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Discussion in 'General Sports' started by Phragle, Jun 14, 2017.
It's on apparently
The asswhupping Conor McGregor is going to receive will be epic.
From Sr., apparently.
Mayweather is -800. Take all my money, please.
Damn have a wedding that day. What time do we expect the actual fight time to be?
Probably like 1130?
How is this even a thing? The best boxing technician (maybe of all time) fighting - using boxing rules - against an MMA fighter? It's going to be a slaughter, and probably a boring one at that. McGregor won't touch him.
McGregor is going to get hit 10 times for every "shot" he lands.
It'll still bring in the bucks though, that's what counts.
Floyd is getting pretty old so you have to figure this is it for real.
It's weird that Mayweather opened at -2250 and has been trending downward ever since. It'll be interesting to see how the odds move now that the fight is official.
154 lbs and 10oz gloves per Dana White.
He cracks me up
Probably almost on the 29th
I know the fight game has always been about bringing in the dough...but this is a new level of shameless cash-grabbing. As anti-climactic as Mayweather v Pac was, at least there was a sense of competition as those two were regarded as the best fighters of their generation and had never met. There is no sense of competition here, it's literally just two guys putting on a freak show fight that doesn't meant anything and trying to con money out of people's curiosity. And it's probably going to work.
Shameless cash grabbing and record chasing, isn't it?
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. How many times have you been punched in the head? You think McGregor isn't going to compete? You think he thinks he's getting his ass whupped in front of tens of millions of people?
I was hoping for a small 6-7 ounce glove. 8 at most.
I'm pretty sure in Nevada welterweights wear 8 oz. gloves.
There was some talk that the choice of ref was under dispute, that McGregor wanted an MMA ref. Any idea if that happened, or was Mayweather insisting entirely on his-way-or-the-highway?
Yeah but Dana says 154 pounds with 10 oz gloves. See upthread.
I assume Conor is going to try and win the fight, whether or not he truly thinks he can win I cannot answer. I do think that to McGregor and Dana White the result of the fight doesn't really matter to them; it is all about increasing their notoriety and making a lot of money. It's a freak show fight, a gimmicked fight that is something that RINGS or KSW would put on, but blown up to the maximum scale.
My friend just made a good point - best case for everyone is if Conor loses by DQ. Vegas cleans up, Conor saves face, Mayweather gets his win. When that line comes up, I might throw some action on it. None of you heavy hitters sandbag me.
Serious question @Marciano490:
How old would Mayweather have to be before a guy with McGregor's skillset (plus age and general conditioning) is given a real chance? Would Nate Diaz give Floyd more problems in a boxing match?
Hopkins had a belt at like 49 or 50. I don't think Diaz would, though I think he's a more dangerous puncher and a better boxer than Conor. Diaz has a lot of holes in his technique that Floyd would exploit, and not a ton of speed or great footwork. He's a good instinctual boxer, and has an awkward style, but Floyd would eat his lunch. Conor at least has a better understanding of angles and distance, though it may be more studied than instinctive, but Conor also has a ton of holes in his game, and I'm not sure how sharp his reflexes are. He's a nice counter puncher once he's identified a predictable flaw in his opponent - like coming over top of the jab of his last opponent - but he has 0 head movement and doesn't see punches coming well.
What can CM get away with and what would warrant a DQ?
A bit ago I was thinking of a scenario where a not-right CM sees a little brown man coming at at him, he thinks it's Jose Aldo, and he kicks his head into Bolivian.
At the Golden Gloves in I think 2006, I was second to last fight the second week of the tourney. The dude I was with was amped up as hell, drinking honey out of a giant bear and pacing back and forth talking this and that. I went up to watch his fight. At the end of the first round, he got gassed, grabbed the dude by the back of the head and kneed him. Place went wild, nobody knew what to do. The ref conferred with the judges, and they let it continue. Start of the second round, same thing happens and they DQ him. Not sure if he had an MMA background, or street fighting, but that'd count.
That just doesn't make any sense. If it's a sanctioned boxing match with boxing rules, how can anyone possibly justify an MMA ref...and would it even be allowed?
Is DQ a common prop on its own? I honestly don't know. I only ever remember seeing KO-TKO-DQ put together in a single line. The problem with that is I bet a lot of people will be putting money on KO/TKO (either due to Conor's left hook or his potential stamina issues), so you won't be getting great value on the DQ. But it would definitely give you more reason to bet that line if you also happen to think a KO/TKO is a possible outcome.
That's a really good point. Connor could use his head, elbow, knees, etc. and save face after the fight saying his MMA instincts kicked in.
