Marco Hernandez and Christian Vazquez recalled, Swihart to AAA

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Four games behind the plate at Pawtucket, including two errors, and Christian Vazquez has been deemed ready to take over Boston’s catching duties after missing a year with Tommy John surgery?

Vazquez has started out well hitting (6 for 13), but on Tuesday he had a passed ball and missed a throw from the outfield that cost Pawtucket a run.

Pawtucket manager Kevin Boles has already been quoted as saying that Vazquez’s throwing is still a tick down.


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I don't get it. Swihart needs to be up even if not playing every day so he can continue to learn the staff and opposing hitters. Not to mention opposing pitchers.

If it's a short-term thing while they look to move Hanigan, I can see it.
 

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It's been 8 games.

This makes very little, if any, sense. Blake performed very well down the stretch last year and Vazquez still isn't 100% from TJ.

Seems rushed, seems unnecessary, seems short sighted.
 

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I thought DD was supposed to be the stabilizing force. But with this, the Pablo and Rusney situations, it seems like nobody's talking to anybody. If your AAA manager says a player isn't ready, why wouldn't you listen?
 

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I'm ok with it, as our hitters are currently ahead of our pitchers.

Obviously we would send down Hanigan if that was an option, pun intended, but it's not.

Good for Marco, we're missing a true backup SS.

I'm afraid this means more Chris Young PH appearances though
 

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What kind of message are you giving Blake? You had 8 games and struggled even though played well last year over a much longer sample size, so we're sending you down. I hope the impatience demonstrated here does not portend the future for how they handle their prospects.
 

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Why are people shocked that the starting catcher is back to being the starting catcher now that he's healthy? The work at AAA was in place to prove he could go back to back days. He cleared that hurdle, I'm assuming the medical reports are fine, and now he's back on the roster as the #1 catcher. The guy that was brought in to be the veteran backup is filling that role. And the guy with a ton of potential who needs more work to be a polished defender is in a place where he gets to put in that work.

The puzzle pieces fit.
 

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There must not be a market for Hanigan yet. It's really not the end of the world to give him a few days a week trying out new positions in AAA if they also feel it improves the team in the short term as well. If Vazquez is healthy, Swihart and him are splitting time anyhow.
 

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And, it should be noted, there was input on the Swihart move from both Varitek and Gedman.
I couldn't tell from the Drellich article if he was told the team was planning on having Blake play other positions
or, it he was suggesting Blake 'could' try other positions.
 

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I'm not sure how everyone here forgot that swihart was only up because of the injuries and was pressed into action at least a year ahead of projections. This is not a panic move or a sign of the team being run poorly. This is development of a young athletic catcher getting back on track while giving the team a defensive boost.
 

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Why are people shocked that the starting catcher is back to being the starting catcher now that he's healthy? The work at AAA was in place to prove he could go back to back days. He cleared that hurdle, I'm assuming the medical reports are fine, and now he's back on the roster as the #1 catcher. The guy that was brought in to be the veteran backup is filling that role. And the guy with a ton of potential who needs more work to be a polished defender is in a place where he gets to put in that work.

The puzzle pieces fit.
I'm with you. Has everyone forgotten what a good feeling it was having Vasquez behind the plate? Swihart did an admirable job in a really tight spot last year, and showed improvement through the season, but let's not pretend he's ever looked completely ready behind the plate, or that his second half wasn't fueled by the upper reaches BABiP.
 

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I'm not sure how everyone here forgot that swihart was only up because of the injuries and was pressed into action at least a year ahead of projections. This is not a panic move or a sign of the team being run poorly. This is development of a young athletic catcher getting back on track while giving the team a defensive boost.
I don't understand either how everyone is forgetting this. The Vaz v Swihart discussion of fit will always be fascinating, but Vaz was MLB ready prior to TJ and being in Pawtucket was a "rehab" assignment. It was well accepted everywhere that Swihart wasn't close to defensively ready when called up last year and it's I think only barely arguable that his catching can only improve at the MLB level.

I am completely fine with this move. I also admit a 6) Shaw 7) Holt 8) Vaz 9) JBJ bottom of order could have some lean nights.
 

