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Apropos of nothing, I only realized that Gonzalo Montiel swapped Los Colchoneros for the Foresters (?) (Nottingham) since the Argentina NT announced their squad and listed the players' club.

Granted with a squad of 33 players, there's inevitably going to be a lot of "those" guys, but, I mean, c'mon! Look at these names!

Elanga
Montiel
Chris Wood
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Matt Turner
Jonjo Shelvey
Kouyate
Ethan Horvath (gotta be the first Euro club to squad two Yank keepers simultaneously)
Wayne Hennesy (also prominently featured in the Roja Directa thread)
 
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Wow Dortmund got Nicholas Fullkrug from Werder Bremen. He had 16 goals in 28 Bundesliga matches last season. That seems, is ballsy the right word, for Werder Bremen.
 
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Zososoxfan said:
Apropos of nothing, I only realized that Gonzalo Montiel swapped Los Colchoneros for the Foresters (?) (Nottingham) since the Argentina NT announced their squad and listed the players' club.

Granted with a squad of 33 players, there's inevitably going to be a lot of "those" guys, but, I mean, c'mon! Look at these names!

Elanga
Montiel
Chris Wood
Aurier
Matt Turner
Jonjo Shelvey
Kouyate
Ethan Horvath (gotta be the first Euro club to squad two Yank keepers simultaneously)
Wayne Hennesy (also prominently featured in the Roja Directa thread)
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Sevilla did whatever they could to rid themselves of the World Cup hero after some pretty awful sexual assault allegations came out this summer. I’m surprised they found a taker as there was almost no chance a La Liga team would take him. He hasn’t been formally charged and may very well be found not guilty should he be charged, but seeing what Celta Vigo have been going through with Santi Mina, no team in Spain was touching him, not to mention the Rubiales situation.
 
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Sevilla did whatever they could to rid themselves of the World Cup hero after some pretty awful sexual assault allegations came out this summer. I’m surprised they found a taker as there was almost no chance a La Liga team would take him. He hasn’t been formally charged and may very well be found not guilty should he be charged, but seeing what Celta Vigo have been going through with Santi Mina, no team in Spain was touching him, not to mention the Rubiales situation.
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Oh shit, I had no idea. The Athletic has a pretty good article on it, and basically says Montiel is under investigation but he hasn't been charged yet.
 
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Zososoxfan said:
Apropos of nothing, I only realized that Gonzalo Montiel swapped Los Colchoneros for the Foresters (?) (Nottingham) since the Argentina NT announced their squad and listed the players' club.
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Apropos of equally little, it's 'Reds' or 'Tricky Trees' to their fans, and 'Red dogs' to their detractors.
 
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Alex Iwobi to Fulham.22M. Good business. Would have lost him for nothing next season. Will miss his attitude and his ability to run right at defenders. Will not miss his errant shots and passes.
 
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Liverpool putting themselves in a position where they are turning down 150-175m for Salah bc there’s no time to get a replacement is malpractice of the highest order. If the possibility of kind of deal was out there, they should have figured that out and worked on it all summer. There’s an alternate universe where they do this deal two weeks ago and use the money to buy an attacker like Kvaradona plus an elite young CB.
 
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The logic behind not selling Salah now would be that since you are selling him to the Saudis, who may not really care if Salah is a tiny bit washed after the end of this season, the offer will be there next year. Salah and Benzema are the two most famous Arab players in the world, and it's not really important how much value they are getting out of the signing.
 
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Apropos of equally little, it's 'Reds' or 'Tricky Trees' to their fans, and 'Red dogs' to their detractors.
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I like the Tricky Trees! I also use Red Dog derogatorily, but mostly in the beer context.

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I'm definitely going to cringe at the price, and if they're bringing him to backup the wings then why did they buy Solomon earlier in the summer? I was unimpressed with Solomon against FFC but he had a very good preseason. I'd say about the same for Perisic too.
 
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Perisic is not a long term solution for anything, Solomon is probably below the level and was really just a target of opportunity.

Johnson might also be below the level, we'll see there, but he's homegrown, bagged 8 goals on a bad EPL team last year and 16 on a good Championship team the year before that, so who knows?
 
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Perisic is not a long term solution for anything, Solomon is probably below the level and was really just a target of opportunity.

