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Wichita on their way win #30 against an over-matched Missouri State team.
 
Memphis trying to rebound from their loss at Houston by knocking off Louisville, taking a 37-31 lead into halftime off a 7-0 run.
 
UNC struggling early at VA Tech, down 4.
 

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It looked like Louisville was going to run away after storming into the lead early in the half, but Memphis is on a 10-0 run and now leads by 2 with 1:36 to play. It's on CBS, and it's been wildly entertaining thus far.
 
EDIT - Make it a 12-0 run, up 4. But Louisville hits a FT for their first point in over 4 minutes.
 
EDIT - Russ Smith fouls out for Louisville. 20 secs left, Memphis up 3 and heads to the line where Dixon is 8 for 8.
 
EDIT - Lane violation, FT waved off, Louisville ball.
 
EDIT - Cardinals miss a 15-footer, clang, rebound Memphis with 3.4 secs left.
 
EDIT - Shaq Goodwin ices it. Down goes Louisville, as Memphis sweeps them.
 

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St. Bonaventure trying to knock St. Joe's back onto the NCAA bubble out in Olean, leading 45-44 early in the 2nd half. It's on NBCSN.
 

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I think we can all agree that LSU (17-10, 8-7 conf) needs to beat Florida today in Gainesville to have any shot whatsoever at an at-large berth, even if they get to the SEC semifinals. It's next on CBS.
 
EDIT - And the Gators are already up 8-0 off three LSU turnovers. Geaux Haume, Tigers.
 

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Notre Dame misses the tying FT with 10.8 secs left, and they trail Pitt 79-78 in South Bend. They still have hope after the Panthers hit both their FTs. It's on ESPN2.
 
EDIT - Great job by Pitt, swishing all 6 FTs in the final 11 seconds, and fouling ND on both Irish possessions before they can get off a potential tying 3-pointer. Panthers avoid the upset, 85-81.
 

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With the assumption that they'd have to reach the Big Ten quarters at the very least, would an Illinois win over Michigan St today move the Illini onto the longest-of-long-shots bubble watch list? They're 16-12, 5-10. Next up for them would be Michigan & Iowa. Miraculously winning out for the regular season and then taking their first 2 tourney games would put them at 21-12 overall, and as I've said a thousand times the NCAA loves strong finishers.
 
Well, they're up 23-20 in Lansing with 4:20 left in the half. Spartans just buried a deep three to halve the lead.
 
EDIT - Tied at the half, 28-28.
 

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Syracuse looks awful so far in Charlottesville. C.J. Fair finally breaks the funk.
 

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Syracuse looks awful so far in Charlottesville. C.J. Fair finally breaks the funk.
 
Strong finish to the half for the Orange, as an 8-3 run in the final 3 minutes puts them up 28-27 at the break.
 

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St. Bonaventure trying to knock St. Joe's back onto the NCAA bubble out in Olean, leading 45-44 early in the 2nd half. It's on NBCSN.
 
The Hawks are pulling away, up 10 with 50 secs left. 
 
EDIT - And they take it by 9.
 

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With the assumption that they'd have to reach the Big Ten quarters at the very least, would an Illinois win over Michigan St today move the Illini onto the longest-of-long-shots bubble watch list? They're 16-12, 5-10. Next up for them would be Michigan & Iowa. Miraculously winning out for the regular season and then taking their first 2 tourney games would put them at 21-12 overall, and as I've said a thousand times the NCAA loves strong finishers.
 
Well, they're up 23-20 in Lansing with 4:20 left in the half. Spartans just buried a deep three to halve the lead.
 
EDIT - Tied at the half, 28-28.
 
Well, your hypothetical assumes they beat MSU, Iowa, and Michigan consecutively? Including 2 of them on the road? They wouldn't need to do anything in the B10 tourney, and they wouldn't be on the bubble. They'd be in. But they won't win even one of these three games.
 

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But they won't win even one of these three games.
 
Not so fast. Illini up 7 with a minute left.
 
EDIT - And MSU basically gives up over the final 40 seconds. No fouls, no defense, no effort. I don't get it. This makes 6 losses for the Spartans in their last 10 games.
 

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Well, your hypothetical assumes they beat MSU, Iowa, and Michigan consecutively? Including 2 of them on the road? They wouldn't need to do anything in the B10 tourney, and they wouldn't be on the bubble. They'd be in. But they won't win even one of these three games.
 
Very happy to be wrong about this when it means a Sparty loss.
 