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Also saving a year of team control is not insignificant
Yeah, if Swihart goes down before Monday (and stays down) the team gets another year of control. That's potentially valuable in trade equity or to the team down the line. Obviously it's not so valuable that extended sucking by Vazquez or an injury or something should keep Swihart down, but it's not ridiculous to keep your options open for at least a little while.
 

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I'm not sure how everyone here forgot that swihart was only up because of the injuries and was pressed into action at least a year ahead of projections. This is not a panic move or a sign of the team being run poorly. This is development of a young athletic catcher getting back on track while giving the team a defensive boost.
Where I find it a "panic" move is in the fact that they broke camp with Swihart at all if the desire was to move Vazquez into the starting role ASAP. My assumption was that Vazquez began the year on the DL and in Pawtucket because there were concerns that he (and specifically his arm) wasn't ready to handle the rigors of full time play. I'm not sure 12 days is enough time to decide that he's now ready.

If he is ready now, he was ready two weeks ago considering he'd have played as much with Boston as he did with Pawtucket. Then the message is clear to all...Vazquez is their first choice and Swihart needs more development time. With the way they've done things, it all seems a bit muddled.
 

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The quote posted didn't say he wasn't ready. It said his throwing was a tick down.
It was also in a Nick Cafardo FeedMailbag. I'd like to know when Boles said it.

Vazquez is a better catcher than Swihart. It is really that simple.
 

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I trust Varitek's instincts and input on this. Vasquez is an elite defender and this pitching staff needs help out of the gate. Their April schedule is difficult and they can't afford to get buried out of the gate again. Swihart can use more time in AAA, he was rushed last year and we are also saving another year of team control. They should use him at alternate position/s in AAA to enhance his overall value to the team. DD is clearly very aggressive which is a positive for me.
 

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I think taking this as a sign the team is poorly run is silly.

Swihart has to be sent down before Monday to save a year of control. Vazquez is going to help on the receiving end, and I don't think there's any reason to think he's more likely to re-injure himself in the majors than in the minors. If his arm strength and accuracy aren't back to where they could be, it's less than ideal, but that's only part of his game and while it may be the sexiest part, it's not the biggest part.
 

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This is coming off as a "panic" move because the team sent Vazquez to AAA because they didn't deem him ready to start the season on time (for essentially rehab playing time), but now just 11 days and 20 AAA PAs later he suddenly is ready. It's possible all he really needed was those 20 PAs, but since the team didn't really give a timeline or say that the job was his when he's ready to go it looks like a reaction to a shaky 8 games from the starters and a few defensive mishaps by Swihart. When you pair that with the approach the team showed with Sandoval and Castillo this spring it looks like another example of the team reacting instead of having any real plan. It's entirely possible that this was the plan all along for Vazquez, but the circumstances don't really paint that picture.
 

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Where I find it a "panic" move is in the fact that they broke camp with Swihart at all if the desire was to move Vazquez into the starting role ASAP. My assumption was that Vazquez began the year on the DL and in Pawtucket because there were concerns that he (and specifically his arm) wasn't ready to handle the rigors of full time play. I'm not sure 12 days is enough time to decide that he's now ready.

If he is ready now, he was ready two weeks ago considering he'd have played as much with Boston as he did with Pawtucket. Then the message is clear to all...Vazquez is their first choice and Swihart needs more development time. With the way they've done things, it all seems a bit muddled.
Not sure your scenario doesn't match mine. They were concerned about his arm to ensure he was ready for the rigors of full time play so they put Vaz on the DL like any responsible team and kept the kid up to warm his seat until ready.
 

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This is coming off as a "panic" move because the team sent Vazquez to AAA because they didn't deem him ready to start the season on time (for essentially rehab playing time), but now just 11 days and 20 AAA PAs later he suddenly is ready. It's possible all he really needed was those 20 PAs, but since the team didn't really give a timeline or say that the job was his when he's ready to go it looks like a reaction to a shaky 8 games from the starters and a few defensive mishaps by Swihart. When you pair that with the approach the team showed with Sandoval and Castillo this spring it looks like another example of the team reacting instead of having any real plan. It's entirely possible that this was the plan all along for Vazquez, but the circumstances don't really paint that picture.
I would assume DD and the team have better iNsight to his readiness than you and I.
 