Johnson might also be below the level, we'll see there, but he's homegrown, bagged 8 goals on a bad EPL team last year and 16 on a good Championship team the year before that, so who knows?
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Good point re homegrown, that was becoming more and more of a problem.

Re Solomon and opportunity buying--that shit has gotten the club into bad logjams recently (see: Spence, Djed). They haven't learned apparently.

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Forrest played a strong hand - nice fee plus 10% sell on.
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Forest like the trees, not the Gump! But yeah, terrific business from them. Selling from a bloated squad no less.

Spurs transfer biz is some real Jeckyl and Hyde shit.
 
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Joao Felix to Barcelona, which is what Felix wanted the entire time — he said that it is his dream to play for Barca. I don’t really understand Barca’s move to let Ansu Fati go and bring in Felix. Maybe Xavi didn’t really like Fati or someone above Xavi really wanted Felix. In any case, Felix will really need to improve his ability to play both ways and put in the defensive effort thar Xavi wants. Under Simeone and then at Chelsea, Felix impressed with skill but lost his place on the squads since he seemed either unwilling or incapable of playing effectively both ways.

This form of Atleti is better without Felix, but it is still a lost opportunity for all — especially considering how important Felix was to Atlético winning the title two (or three?) ago.
 
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The logic behind not selling Salah now would be that since you are selling him to the Saudis, who may not really care if Salah is a tiny bit washed after the end of this season, the offer will be there next year. Salah and Benzema are the two most famous Arab players in the world, and it's not really important how much value they are getting out of the signing.
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Could be. But they have been pretty reasonable with the fees they offer clubs in general. They got Benzema for free and Salah will only have one year left next summer so I doubt they offer anywhere near 150m. And that’s assuming he doesn’t hurt his knee or fall off a cliff performance-wise.
 
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Joao Felix to Barcelona, which is what Felix wanted the entire time — he said that it is his dream to play for Barca. I don’t really understand Barca’s move to let Ansu Fati go and bring in Felix. Maybe Xavi didn’t really like Fati or someone above Xavi really wanted Felix. In any case, Felix will really need to improve his ability to play both ways and put in the defensive effort thar Xavi wants. Under Simeone and then at Chelsea, Felix impressed with skill but lost his place on the squads since he seemed either unwilling or incapable of playing effectively both ways.

This form of Atleti is better without Felix, but it is still a lost opportunity for all — especially considering how important Felix was to Atlético winning the title two (or three?) ago.
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Not seeing much news about Felix. Any links?

Cancelo looks to be deciding between Bayern (wasn't he there last year, and it didn't go that well?) and Barca. Saw a report that Garcia going to Girona (a City Group club) is a factor in getting Cancelo to Catalunya. This shit is wild.
 
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Just hearing on the TalkSport deadline day show that Spurs are confident of getting Connor Gallagher for around £40M by the end of the window.

Increased confidence due to the Chalobah deal not happening as the German window is now shut.

View: https://twitter.com/alex_crook/status/1697648135869252059?s=20


Palhinha to Bayern is off, Fulham unable to source a replacement and as above German window is closed.

Mandeep Sanghera BBC Sport

With fears that the Joao Palhinha deal from Fulham to Bayern Munich has collapsed, Liverpool fans might fear that could mean fellow midfielder Ryan Gravenberch's move to the Reds from the German club could be in danger.

However, from my understanding it will not have an impact and Netherlands international Gravenberch is still set to joins the Reds for £34.3m (40m euros).
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/66672288
 
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Zososoxfan said:
Funny that it's not popping up much elsewhere. Outside of Fab Romano, it's funny how pan-European football transfer coverage is so spotty. You have club-specific reporters that do good work as well, but this Felix transfer is an example of what I'm talking about.
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Agreed. I think there's 10% chance -- maybe even a bit higher? -- that this transaction does not happen. I read somewhere, maybe Marca, that Barca still has some financial maneuvers to make to be able to sign/register Cancelo and Felix. So, it's not done yet. At all.
 