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They wouldn't need to do anything in the B10 tourney, and they wouldn't be on the bubble. They'd be in. 
 
I'm going to strongly disagree on this one. They lost 10 of 11 games from Jan 8 to Feb 15. Admittedly it was a brutal stretch, but there's no way the committee's going to overlook that stretch. A one-and-done in the BTT would essentially tell the members Illinois had a hot 5-game streak to end the regular season but couldn't carry it over, and that the real Illinois was the one that lost to Purdue & Northwestern.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see them make it under that hypothetical, even with a first-round BTT loss. I just think there are too many other competitors vying for looks to be at most 6 at-large spots that aren't yet sewn up. 
 

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I'm going to strongly disagree on this one. They lost 10 of 11 games from Jan 8 to Feb 15. Admittedly it was a brutal stretch, but there's no way the committee's going to overlook that stretch. A one-and-done in the BTT would essentially tell the members Illinois had a hot 5-game streak to end the regular season but couldn't carry it over, and that the real Illinois was the one that lost to Purdue & Northwestern.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see them make it under that hypothetical, even with a first-round BTT loss. I just think there are too many other competitors vying for looks to be at most 6 at-large spots that aren't yet sewn up.
I dont think it would even be close. I don't think you're appreciating how their RPI is going to rise just by PLAYING these three games. Win them, and they'd be top 35 or so. How many teams do you think have 6 top 50 wins, with 4 of them being road or neutral site wins?
 

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Does Calipari survive another NIT berth?  Cause unless something dramatically changes that's where Kentucky's heading, again.
 

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Are we on the same planet?
 
They have the exact same resume as they did last year.  One good win (Louisville) and they play in a horrible league.  They might beat Alabama but have a season-ending loss in Gainesville waiting for them.
 

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They are number THIRTEEN in RPI. And they are KENTUCKY. Do you know what the best RPI ever to not make the tournament in history is? You are seriously living in Crazytown right now.
 

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SFA moves to 27-2, winning 75-62 at Southeastern LA. They have a shot at cracking the top 25 given the crazy losses this week.
 

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I think they will too.  But it is interesting to compare this year's results with last year's.  Very similar, which surprised me.  
Resume is same, but relative to this year's field it won't have then near bubble. Lots of bad teams this year have a chance to get in.
 

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Resume is same, but relative to this year's field it won't have then near bubble. Lots of bad teams this year have a chance to get in.
 
Can you explain how the resume is the same?
 
2013:
RPI: 56  
vs top 50: 3-4
vs top 100: 7-9
vs top 150: 9-11
 
2014:
RPI: 13 (likely to end up around 25)
vs top 50: 2-4
vs top 100: 13-7
vs top 150: 15-7
 

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With Iowa State's loss that makes 8 ranked teams that have lost on the road today...yep its March.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
 
Can you explain how the resume is the same?
 
2013:
RPI: 56  
vs top 50: 3-4
vs top 100: 7-9
vs top 150: 9-11
 
2014:
RPI: 13 (likely to end up around 25)
vs top 50: 2-4
vs top 100: 13-7
vs top 150: 15-7
Sure, record is better against mid level teams is better but still not good against the good teams. They are still the underachieving team they were last year.
 

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"Resume" doesn't mean "record against top 25 teams." It means overall performance, which isn't even close to last year. This is an absolutely absurd conversation.
 

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"Resume" doesn't mean "record against top 25 teams." It means overall performance, which isn't even close to last year. This is an absolutely absurd conversation.
I agree they are better than they were last year(which still isn't great). By resume, I was talking about quality wins. Not many wins against RPI 100-150 teams are quality wins when you are Kentucky. You are expected to win those games. With all the talent they have, 7 losses against those teams is way too many. A team with UK's ability should be doing a heck of a lot better than they are. They are absolutely underachieving and I don't understand how you can't think this.
 

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7 of Kentucky's 8 losses are by 5 points or less. And for all their talent, they're still mostly freshmen and are incredibly raw. I expected them to be better but not top 5-10. It's really hard to win with this many frosh, even if a lot of them are McD AA types.
It just goes to show you that Anthony Davis and MKG were special players as freshmen.
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
I agree they are better than they were last year(which still isn't great). By resume, I was talking about quality wins. Not many wins against RPI 100-150 teams are quality wins when you are Kentucky. You are expected to win those games. With all the talent they have, 7 losses against those teams is way too many. A team with UK's ability should be doing a heck of a lot better than they are. They are absolutely underachieving and I don't understand how you can't think this.
 
