good again.
It's not even close to the best fit outside of Houston. Cleveland won 33 games last year, in the Eastern Conference. They have Wiggins, who is probably a couple years away from being an impact player. They have Kyrie Irving, who is competing with James Harden for being the worst defensive guard in the NBA. They lost Hawes. They're losing Deng. Maybe Bennett will turn it around, and Tristan Thompson vaguely resembles a rotation PF for a good team, but that team is a ways away.JCizzle said:
I'm rooting for it to happen, but he'd be better off in Houston, Chicago, Atlanta, Phoenix, the Warriors, maybe Dallas.
You can take any Western Conference team off that list. He'll stay in the East. The West is a war zone.