Don't be. August 4th:Coachster said:I'm a little nervous that Ronald Belisario is about to be our closer.
The way this season is going it's probably Breslow.Hee Sox Choi said:Don't be. August 4th:
The Red Sox have released reliever Ronald Belisario, the clubs Triple-A affiliate announced on Twitter.
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:Well, that sucks
jscola85 said:
Eh, it sucks for Koji but this will open up a roster spot for someone like Hembree, Aro or Layne to prove they belong as part of the 2016 bullpen. And if they go up in flames, we at least end up with a higher draft pick and have more clarity that the bullpen will be a big need to upgrade in the offseason.
I know, but I always enjoy watching him pitch and it was one of the few reliably good things in this dumpster fire of a seasonjscola85 said:
Eh, it sucks for Koji but this will open up a roster spot for someone like Hembree, Aro or Layne to prove they belong as part of the 2016 bullpen. And if they go up in flames, we at least end up with a higher draft pick and have more clarity that the bullpen will be a big need to upgrade in the offseason.
I don't think more clarity on that point is possible. But sure, trying to determine if there are any keepers in the group should be the priority.jscola85 said:Eh, it sucks for Koji but this will open up a roster spot for someone like Hembree, Aro or Layne to prove they belong as part of the 2016 bullpen. And if they go up in flames, we at least end up with a higher draft pick and have more clarity that the bullpen will be a big need to upgrade in the offseason.
Really? You're not enjoying EdRod? Xander isn't giving you any pleasure? JBJ's over-the-shoulder catch and triple/home run yesterday was pure misery? Mookie's no fun at all? Henry Owens' first win was nothing to you? Rusney's .819 OPS since his latest callup is just something to be stuck with? You don't take any pleasure at all in watching a 30-year-old knuckleballer make Yankees look stupid?DennyDoyle'sBoil said:I'm with BMHH -- while I can rationalize the aspects of having Koji take the rest of the season off, watching him and Papi were about all that I enjoyed this year. Two months is a long time to be stuck with this bunch.
iayork said:Really? You're not enjoying EdRod? Xander isn't giving you any pleasure? JBJ's over-the-shoulder catch and triple/home run yesterday was pure misery? Mookie's no fun at all? Henry Owens' first win was nothing to you? Rusney's .819 OPS since his latest callup is just something to be stuck with? You don't take any pleasure at all in watching a 30-year-old knuckleballer make Yankees look stupid?
If the only reason you follow baseball is to count the wins, then you're kind of missing out on a lot of fun.
BeantownIdaho said:The next two months should be an unofficial try-out for the future closer role. Why not use this time when it doesn't matter to see what some of the younger kids have in the tank for the 9th inning.
Baseball is stupid. I hate baseball.DaveRoberts'Shoes said:I know, but I always enjoy watching him pitch and it was one of the few reliably good things in this dumpster fire of a season
I've heard that somewhere before...There is no Rev said:Baseball is stupid. I hate baseball.
Rasputin said:
Because that's a terrible way to break in new pitchers.
No it isn't. If you're too warped and bitter to just watch a game and enjoy it, maybe you should just pretend baseball doesn't exist until late February.Plympton91 said:
It's also obvious that none of them have anything close to the stuff necessary to pitch high leverage innings.
I've actually become really excited about watching Red Sox baseball for the next 6 weeks—they have a golden opportunity to learn a bunch that they otherwise might not have. It's likely they'll make a bunch of good, informed player evaluations over this stretch that they otherwise might not have made. In a way, this season's failure is golden for a team with this many hi-level prospects.Plympton91 said:
It's also obvious that none of them have anything close to the stuff necessary to pitch high leverage innings. We don't need to watch them torch starts by Owens, Wright, and Rodriguez to figure that out. That's what scouts are for.
I keep saying this season can't get any worse, and then it does.
As for Ian's list of silver linings, yeah, great. Those will happen without me wasting perfectly awesome late summer and fall evenings in front of a television set watching a team going nowhere.
Rasputin said:
Because that's a terrible way to break in new pitchers.
Even good prospects have an adjustment period when transitioning to the majors. Doing that with the game on the line is a great way to make them think more about the results than the process. They need to think about the process.Danny_Darwin said:
What makes you say this?
Didn't a lot of us say this last August? And August of 2012?catomatic said:I've actually become really excited about watching Red Sox baseball for the next 6 weeks—they have a golden opportunity to learn a bunch that they otherwise might not have. It's likely they'll make a bunch of good, informed player evaluations over this stretch that they otherwise might not have made. In a way, this season's failure is golden for a team with this many hi-level prospects.
I disagree. It's garbage time. Meaningless games with no pressure against soon to be expanded rosters and, especially for relievers with mediocre stuff, a basically meaningless sample size.catomatic said:I've actually become really excited about watching Red Sox baseball for the next 6 weeksthey have a golden opportunity to learn a bunch that they otherwise might not have. It's likely they'll make a bunch of good, informed player evaluations over this stretch that they otherwise might not have made. In a way, this season's failure is golden for a team with this many hi-level prospects.
Rasputin said:
Because that's a terrible way to break in new pitchers.
Since the season is not on the line and it's one of many games left to get a look at players, I think this is the optimum time for them to focus on process rather than results - since in the big picture of this season the results are not as meaningful. When the rosters expand bring up some late innings guys and see what they can do in the 9th. Let's see what Taz, Layne, Ross or even Joe Kelly could do in the 9th. Putting Breslow out there in the 9th for every save opportunity isn't going to better this team for the future.Rasputin said:Even good prospects have an adjustment period when transitioning to the majors. Doing that with the game on the line is a great way to make them think more about the results than the process. They need to think about the process.