I have said absolutely nothing either way about them overachieving or underachieving. What I AM saying is: (1) the idea that they might not make the tournament is so laughable that it makes the possibility of any legitimate discussion of the bubble here impossible; (2) Kentucky's tournament resume this year looks nothing like its resume last year. Last year it was a bubble team that fairly didn't make the tournament; this year, it is an absolute no-brainer that will be the better seed in its first round game.
 

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I have said absolutely nothing either way about them overachieving or underachieving. What I AM saying is: (1) the idea that they might not make the tournament is so laughable that it makes the possibility of any legitimate discussion of the bubble here impossible; (2) Kentucky's tournament resume this year looks nothing like its resume last year. Last year it was a bubble team that fairly didn't make the tournament; this year, it is an absolute no-brainer that will be the better seed in its first round game.
I have not said they don't deserve to be in either. Relax about the bubble comment too. That is one person's opinion and doesn't reflect the rest of the people here.
 

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The NIT comment was overreach but if they lose 3 of 4 heading into the SEC tourney, which is almost a certainty (and who knows if they beat Alabama) and then lose in round one of the SEC tourney, I think they rightfully end up as a 9 or 10 seed.  The committee weighs the record against RPI top 50s highly.
 

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The NIT comment was overreach but if they lose 3 of 4 heading into the SEC tourney, which is almost a certainty (and who knows if they beat Alabama) and then lose in round one of the SEC tourney, I think they rightfully end up as a 9 or 10 seed.  The committee weighs the record against RPI top 50s highly.
I will bet you $100 Kentucky makes the tournament and is better than a 9-seed.
 

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Another win over a ranked opponent for Indiana and done without Vonleh. With Nebraska and Michigan left, the Hoosiers still have a chance to go dancing if they get a couple more big wins.
 
Hoosiers probably need 3 more wins to put themselves in serious contention for a bid. Winning the their last 2 regular season game would not only give them 2 more quality wins but would also get them to 0.500 in the conference, which is something the committee usually values.
 

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Will Memphis, Cincinnati and UConn all remain in the American conference? That's not such a bad basketball conference, if so. Temple certainly has history, if they can recapture it. Brutal travel, though.
 

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Will Memphis, Cincinnati and UConn all remain in the American conference? That's not such a bad basketball conference, if so. Temple certainly has history, if they can recapture it. Brutal travel, though.
 
Where else would they go, and what incentive do any other conferences have to add them?
 
Once the ACC settled things regarding revenue sharing and exit fees, it pretty much put a halt to realignment. All other conferences (certainly those that would be a step up from the current and projected AAC membership once all moves are completed in 2015) appear satisfied and stable well into the foreseeable future. They've reached accords with any power-wielding members that have their own TV networks (ex. B12 & TEX). They've renegotiated lucrative new TV deals with national networks. They've pretty much worked things out with cable/satellite providers regarding subscriber fees and regional exposure for their conference TV networks (BTN, SEC, P12, etc). They're all rapidly building out their online streaming. And the ripest realignment fruit was already picked off the tree during the seismic shift.
 
All three of those schools have significant issues in academics, market dynamics, geographic fit and/or football prowess, no matter how much their supporters and alumni might want to believe otherwise. And that's before we get into the politics within certain conferences (ex. BC urging the ACC to kill any UConn addition). If any of them were going to be invited to new conferences, it would have already happened. When the music finally stopped, the only available chairs were next to Houston, South Florida and SMU. Sucks, but them's the breaks.
 
As for the AAC not being a bad basketball conference, bear in mind Louisville & Rutgers are both departing this summer while Tulane, Tulsa & East Carolina join. That's not exactly a net gain. The AAC is, and will continue to be, the Island of Misfit Toys. I'm just not sure which member school is Charlie in the Box.
 

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Quite the start to the 2nd half for ND...17-3 run in 5 minutes to tie game at 44 with 15 to go.
 
Edit: and then both teams go dead cold for 10 minutes.
 
Edit: and ND pisses it away with poor decision making
 

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Michigan shooting absolutely lights out early at Illinois. Seven 3-pointers in the first 12 minutes for a 15-point lead.
 

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And, the lead is 19 with 7:22 left in the first half. Ugly.
 
Illinois has held its last four opponents under 50 points. That's not going to happen tonight.
 

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The reemergence of GR3 is the most encouraging thing about this team heading into the postseason.
I'm really hoping GR3 can have McGary like emergence for the tournament . You have to love the intensity they came out for this game