Sure, but they finished 6th in their division in 2019-2020 and then 4th last year in the east and while the playoff results are obvious, their underlying numbers in all of those series wins are extremely problematic if you're looking to predict future success. I actually don't think Lou has done very much to make that team any better the last couple of years. This is his list of trades:The Isles made it to the Conference Finals the two years prior before losing to the Stanley Cup champ in 6 and 7 games. You can say that it's luck but it's hard to move on from a guy when the team's actually having regular and postseason success.
You mean, like, the coach?The Isles made it to the Conference Finals the two years prior before losing to the Stanley Cup champ in 6 and 7 games. You can say that it's luck but it's hard to move on from a guy when the team's actually having regular and postseason success.
Sure - and I generally agree, I just think the perception that Lou has helped that organization at all is probably false.My comment was less a comment on what he has / hasn't done (I don't know or care enough to form a strong opinion) and more that organizations generally aren't going to move on from an executive who 1 down year after 3 years of strong finishes. Especially when one comes with Lou's pedigree.
How is that a snub? McAvoy is pretty much a top 5 D in the league, but tough to argue against those 3 being ahead of him for the season. They're all incredible players who had amazing seasons.Norris Trophy finalists are Hedman, Josi, and Makar. McAvoy snubbed.
Dom's and EH's models had McAvoy as the most valuable 5v5 D in the league. I didn't expect him to be a finalist, though. Those were the chalk picks. You can't expect hockey writers to check out Dom's model...yet.How is that a snub? McAvoy is pretty much a top 5 D in the league, but tough to argue against those 3 being ahead of him for the season. They're all incredible players who had amazing seasons.
Yea, pretty much this.Dom's and EH's models had McAvoy as the most valuable 5v5 D in the league. I didn't expect him to be a finalist, though. Those were the chalk picks. You can't expect hockey writers to check out Dom's model...yet.
Like last year with Adam (defense is optional) Fox and his stat stuffing PP points.Yea, pretty much this.
My main problem with the Norris is that it's become a trophy for defensemen who score, rather than its stated intention. I'd be all for creating a separate award. (The Orr Trophy perhaps?)
I actually think they got it right last year. Fox was obviously great on the PP but he was hugely impactful 5v5 for a team that was so so bad 5v5. He wasn't nearly the same player this year but still really effective. Josi is the guy this year who will likely win and not deserve it. Yes, he scored an astronomical amount of points, but he has some very average defensive impact numbers and played a much easier deployment then the rest of the players considered for the award.Like last year with Adam (defense is optional) Fox and his stat stuffing PP points.
Dom's and EH's models had McAvoy as the most valuable 5v5 D in the league.
Last time I checked, the game isn't played only 5 on 5.Like last year with Adam (defense is optional) Fox and his stat stuffing PP points.
Have they ever had anyone other than Borje Salming that deserved even passing consideration?It's kind of amazing that the Leafs have never had a Norris winner.
That is the amazing part.Have they ever had anyone other than Borje Salming that deserved even passing consideration?
I dont know how Tim Horton compared in his youth, but when I was young, and he was still playing into his 40s (no longer with Toronto), he was spoken of in those terms.Have they ever had anyone other than Borje Salming that deserved even passing consideration?
runner-up in 63-64 which was before my timeI dont know how Tim Horton compared in his youth, but when I was young, and he was still playing, he was spoken of in those terms.
I think Horton came close to winning at least once.I dont know how Tim Horton compared in his youth, but when I was young, and he was still playing into his 40s (no longer with Toronto), he was spoken of in those terms.
Careful, that counts as a humblebrag around these partsrunner-up in 63-64 which was before my time
Sure he has a lot more points, but you're right, its not nearly that simple of Charlie being twice as good defensively either. Though, Charlie did play WAY harder competition and his team scored only 12 goals fewer than Josi's and gave up 30 fewer. In all situations, including PK (which Josi doesn't play and McAvoy is among the best in the league) and PP, Charlie is ahead of Josi in CF%, FF%, GF%, xG%, SCF%, HDCF%, HDGF% . That's with Charlie being dragged down by 3 times the PK time on ice of Josi and Josi being bolstered by an unstainable power play performance. So with Charlie in much harder deployment, against harder competition in all situations, Charlie's has had more of an impact on shot, chances, high danger chances, goals for, expected goals for and high danger goals for than Josi did this year. Josi scored a ton of points while playing lesser competition and deployed in the ozone 65% of the time to Charlie's 55%.Last time I checked, the game isn't played only 5 on 5.
I mean Josi scored almost double the points of Chuckie. You can't tell me McAvoy is twice as good defensively as Josi is. I know it's not nearly that simple but he's on a different level at one facet of the game. I love McAvoy but I have zero issues with this list.
Tim Horton is my route to the earliest days of NHL hockey. I saw him play live in 1970. He broke in in 49-50. One of his teammates was Turk Broda who started in 36-37. One of his teammates was King Clancy, a rookie in 21-22 with the Ottowa Senators who had a few teammates that were in the league's first season.Careful, that counts as a humblebrag around these parts
Right. I was saying that he was humblebragging about how young he isTim Horton is my route to the earliest days of NHL hockey. I saw him play live in 1970. He broke in in 49-50. One of his teammates was Turk Broda who started in 36-37. One of his teammates was King Clancy, a rookie in 21-22 with the Ottowa Senators who had a few teammates that were in the league's first season.
I was actually alive then, just not cognizant of much more than what was between me and the ceilingRight. I was saying that he was humblebragging about how young he is
https://theathletic.com/news/maple-leafs-marner-carjacking/G2dlnla4Iltd/Maple Leafs forward Mitch Marner was the victim of a carjacking in Toronto on Monday evening, the team said via Twitter on Tuesday morning.
The Maple Leafs say the forward was unharmed and that they and Marner are thankful for the support from the police. Neither the team nor Marner will comment on the incident further as it is an ongoing investigation, the Leafs said.
Toronto police tweeted Monday evening that a carjacking had taken place involving three suspects — two with handguns and one with a knife — and that a man had been robbed of his black Range Rover. The tweet did not specify that Marner was the victim, but according to local reports, the carjacking referenced in the tweet was in the same area as the Marner incident.
good call. He would do very well there. I expect he goes to Winnipeg though.Just as well, he was fucking up the team's handling of Lehner in a big way. Sounds like a pretty toxic guy.
Landing spot for Trotz?
From what I’ve heard of it*, it’s mystifying that a kid that drives that nice a car is driving through Etobicoke.
This was actually in September of '72 (our entire elementary school was sent home to be able to watch it), but good to see it just the same.
Zactly. Kharlamov right? The series actually ended in a tie.Or if Bobby Clarke didn't Paul Bunyan the Russian dude's ankle.
But it didn’t. The Soviets won Gane 1 in Montreal, Canada Game 2 in Toronto, tied Game 3 in Winnipeg, and the USSR again in Game 4, with Esposito making that famous speech after the game. Then came the four in Moscow, which went USSR-Canada-Canada-Canada. Canada won 4-3-1.The series actually ended in a tie.