Yeah, DQ is usually lumped in with KO-TKO, but no serious better is going to put money on Floyd for a KO, so all the bets will go to Floyd by decision, or Conor by KO. If Floyd wins by DQ, that bet will have a tiny amount of action.
I won't be watching this farce but to the question of the ref, it will be Kenny Bayless. I'd put money on it as well as Dave Moretti being one of the judges.
Half-serious question: What are the odds it ends up being a work?
I remember a Tuesday Night Fights episode where some guy threw a kick at a young Riddick Bowe and the the little manager pulled the guy over the ropes.
Edit : I was wrong. It was 3 kicks and Rock Newman is bigger than I remembered (go three minutes in)
The DQ scenario makes too much sense from CM's perspective and probably not the best scenario for Floyd (would be risking serious injury from the kick / knees / elbow / headbutt to the head / neck area). If the lawyers had any foresight the fight contract would heavily haircut CM's payout in that scenario.
Was thinking about this article:
Thanks. That's interesting.
Ignoring for a moment that they are professionals, the bias can potentially work the other way with an MMA ref, so that cancels out IMO. So do they want a professional ref or and amateur who is more likely to wet their pants on a huge stage?
My friend just spent the night pushing the same scenario. With it being a controversial DQ of course, that helps potentially set up another payday rematch for everybody.
As I've said from the start though, I've yet to be sold on the bottom line appeal here for both the UFC (beyond the we are doing this as a favor bs) and the sport of MMA. Especially with there being a pretty good chance that:
1. Connor gets destroyed, which comes off as a huge mainstream black eye for a sport trying to draw in the casual fan to come watch "the baddest guys on the planet".
2. CM walks, instead of fighting on for much much less $$$, after this fight is done.
Barring the outside possibility that this sideshow ends up being a work, one big payday just isn't ultimately worth it for them imo.
We have our sports story of the summer. There was nothing happening post NBA Finals until the NFL regular season starts. This is going to be a cultural phenomenon. Perfect timing on the announcement. This is going to be a fun 10 weeks.
I've been saying this for six months but apparently (according to Chris Mannix) provisions are in the contract that will attempt to prevent it from happening. During an interview with Dan Patrick this morning, Mannix said he was told McGregor will lose a "considerable" amount of money if he is disqualified for using illegal strikes or "MMA tactics".
On a side note and not related to Maricano's post or SoSH at all - I've been a die hard MMA fan for almost 20 years. It's my favorite sport but I hate talking about it because the average fan/media member is incredibly stupid. I'm somewhat looking forward to this McGregor/Mayweather spectacle but the amount of mind numbing "hot takes" I've already heard from the media is off the charts. It's gonna be a long couple months of idiots giving expert opinions on a sport they know very little about.
PS - And if one more person on ESPN or FS1 says, "In a boxing match, Floyd would win. In an MMA fight, Conor would win..." Yeah, no shit.
Edit - Grammar
Well, you know, except baseball.
"Considerable" is more to someone making 100M a night than it is to Mannix or the rest of the population. Seems like all the rules and contract details are in Floyd's favor. I didn't expect FM to volunteer any disadvantages, but I did expect CM to fight for and get something that favored him. The better chance CM has the more ppl are going to buy it. Mayweather doesn't care though, and he probably shouldn't.
Yeah, no kidding. I've twitter-sparred with Mannix about this before. I don't think he's seen Conor fight at all. Then Fred this morning went on and on about how Conor has no chance, and ended the segment by saying he has barely seen Mayweather fight, and has seen Conor even less.
Lol, good one.
I heard on the radio today that depending on the type of DQ, Conor would forfeit some portion of his $$$.
Bovada put up a few teaser props today. They do in fact have separate lines for DQ. Floyd by DQ is +1000 and Conor by DQ is +5000.
Oh, and Floyd is down to -600 on 5Dimes and -650 on Bovada, which is insane. I guess there are a bunch of knuckleheads out there. Also, psychologically, people hate laying big money at low odds, even if probability is in their favor.
I think the under at -120 or fight will not go the distance at -175 are pretty good bets.
Hush jerk, those idiots are gonna make me rich!
Do we have 60 days or 90 days to roll our retirement funds back into a qualifying plan? :B
Im in the process of moving jobs. Honestly considering placing my.401k.balance on mayweather during the 60 day roll over period. This is insanity.
Well, you know what they say when something seems like a sure thing in sports betting???
Bet EVERYTHING you have.
This my mortgage company will float me an equity loan too?
You guys have to remember that we are in the Trump timeline of the multiverse, I can't bet this fight.
I really can't risk 65,000 to win 10,000. Winning 10,000 is not going do change my life. Losing 65,000 could cause some household problems.