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Kraft Charged with Soliciting

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by Hoya81, Feb 22, 2019.

  1. Rovin Romine

    Rovin Romine Johnny Rico Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    As a general thread FYI, the purpose of a misdemeanor arraignment (in FL) is to inform the defendant of the charges against them and to enter the defendant's plea into the record. An attorney can stand in.

    As for what it looks like in real life, usually, the court will just call one case after another off the list of cases that are going to be heard that day. That list is informally called a "calendar" of cases, although some places might call it a daily docket of cases. When called, the parties, or their attorneys go to the podiums. The state announces on the record what charges they are filing, or if they have decided to decline prosecution, or if they're binding up the charges to a felony, or any other procedural resolution (transfer to Juvie, transfer to special prosecutor.) The defense will often waive the formal reading of the charges. (In fact, I can only recall twice that I insisted the charges be read into the record.)

    If the defendant is unrepresented when called, the court inquires as to whether counsel should be appointed (and counsel will be if the defendant is indigent and the state is seeking jail time in the case). The case is passed to later on the calendar. After the appointment an attorney, the case is passed to later on the calendar. When called again (hopefully after enough time for a quick consultation) the defendant is asked to enter a plea, which is traditionally Not Guilty. If a defendant is pro se, or does not qualify for the public defender, the court routinely just enters a NG plea on their behalf. Often the just-appointed attorney will have to enter a NG plea as their client is whisper-demanding, Wait, what are you doing? What's going on? at their elbow. You also demand discovery (the state usually has something in the file to give you), and demand a trial by jury.

    The state will often have a plea offer that they will convey to the defense for the first time. If there's a chance the defendant will take the offer, the court is told that an offer needs to be conveyed and the case is (again) passed to be recalled later on the calendar. But, obviously it's best practice to simply do due diligence and review the case before your client takes any deal. So some judges will just set a trial date regardless.

    The setting of a future trial date usually ends the arraignment. The trial date is more of a placeholder than anything - many FL county courts will set 30 cases for trial on the same day, knowing they can try one, maybe two cases across the whole week. In the meantime, some of those cases will plea out (the attorneys just calendar them to take the plea after the arrangement calendar.) Other cases will need continuances beyond the trial date. Some cases will be subject to speedy trial demands, and some won't. Usually a courtroom will end up with 0-7 cases that could be tried on any given trial day. Some of those resolve, some get continued for different reasons, and some actually get tried. Usually, it's the older cases, cases with speedy trial issues, or cases with limited witness availability that get tried first.

    So, no. Kraft does not have to show.

    And no, whatever his trial date is set for very likely won't be the actual trial date, whether he wants to plea or try it.
     
  2. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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    Thanks, RR – the article from CBS Boston was poorly written but the tweet that I posted with the quote from Kraft’s lawyer helped clarify. That all makes sense. I just would’ve expected the author of the piece to have a better idea that the big all caps “THE DEFENDANT MUST SHOW IN PERSON” is actually just pro-forma stuff than, say, me. But appreciate the explanation.
     
  3. Myt1

    Myt1 the FRESH maker Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yes.

    Was at the other Jesuit law school for a conference yesterday. Ad maiorem dei gloriam was prominently displayed.
     
  4. Rovin Romine

    Rovin Romine Johnny Rico Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Not casting any stones, but whenever I run into legal latin, I am reminded of a professor who would routinely add, And there's some latin name for that, go look it up on your own time and memorize it if you want to impress the gullible. Always makes me smile.
     
  5. joe dokes

    joe dokes Member SoSH Member

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    A professor once told us that "gullible" was not in the dictionary.
     
  6. Jimbodandy

    Jimbodandy Member SoSH Member

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    They say the same thing in seminary.
     
  7. simplyeric

    simplyeric aggressively nonsensical SoSH Member

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    I thought that’s what Marciano always said the first time a new girlfriend of his unzipped his pants.
     
  8. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    My penis has a German name.
     
  9. Myt1

    Myt1 the FRESH maker Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I always stuck up my nose when they’d pronounce shit with Church Latin. We ain’t chanting, here.
     
  10. Myt1

    Myt1 the FRESH maker Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    O-S-C-A-R?
     
  11. edoug

    edoug Member SoSH Member

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    Always trying to invade Nether-lands.
     
  12. simplyeric

    simplyeric aggressively nonsensical SoSH Member

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    Tip of the spear.

    Siegfried or Roy?

    All I can picture is Marciano as the little boy from the commercial back in the day.
     
  13. bankshot1

    bankshot1 Member SoSH Member

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    I'm not sure why in a thread about a Kraft happy ending, Jurgen Hoff comes to mind.
     
    #1063 bankshot1, Mar 7, 2019
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  14. Doug Beerabelli

    Doug Beerabelli Killer Threads Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  15. Pandarama

    Pandarama lurker

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    Bad Kissingen?
     
  16. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    Damn that’s good.
     
  17. edoug

    edoug Member SoSH Member

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    Thanks
     
  18. Bellhorn

    Bellhorn Lumiere SoSH Member

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    Bundchen
     
  19. Mooch

    Mooch Member SoSH Member

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    Aaaand.... OF COURSE there's a Trump connection to this whole thing. Because we do indeed live in the strangest fucking timeline:

    https://t.co/CqsNwdNRqB
     
  20. doctormoist

    doctormoist Member SoSH Member

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  21. doctormoist

    doctormoist Member SoSH Member

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    As always, gotta keep on your toes with this group...
     