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Not sure your scenario doesn't match mine. They were concerned about his arm to ensure he was ready for the rigors of full time play so they put Vaz on the DL like any responsible team and kept the kid up to warm his seat until ready.
I fully understand the reason they started him on the DL and in Pawtucket...I had no problem with it at the time. What I'm not seeing is how a 10 day stint in Pawtucket was enough to alleviate their concerns. That short a "rehab" indicates to me that either the 10 day period wasn't necessary and he could have/should have been on the MLB roster from the start (he was playing in spring training so it's not as though he needed to play to get timing down or something) or they grew impatient and are rushing him back for whatever reason.
 

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I fully understand the reason they started him on the DL and in Pawtucket...I had no problem with it at the time. What I'm not seeing is how a 10 day stint in Pawtucket was enough to alleviate their concerns. That short a "rehab" indicates to me that either the 10 day period wasn't necessary and he could have/should have been on the MLB roster from the start (he was playing in spring training so it's not as though he needed to play to get timing down or something) or they grew impatient and are rushing him back for whatever reason.
This states my position on this exactly. And saves me several keystrokes.
 

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Yeah, if Swihart goes down before Monday (and stays down) the team gets another year of control. That's potentially valuable in trade equity or to the team down the line. Obviously it's not so valuable that extended sucking by Vazquez or an injury or something should keep Swihart down, but it's not ridiculous to keep your options open for at least a little while.
How long does does he have remain at Pawtucket for another year of control?
 

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This is coming off as a "panic" move because the team sent Vazquez to AAA because they didn't deem him ready to start the season on time (for essentially rehab playing time), but now just 11 days and 20 AAA PAs later he suddenly is ready.
11 days, or just short of a 15-day DL stint. That could very easily be enough time to see what they wanted to see, coupled nicely with Swihart's service time.
 

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I fully understand the reason they started him on the DL and in Pawtucket...I had no problem with it at the time. What I'm not seeing is how a 10 day stint in Pawtucket was enough to alleviate their concerns. That short a "rehab" indicates to me that either the 10 day period wasn't necessary and he could have/should have been on the MLB roster from the start (he was playing in spring training so it's not as though he needed to play to get timing down or something) or they grew impatient and are rushing him back for whatever reason.
It seems pretty clear to me that they wanted to make sure he could handle the rigors of playing several days in a row. He played five straight days, taking him to the 12th. They evaluate him on the 13th, the major league staff discusses it on the 14th, and the next major league game is on the 15th and he's here. It's not really that complicated.
 

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It seems pretty clear to me that they wanted to make sure he could handle the rigors of playing several days in a row. He played five straight days, taking him to the 12th. They evaluate him on the 13th, the major league staff discusses it on the 14th, and the next major league game is on the 15th and he's here. It's not really that complicated.
Exactly, he also had that minor setback in spring training which made it difficult to break camp. So in AAA, not only did they get to see him catch several days in a row, but the full 9 innings several days in a row. While it doesn't seem like he was in Pawtucket long, that stretch was more important than spring training where catchers rarely catch a full game.
 

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How long does does he have remain at Pawtucket for another year of control?
Until the end of the season, or whenever we trade him and it becomes the destination team's problem. It's not entirely likely, but if things are relatively close otherwise then it's not a horrible idea to keep that option available at least for a little while.
 

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Until the end of the season, or whenever we trade him and it becomes the destination team's problem. It's not entirely likely, but if things are relatively close otherwise then it's not a horrible idea to keep that option available at least for a little while.
So if he comes back up at all this season, we lose the year of control anyway?
 

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So if he comes back up at all this season, we lose the year of control anyway?
Basically, yeah. I'm trying to figure out b-ref's service time accounting; if I did my math right, he had 156 days of service time coming into this season and has used 11ish this year. So he's at 167ish.

