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joe dokes said:
 
Those are good points. Smoltz also had 3 good years as a starter after his closer days.
They're close; and while I'm not certain that Smoltz is HoF caliber, I think the fact that he put in 17 full-and-good seasons puts him slightly ahead of Schilling, who had several cut-short seasons. (quick and dirty: Smoltz had 9 30-start seasons and 3 29's; schilling had 7 30's, a 29 and 2 26s.)
And while he wasn't quite Schilling's post-season equal, he was pretty damn good.
 
You have a pretty tiny Hall if you don't think Smoltz or Schilling are up to snuff.
 

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Dummy Hoy said:
 
You have a pretty tiny Hall if you don't think Smoltz or Schilling are up to snuff.
 
I don't mind if someone believes in a small HOF, but the voters move the goal posts on what is and isn't a hall of fame player too much for me. I understand the voting body changes with time, but there is a big gulf in logic when Bobby Grich was one and done on the ballot and Biggio gets in on his 3rd year. 
 

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Dummy Hoy said:
 
You have a pretty tiny Hall if you don't think Smoltz or Schilling are up to snuff.
 
Could be.  Never thought of it that way, but I might be a small hall kind of guy.
I dont think either is a slam dunk; but Smoltz is more deserving than Schilling. (I also dont care enough about the H of F to get steamed if both get in.) 
 

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joe dokes said:
Could be.  Never thought of it that way, but I might be a small hall kind of guy.
I dont think either is a slam dunk; but Smoltz is more deserving than Schilling. (I also dont care enough about the H of F to get steamed if both get in.)
Yeah, wasn't trying to be critical about it...I disagree strongly, but feel there's a lot of room for nuance with the Hall.
 

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I turned on the radio today and it was set to EEI and they were talking about the shooting in Paris.  Before I switched I heard them ask Callahan if he'd ever been there.
"No. And there are at least fifty places I haven't been that I'd rather visit than Paris."  
 
It is true the golf sucks, but god they are insufferable.
 

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I turned on the radio today and it was set to EEI and they were talking about the shooting in Paris.  Before I switched I heard them ask Callahan if he'd ever been there.
"No. And there are at least fifty places I haven't been that I'd rather visit than Paris."  
 
It is true the golf sucks, but god they are insufferable.
To be fair to Callahan it was Dennis who said that. Gerry had been to Paris and didn't really like it.
 

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snowmanny said:
I turned on the radio today and it was set to EEI and they were talking about the shooting in Paris.  Before I switched I heard them ask Callahan if he'd ever been there.
"No. And there are at least fifty places I haven't been that I'd rather visit than Paris."  
 
It is true the golf sucks, but god they are insufferable.
I could probably come up with 50 places I'd visit before Paris too, but it has little to do with "'Murica".  Not that these two deserve the benefit of the doubt, but there are reasons to pick other places to visit beyond being a dumbass.
 

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Patriot_Reign said:
Minihane dropping hints that one of the hosts is about to be out, not saying which station thou
I believe Chad Finn hinted at something along those lines recently. I don't remember if it was his Friday chat or a recent article though.
 

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I believe Holley's contract is up next month, and Dale isn't on a contract at all.  Of course as minihane was hinting at the change they repeatedly played cuts of Freddie T and Wallach
 
edit:  you're right:  
 

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Didn't buy the Benz-to-Pittsburgh thing. The Pittsburgh writer who floated that didn't do his homework. Actually believe Dale and Holley will -- and should -- stay together. Felger and Mazz have huge numbers (and new contracts), but there's some backlash there, and Dale and Holley's numbers have trended upward. Think there could be one fairly interesting move coming, but I don't know enough to spill what it might be yet.
 
http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2015/01/chat_sports_and_media_at_230_pm_41.html
 

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So this (host changes) went nowhere, right?
My guess is that it's yet to come.  These guys all know each other or at the very least the same people but unless it's one of or both D&H my guess is that it isn't going to be someone significant.  Maybe Wallach or Bertrand of one of the Mid-Day teams.  