Yeah, and the next year they won the series in 2013 - seems credible for 2012.the1andonly3003 said:Didn't a lot of us say this last August? And August of 2012?
Yeah, and?the1andonly3003 said:Didn't a lot of us say this last August? And August of 2012?
Rasputin said:Yeah, and?
Absolutely. This is the silver lining in a disappointing season. And let's see who steps up to play spoiler against teams fighting for the playoffs.catomatic said:I've actually become really excited about watching Red Sox baseball for the next 6 weeks—they have a golden opportunity to learn a bunch that they otherwise might not have. It's likely they'll make a bunch of good, informed player evaluations over this stretch that they otherwise might not have made. In a way, this season's failure is golden for a team with this many hi-level prospects.
X10.....ah the good ol' days of two years ago.geoduck no quahog said:
Yep. Seems like there's a lot of people here that would be happier as Yankee fans.
And I'll take the shit from anyone who that pisses off.
"wahhh! my team isn't winning...baseball sucks because there's nothing to watch unless my team is winning...you old fucks with your nostalgia of the old fucking days should just go and die because maybe you were still happy even though your teams wasn't winning...whahhh! but we pay really high prices to watch this team and it's owned by spoiled rich guys who are obliged to give us a winning team and if they don't win you can take your baseballs and shove them up your rookie's asses...there are no other teams to follow because if they're not my winning team baseball sucks"
Feel free to criticize decisions and how money is spent and how the manager sucks and what losers some folks are, but don't turn around and be bitter fucking babies if things don't work out. It's still a beautiful sport. It's still summertime, and Jack Daniels still does its trick.
catomatic said:I've actually become really excited about watching Red Sox baseball for the next 6 weeks—they have a golden opportunity to learn a bunch that they otherwise might not have. It's likely they'll make a bunch of good, informed player evaluations over this stretch that they otherwise might not have made. In a way, this season's failure is golden for a team with this many hi-level prospects.
Amen .. Genuflecting to the most awesome post in the past four months. The entitlement around here is off the charts.geoduck no quahog said:Yep. Seems like there's a lot of people here that would be happier as Yankee fans.
And I'll take the shit from anyone who that pisses off.
"wahhh! my team isn't winning...baseball sucks because there's nothing to watch unless my team is winning...you old fucks with your nostalgia of the old fucking days should just go and die because maybe you were still happy even though your teams wasn't winning...whahhh! but we pay really high prices to watch this team and it's owned by spoiled rich guys who are obliged to give us a winning team and if they don't win you can take your baseballs and shove them up your rookie's asses...there are no other teams to follow because if they're not my winning team baseball sucks"
Feel free to criticize decisions and how money is spent and how the manager sucks and what losers some folks are, but don't turn around and be bitter fucking babies if things don't work out. It's still a beautiful sport. It's still summertime, and Jack Daniels still does its trick.
guess what, most of the players on that 2013 team are no longer playing in Boston and never became the futureBeantownIdaho said:Yeah, and the next year they won the series in 2013 - seems credible for 2012.
I. Will. Not. Be. Shamed.geoduck no quahog said:Yep. Seems like there's a lot of people here that would be happier as Yankee fans.
And I'll take the shit from anyone who that pisses off.
"wahhh! my team isn't winning...baseball sucks because there's nothing to watch unless my team is winning...you old fucks with your nostalgia of the old fucking days should just go and die because maybe you were still happy even though your teams wasn't winning...whahhh! but we pay really high prices to watch this team and it's owned by spoiled rich guys who are obliged to give us a winning team and if they don't win you can take your baseballs and shove them up your rookie's asses...there are no other teams to follow because if they're not my winning team baseball sucks"
Feel free to criticize decisions and how money is spent and how the manager sucks and what losers some folks are, but don't turn around and be bitter fucking babies if things don't work out. It's still a beautiful sport. It's still summertime, and Jack Daniels still does its trick.
Nor were they supposed to. Gomes, Vic, Nap, did you really think these guys were the future? Salty? David Ross?the1andonly3003 said:guess what, most of the players on that 2013 team are no longer playing in Boston and never became the future
How are six weeks of evaluations going to help make good, informed decisions? History is littered with guys who had a hot month-plus and then did nothing or had a terrible start and then went on to fine careers.catomatic said:I've actually become really excited about watching Red Sox baseball for the next 6 weeks—they have a golden opportunity to learn a bunch that they otherwise might not have. It's likely they'll make a bunch of good, informed player evaluations over this stretch that they otherwise might not have made. In a way, this season's failure is golden for a team with this many hi-level prospects.
Super Nomario said:How are six weeks of evaluations going to help make good, informed decisions? History is littered with guys who had a hot month-plus and then did nothing or had a terrible start and then went on to fine careers.
The Sox have one more game against the Yankees than against the Blue Jays. That makes Koji's absence, which makes Red Sox losses much more likely, favor the Yankees.E5 Yaz said:
I agree with this, except for the word "likely." We can hope they do this.
For me, the worst type of team to follow is the 75-81 win type of team -- not very good, not truly bad, just bleh. So this team is worth following, particularly is they can help knock the Yankees out of a playoff spot
Bingo.Super Nomario said:How are six weeks of evaluations going to help make good, informed decisions? History is littered with guys who had a hot month-plus and then did nothing or had a terrible start and then went on to fine careers.