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Liverpool putting themselves in a position where they are turning down 150-175m for Salah bc there’s no time to get a replacement is malpractice of the highest order. If the possibility of kind of deal was out there, they should have figured that out and worked on it all summer. There’s an alternate universe where they do this deal two weeks ago and use the money to buy an attacker like Kvaradona plus an elite young CB.
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I dunno tough to blame Liverpool. It was only a few weeks ago that his own agent publicly said that Salah is staying at Liverpool and doesn't want to go anywhere. I guess they could have foreseen that a Saudi club would offer to make Salah the highest paid player in the world but you're trying to get back into the Champions League with your best player, who has said he wants to stay, and possibly because of that, Saudi didn't seem to make any real attempt to get him until recently.

At this point, you're basically punting on your top 4 chances if you sell because there is zero chance of an even adequate replacement this late. So turning down 175M isn't as crazy thanks to all the revenue they'd surely lose out on from European football.
 
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Funny that it's not popping up much elsewhere. Outside of Fab Romano, it's funny how pan-European football transfer coverage is so spotty. You have club-specific reporters that do good work as well, but this Felix transfer is an example of what I'm talking about.
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I’ll be shocked if Barca land both Cancelo and Felix. The club were still waiting on some of that “lever” money (which has been delayed now for a year) to even get Cancelo, and they have to restructure that deal as well removing the purchase obligation. Laporta and another board member had to put up like €20 million of their own money in place of that “lever” money to make the deal happen. Moving Garcia wouldn’t seem to clear enough FFP space to bag Felix. I would guess my boy Abde would be sold at a discount as well. Rumors are that Xavi doesn’t want Felix. The club is a year away from clearing out a bunch of contracts but seem intent on bringing in players that don’t really fit a cohesive and coherent plan.

Atleti would be in great shape if this happens. Barca are a club in transition and Madrid have massive injuries. If Atleti are close to the top of La Liga come January, they can snag a difference maker for the home stretch.
 
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Fabrizio was on the Lineker/Shearer/Richards “The rest is football” podcast. He said that instagram changed his approach. Players now reach out directly to him for info. The man is a machine.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/here-we-go-fabrizio-romano-takes-us-inside-the-world/id1701022490?i=1000626398691
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Every time I've seen him interviewed about his own work/career rather than the subject matter he reports upon, it's clear that the secret to his success is incredibly simple: he's honest, isn't trying to get attention on himself, checks his facts before reporting them, and is thus known as someone through whom you get news out, rather than a leverage point for conducting negotiations through the media. I'm sure it's hard to initially learn all the tricks that managers and sporting directors play on reporters, but once you're wise to them and remain steadfast about not playing their games, it's amazing how simple it is. Yeah it's a lot of work, clearly he must love it, but the difference between him and the legions of idiots is basically honesty and ego.

The number of reporters who are willing to be played or used in exchange for money or attention is shocking (not unknown in the US, obviously, but feels like far fewer / less egregious). And the number of times Fab has been embarrassed by his sources, I can count on one hand - the Tyler Adams / Chelsea business being the only one in the last year or two that I can think of. Nobody screws over Fab, because Fab doesn't screw over anyone (or get too opinionated).
 
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I dunno tough to blame Liverpool. It was only a few weeks ago that his own agent publicly said that Salah is staying at Liverpool and doesn't want to go anywhere. I guess they could have foreseen that a Saudi club would offer to make Salah the highest paid player in the world but you're trying to get back into the Champions League with your best player, who has said he wants to stay, and possibly because of that, Saudi didn't seem to make any real attempt to get him until recently.

At this point, you're basically punting on your top 4 chances if you sell because there is zero chance of an even adequate replacement this late. So turning down 175M isn't as crazy thanks to all the revenue they'd surely lose out on from European football.
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I have a hard time believing they didn't know this was a real possibility for most of the summer. So much information is exchanged behind the scenes that is never publicly reported and, as you say, the logic of Saudia Arabia pursuing Salah was pretty clear.

This is a 31-year-old winger, the position with the steepest decline curve in football, playing in the Premier League, the league that is the toughest in the world on players over age 30. And its a club that has been claiming that finances are tight for a while. If you have the chance to sell him for 150, 175, 200m you do everything possible to make it happen and to do so on a timescale that allows you to use the money well in the market.