Either that or like free agents, someone's agent is spreading rumors to get someone paid.
 

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I think Bertrand should get a top gig someplace.  He's very good.  I don't often have a chance to listen to them, but I find MFB sophomoric and dull.  I would like to see Bertrand and Gaspar in that spot.  But while sophomoric and dull may not be any way to go through life, it seems to work on sports radio.
 

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I really enjoy Bertrand and Gasper (and Gasper's guest spots on F & M) but does Gasper want a full-time gig? It seems like, more often that not, It's "Bertrand and Gasper with XXXX sitting in for Gasper"
 

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Gasper has travel duties working for the Globe I believe which often causes them. (or the fact he just got married)
 
I can't see any change on 98.5 of significance outside of Beetle leaving. I don't count Wallach as significant but Toucher & Rich and Felger & Mazz are both not going anywhere and I just can't see any change in GRESH!!!!!!!!!! & Zo with their ratings. Plus they cater to the working man who's in the car 10-2.
 
It's got to be Dale & Holley or Midways with WHOTHEFCARES. 
 

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Gasper has travel duties working for the Globe I believe which often causes them. (or the fact he just got married)
 
I can't see any change on 98.5 of significance outside of Beetle leaving. I don't count Wallach as significant but Toucher & Rich and Felger & Mazz are both not going anywhere and I just can't see any change in GRESH!!!!!!!!!! & Zo with their ratings. Plus they cater to the working man who's in the car 10-2.
 
It's got to be Dale & Holley or Midways with WHOTHEFCARES. 
Yeah, but we can still hope it's Wallach until the announcement is made.
 

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wallach has been filling in on the celtics broadcasts as a play by play guy
i doubt he's going anywhere if he's getting his profile raised
 

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Now Minihane dropping hints that it's a "major" host who is out sometime after the superbowl but before march
I'd have to think it was someone at 98.5 or else his bosses would be pissed at him for teasing an incoming controversy at 'eei
 
Wondering if beetle is jumping ship...he just had twins, bringing his kid count to 3.  That's gotta put a hurt on his wallet
 

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Boys are covering themselves in glory right now. The protesters should be runover and are advocating that you "run over one of these big fat cows."

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Patriot_Reign said:
Now Minihane dropping hints that it's a "major" host who is out sometime after the superbowl but before march
I'd have to think it was someone at 98.5 or else his bosses would be pissed at him for teasing an incoming controversy at 'eei
 
Wondering if beetle is jumping ship...he just had twins, bringing his kid count to 3.  That's gotta put a hurt on his wallet
 
I don't think they would consider Bertrand major or even a "host." I agree that he was strongly hinting at someone from 98.5. I assume Toucher and Rich wouldn't split up so that eliminates them. It's either Gresh, Zo or Mazz.
 

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I don't think they would consider Bertrand major or even a "host." I agree that he was strongly hinting at someone from 98.5. I assume Toucher and Rich wouldn't split up so that eliminates them. It's either Gresh, Zo or Mazz.
 
The Felger & Mazz thread has a link saying that Mazz has a new contract.
 
Would Zo moving to WEEI affect his status as Patriots color man? I would have to imagine that it might in some way, and if that's the case I don't see him leaving.
 
Could it be Adam Jones? His night gig is constantly interrupted for the Bruins and Celtics, he might find a regular midday job to be more attractive.
 

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Maybe someone like Ryan Johnston or Hardy? Both host weekends and do plenty of fill-ins for regular hosts. I can't imagine Zo jumping but if he did, i couldn't see Gresh long for TSH, either. It seems like being paired with Zo is the only thing that has worked for his career
 

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Ordway and Arnold drive time show?
 
Eek.
Could be since Dale just got a contract and Holley's is up soon. The only thing is, would Minihane be talking smack if a host on his own station was the one leaving?
 