  22. simplyeric

    simplyeric aggressively nonsensical SoSH Member

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    Who introduced who?
    Remember when there was "some other big name" associated with this?
    WTF?
     
  23. djbayko

    djbayko Member SoSH Member

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    My guess is it’s the other way around. Kraft gifted the woman who hugs him and takes care of his Johnson on a daily basis tickets to watch the SB at Trump’s club.

    I’m not even sure if I’d want it to be the way you’re implying. After Stormy, a consensual hand job makes no difference to Trump’s legacy. It only serves to keep the Patriots in the news longer.
     
  24. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    #1074 Ed Hillel, Mar 8, 2019
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  25. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    If you're a lurker about to make only your 69th post in drive-by fashion, this is how to do it folks.
     
  26. YTF

    YTF Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I never met her...I hardly know her....she was a very low level stiffer.
     
  27. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    "Judge, those bills were for her to pay for the baggage fees at the airport."
     
  28. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Especially if you listened to the Dan Patrick radio show yesterday
     
  29. InsideTheParker

    InsideTheParker Member SoSH Member

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    Love this:
     
  30. simplyeric

    simplyeric aggressively nonsensical SoSH Member

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    If this turns out to actually involve trafficking (where does that stand now?) and Trump is also caught up in that, that could be somewhat different for Trump.
    (no, not his "base". His base is sunk cost)
     
  31. simplyeric

    simplyeric aggressively nonsensical SoSH Member

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    Did Mr. Patrick make his 69th post yesterday?

    This makes Gronk happy.
     
  32. djbayko

    djbayko Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah, I just don’t put much stock in the trafficking claim, at least for this ownership, given the evidence we’ve seen so far. Every prostitution sting these days is labeled “trafficking” because it gets funding, headlines, and politicians re-elected.

    Edit: I am aware that they started this investigation after they saw signs of people living there. But those signs are also possibly evidence of people who work long hours and sometimes have long periods between customers.
     
    #1082 djbayko, Mar 8, 2019
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  33. YTF

    YTF Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    [​IMG]
     
  34. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    No. No it doesn't mean that at all.
     
  35. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    If that’s what happened, it better. Unless you’re cool with human trafficking or believe it’s a coincidence Kraft ended up at the same establishment that woman owns.

    I mean, I guess it’s possible it’s a coincidence...though one possibility is Trump knew it was trafficking and Kraft didn’t I guess. That would be...good?

    If not, just give ownership to Jonathan.
     
  36. phrenile

    phrenile Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Owned. She reportedly sold it in 2013.
     
  37. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I am not going to dignify your first comment with a reply.

    And I doubt Trump cares or told Kraft that there was trafficking. Just that it was a good place to go to get your rocks off.
     
  38. LoweTek

    LoweTek Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The spa in which Kraft got his services has not been implicated, nor charged, with any trafficking. The only trafficking charge coming out of this investigation is for an entirely unrelated spa and evidence is weak at best.

    Any implication Kraft had any connection to trafficking or continued media references such as "part of a trafficking operation," are sensationalism at best, poor 'journalism' at worst.
     
  39. reggiecleveland

    reggiecleveland sublime Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Didn't she sell the spa Kraft was at?
     
  40. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Legally, yes, she sold that one. Whether or not she still has an interest in that location or the others that were sold would be extremely difficult to determine
     
  41. reggiecleveland

    reggiecleveland sublime Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I am no fan of the republicans or Kraft for that matter, but the link between this woman and the trafficking seems weak.
     
  42. ifmanis5

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    Yang had been peddling access to Trump: https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-chinese-execs-access-to-trump-at-mar-a-lago/

     
  43. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    https://www.telegram.com/news/20190...in-2012-now-involved-in-kraft-florida-scandal

    30 days in jail WTF!?
     
    #1093 Ed Hillel, Mar 9, 2019
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  44. soxhop411

    soxhop411 Member SoSH Member

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  45. Mooch

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  46. Stuffy McInnis

    Stuffy McInnis Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Details from behind the paywall:

    The proposed deferred prosecution agreement calls for completion of an education course about prostitution, completion of 100 hours of community service, screening for sexually transmitted diseases and payment of some court costs.

    But in an unusual provision, the agreement also calls for the defendants to review the evidence in the case and agree that, if it were to go to trial, the state would be able to prove their guilt, this person said. It isn’t clear whether Mr. Kraft and others would accept such a condition. When the charges were announced, a spokesman for Mr. Kraft denied he engaged in illegal activity.​
     
  47. snowmanny

    snowmanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    What if he pays the fine and does the community service but the prosecution says he would have been found not guilty?
     
  48. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    Forget the fine or the nolo plea, I want to see Robert Kraft out on a highway median, picking up trash.
     
  49. PedroKsBambino

    PedroKsBambino Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Really like to hear Rovin Romine's take on how common this type of offer is---as I read the article it is not quite nolo or Alford. What would be the reason for prosecution to offer this specific deal at this point?
     
  50. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Sounds like BS condition of entering the diversion program. If you have to admit guilt then you flunk out of the program, can they use that admission on the reinstated prosecution of the charge? Been a while for me in that game, so I'm curious to hear what RR has to say as well. Back in the day, diversion programs (small scale stuff) was a money/fine grab by the city/county/etc.
     

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