For me the one x-factor is Klopp. If he told FSG something along the lines of "if Salah goes, I go too" then its less clear cut. But I'm not sure Klopp would have done that, at least if promised that he'd have 150-200m more to spend on new players.
 
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I have a hard time believing they didn't know this was a real possibility for most of the summer. So much information is exchanged behind the scenes that is never publicly reported and, as you say, the logic of Saudia Arabia pursuing Salah was pretty clear.

This is a 31-year-old winger, the position with the steepest decline curve in football, playing in the Premier League, the league that is the toughest in the world on players over age 30. And its a club that has been claiming that finances are tight for a while. If you have the chance to sell him for 150, 175, 200m you do everything possible to make it happen and to do so on a timescale that allows you to use the money well in the market.

For me the one x-factor is Klopp. If he told FSG something along the lines of "if Salah goes, I go too" then its less clear cut. But I'm not sure Klopp would have done that, at least if promised that he'd have 150-200m more to spend on new players.
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Well, the reported offers so far are far below the estimated £150-175m they would need in order to countenance it. I wouldn’t sell him now for £120m as he means far too much to the club - on and off the field.

You basically do a Coutinho or Suarez deal with him - give us one final year and then you can go.

To tell the truth I think they’d have a harder time replacing him off the field - all that sweet marketing revenue - than on . No Salah opens the opportunity for regular minutes for Nunez or Jota.

The offer is going to have to be gargantuan to agree to sell him - it may very well will be forthcoming.
 
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The Athletic has reported Callum Hudson-Odoi to Forest for £3m+. Rumours were Chelsea could have sold him to Bayern three years ago for £70m. Kind of an epic fail for Chelsea’s management.

https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-deadline-day-latest-updates/Xx2FTZkPU2Lo/cGFfn6QzfvM2/

I guess this is what happens when you sign 57 new players - the existing prospects are left to whither and die.

Speaking of Forest it looks like they’re signing Dvock Origi

https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-deadline-day-latest-updates/Xx2FTZkPU2Lo/7xgKW0Jk38jg/
 
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Well, the reported offers so far are far below the estimated £150-175m they would need in order to countenance it. I wouldn’t sell him now for £120m as he means far too much to the club - on and off the field.

You basically do a Coutinho or Suarez deal with him - give us one final year and then you can go.

To tell the truth I think they’d have a harder time replacing him off the field - all that sweet marketing revenue - than on . No Salah opens the opportunity for regular minutes for Nunez or Jota.

The offer is going to have to be gargantuan to agree to sell him - it may very well will be forthcoming.
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I don't know... have Jota or Nunez ever played on the right? Or Gakpo or Diaz? You'd think at least one of them would be able to figure it out and be effective but we don't really know. Beyond Salah just being one of the best in the world, he simply never misses games. That's tough to replace on the field, especially with Diaz/Jota's injury history.
 
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ehaz said:
I don't know... have Jota or Nunez ever played on the right? Or Gakpo or Diaz? You'd think at least one of them would be able to figure it out and be effective but we don't really know. Beyond Salah just being one of the best in the world, he simply never misses games. That's tough to replace on the field, especially with Diaz/Jota's injury history.
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Nunez was playing in the (sort of) right last week at Newcastle - with , I would say excellent results.

Jota has played there occasionally - I think when Salah/Mane have been away at the African Cup of Nations
 
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Amrabat to United done per Fab. €10m loan fee, option to buy at €20m plus €5m in add ons.

Have to admit I’m a bit jealous that ManU can get to cheer this guy on. Guy made himself into a legend at the WC.
 
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congrats on getting out of Maupay
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the shame is, when Beto came on in the last 15 of Evertons cup tie on Wednesday, there was a glimpse of how it could have worked with Maupay playing off a big classic 9 like DCL instead of trying to replace him. All kinds of tricky stuff running at goal. Assisted on Danjuma game winner. A better creator and disrupt or as a presser than a finisher. Can’t excuse his god-awful finishing record but also not his fault they tried to feed him the same way they were set up to service the best header of the ball for goals in the prem on DCL, and he’s 5 foot 4.
 
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Sergio Ramos is going to Sevilla. He had offers elsewhere but decided to go home. Also, Eric Garcia stayed in Catalunya, moving northeast to Girona from Barcelona.
 
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