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Andy Merchant said:
Could be since Dale just got a contract and Holley's is up soon. The only thing is, would Minihane be talking smack if a host on his own station was the one leaving?
I flipped over from T&R during a commercial segment this morning and they were talking about how Lou was stuck in the protester traffic and Minihane made a joke about given these times he probably doesn't want to be late for work. At least in that moment he was willing to make a joke his news could be someone at EEI.
 

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Bruce Allen chimes in:
 
My conclusion from this is that 98.5 will replace Andy Gresh with Marc Bertrand.
Why would they do that? I’m not sure. Ratings have been good. Is there a dispute with Gresh? Or do they just want to give Bertrand his shot or risk losing him?
I don’t like the move. I’ve said many times that Gresh and Zo is the best Patriots/NFL show on the local airwaves. I don’t want it broken up. I hope they work something out with Gresh, but with the amount of rumors and hints out there, it seems like this is going to happen.
That’s how I see things shaking out.
 
 

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Andy Merchant said:
I hate to see someone lose their livelihood, but I think that would be an upgrade for TSH.
 
Disagree.  I'm not a huge fan of Gresh by any means, but he does have chemistry with Zo.  And Zo will run all over Bertrand, making that show become even more unlistenable.
 
They should have given Bertrand the 6pm slot that he coveted when they had the chance.  Adam Jones has been meh at best.
 

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Disagree.  I'm not a huge fan of Gresh by any means, but he does have chemistry with Zo.  And Zo will run all over Bertrand, making that show become even more unlistenable.
 
They should have given Bertrand the 6pm slot that he coveted when they had the chance.  Adam Jones has been meh at best.
Maybe we should discuss who stinks the least? ;) Personally, I could do without Gresh frequently referring to playing at URI like it's relevant for covering the NFL, his awful Rich Little voice impressions, and just being an overall big fat loudmouth (like calling Ellsbury a pussy). I would take Mike Flynn or Beetle over Gresh any day of the week.
 

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Vandalman said:
Bruce Allen chimes in:

I dont like the move. Ive said many times that Gresh and Zo is the best Patriots/NFL show on the local airwaves.
 
You'd have to think if TSH was going to move away from Andy Gresh, now would be the time to do it with the NFL season concluding in a couple weeks. When Gresh and Zo talk football they can do an excellent job, but the problem is they are well below the Mendoza line when it comes to discussing every other sport. Changing out one seat for someone with better overall sports knowledge can be a plus to the show overall, and hopefully that person has developed enough of a rapport with Zo by the time July rolls around that they don't get bowled over once NFL talk starts picking up again.
 

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I guess 98.5 would want to be proactive (see weei hanging onto ordway for far too long as his ratings lead vanished) but i would still be shocked that they'd tinker with a show that hasn't lost to the competition in years
Unless it's some sort of contract situation, which then I could understand
 

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D&C yesterday were grilling callers on spygate, and Callahan kept asking, "If it didn't give them an advantage, why would he risk losing a half-million dollars and a first-round draft pick?"
 
Stupid, idiotic callers had no answer.  
 
The answer is obvious:  Belichick never in a million years expected any sort of punishment like that.  It was utterly unprecedented.  But for a violation of something that was pretty benign?  The penalty was shockingly huge.  
 
If Belichick honestly thought that he would be fined $500k and lose a first round draft pick, I'm sure he wouldn't have done it.  
 
Also, great piece by Mike Freeman on this here:  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2330223-the-belichick-brady-legacy-is-defined-by-wins-not-tapes-or-tucks
 

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Bob Kravitz on with them right now. Paraphrasing a bit:
 
"I got a call about it around 12:30am, and at first I didn't want to run with it because I thought it was outlandish, but then I thought to myself 'Well everyone thought the Patriots taping practices was outlandish too.'"
 
Callahan immediately responds with "Well they weren't taping practices Bob, that story turned out to be false."
 
Kravitz: "Well whatever."
 

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Dear Mr. Kravitz: When you're losing an asshole contest to Gerry Callahan, it may be time to question your life decisions.
 

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