He has to stay at 171 or less to keep the extra year of control, so he could be in the majors at most 3-5 more days total this year depending on how the end-point accounting works exactly (e.g. does today count if he's sent down before the game? And does the Sunday before the Sox opening day count as part of his service clock?).
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dombrowski: Blake Swihart will continue to catch. But will soon start taking fly balls in left field in AAA.</p>&mdash; Pete Abraham (@PeteAbe) <a href="">April 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I would assume DD and the team have better iNsight to his readiness than you and I.
I agree and don't presume to know. Just my thoughts on where the "panic" narrative is coming from.

11 days, or just short of a 15-day DL stint. That could very easily be enough time to see what they wanted to see, coupled nicely with Swihart's service time.
Absolutely reasonable. He built up a bit slower than the rest of the team during spring training and was really only getting to full speed by the end of it. Not that the organization owes anyone an explanation, but the Boston media is bloodthirsty (they're 4-4 and somehow it's already the end of the world) and getting out in front of this one may have saved them some grief.

If the team thinks Swihart could use more work in Pawtucket and Vazquez is ready to go then please, by all means, let me watch Vazquez work his art back there. And if the timing saves another year of service time for Swihart then all the better.
 

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Not that the organization owes anyone an explanation, but the Boston media is bloodthirsty (they're 4-4 and somehow it's already the end of the world) and getting out in front of this one may have saved them some grief.
Maybe. But that presumes the Red Sox FO cares about media grief.
 

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That's exactly why I said Sunday.

This way potentially saving the extra year can be blamed on Swihart's passed balls and failure to catch pop-ups, rather than on financial shenanigans.
 

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So they want him to work on his catching, but oh yea lets try out left field.

I just don't get it. If the goal is the maximize a players potential they need Swihart behind the dish as much as possible.
 

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Why are people shocked that the starting catcher is back to being the starting catcher now that he's healthy? The work at AAA was in place to prove he could go back to back days. He cleared that hurdle, I'm assuming the medical reports are fine, and now he's back on the roster as the #1 catcher. The guy that was brought in to be the veteran backup is filling that role. And the guy with a ton of potential who needs more work to be a polished defender is in a place where he gets to put in that work.

The puzzle pieces fit.
Exactly. Said the same thing in the framing thread. The plan was not to have Swihart up last year but injuries to CV and RH made it necessary. The sox are just getting him back on his original development plan.

All this handwringing.... Why? Anybody happy that Vazquez seems to have recovered nicely from TJ surgery? I am. The poor pitching after 8 games is correlative, but not necessarily causative of this roster move. I highly doubt this move wasn't planned since last year and is not knee-jerk one bit.
 

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So they want him to work on his catching, but oh yea lets try out left field.

I just don't get it. If the goal is the maximize a players potential they need Swihart behind the dish as much as possible.
Exactly. Why does he need to learn LF? What has he demonstrated behind the plate that is so poor that they would think to possibly move him to another position?

This was Dombrowski's response when asked why they are exposing him to LF.

Tim Britton ‏@TimBritton 1m1 minute ago
What's the endgoal of exposing Swihart to LF? Dombrowski: "I can't even tell you what the goal is."

Some more context on DD's quote.

Tim Britton ‏@TimBritton 4s5 seconds ago
Re: Dombrowski on goal, he doesn't know whether it's to make Swihart a full-time LF yet or whether he could be a C/LF at some point.
 

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Pete Abraham ‏@PeteAbe 4m4 minutes ago
Farrell said Swihart will be Pawtucket's catcher. He's a catcher who will learn LF. Not an outfielder.

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WTF? I mean, I think that it's a smart play to have Swihart gain some versatility ... either for the Red Sox later this season, or a team such as Oakland at the trade deadline.

But when the team president and the manager give bullshit answers such as these, it's comical
 

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I would assume DD and the team have better iNsight to his readiness than you and I.
This is the same FO that just kept Rusney Castillo in the majors for two weeks for no reason and wants Swihart to start playing LF in AAA.

Edit: Well done, RSS.

 
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If Swihart has the bat to be even tolerable in LF, then he's a top 5 catcher in baseball and they should leave him alone. This is inane.
 

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They probably made this decision weeks ago - it just seems like panic move in the context of subsequent events that unfolded around it.