If we’re going over the cap anyway, the team should top that up a bit if he does. Looks good to future veterans we might want to acquire.I honestly kind of expect him to take his player option.
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79 was my high score, but I think I’m getting the hang of it!
Good score, JT? Over 125. Same as a good OPS+.
My feeling is that adding whatever it takes so that Turner's two year take ('23-'24) is in the neighborhood of $30-32M total would be more than equitable. Whether that's set up as him opting out of his current deal (buyout + 2023 salary = $15M) and giving him a new one year deal worth $15-17M, or him opting in (2/$22M) and making up the $8-10M difference in some other way (bonus?).I'd be more than OK with Turner coming back on a reasonable deal. Raffy isn't moving off third base this winter, Casas is still young enough to improve at first, and maybe I'm overly optimistic but I believe Yoshida will improve both defensively and offensively after getting that NPB-to-MLB transition year under his belt. Justin Turner is the type of high-character veteran that a team on the way back up can really use, and he's the kind of good guy who is fun to root for as a fan. Make it happen, Craig.
Turner is turning 39 this month.'d be more than OK with Turner coming back on a reasonable deal.
Yeah, and his WRC+ has declined over the last four years from 138 to 114. Good chance he bounces back from that, good chance he plateaus, and a good chance next year is the end. Who knows.Turner is turning 39 this month.
Our last 39 year old DH worked out pretty well (and actually outperformed his age 38 season).Turner is turning 39 this month.
Did you watch the HoF video posted in the “Stories this group could tell” thread? Pedroia was talking about Ortiz‘ slow start in 2009. Some, even on this board, thought he was toast. Anyway, great video with a healthy dose of Gentleman Tim Wakefield as well.Our last 39 year old DH worked out pretty well (and actually outperformed his age 38 season).
A cool video behind the scenes at Big Papi's HoF induction. Lots of Tim Wakefield on camera: View: https://youtu.be/ao_tNwI6qGA?si=tHY4wdfijrtkkhWw
Thanks for sharing. Relatedly, “glue guys” are really important in Boston. Someday I would love to hear Kevin Millar explain the role he and Ortiz played in spring training 2004 helping Manny go from being traded for Arod to the guy who was literally skipping and holding hands with Millar and Papi.Did you watch the HoF video posted in the “Stories this group could tell” thread? Pedroia was talking about Ortiz‘ slow start in 2009. Some, even on this board, thought he was toast. Anyway, great video with a healthy dose of Gentleman Tim Wakefield as well.
Same. I assumed he was posting from Boston because he was in town to re-up.Well, shit. Once again, I am an idiot. Really thought he would stay on, and hope they find a way to make it work.
Those social media posts from this week definitely feel like someone who wants to stay, he just wants a better deal than the one he opted out of.Well, shit. Once again, I am an idiot. Really thought he would stay on, and hope they find a way to make it work.
Yep and you really can't blame him. On a team that was sorely lacking one, he quickly looked the part of the veteran leader on the club. He seemed willing to assume any role that was asked of him, became a part of the community and had a fine season on a team that had season-long struggles.Those social media posts from this week definitely feel like someone who wants to stay, he just wants a better deal than the one he opted out of.
Good post. I’m skeptical about a spike in Yoshida’s potential to measurably improve in left, and I think Casas is at the point where you just have to commit to him every day at first despite his substandard defense to this point in the majors. But you make a good point about JT’s veteran leadership on a club that appears to be yo-yoing back to full-throated win-now mode. Maybe you give him a two-year deal and if you do get those improvements from Yoshida and Casas he can slot comfortably at DH, and if you don’t, he’d most likely be a good trade chit.I'd be more than OK with Turner coming back on a reasonable deal. Raffy isn't moving off third base this winter, Casas is still young enough to improve at first, and maybe I'm overly optimistic but I believe Yoshida will improve both defensively and offensively after getting that NPB-to-MLB transition year under his belt. Justin Turner is the type of high-character veteran that a team on the way back up can really use, and he's the kind of good guy who is fun to root for as a fan. Make it happen, Craig.
Just picking up his $6.7M checkSame. I assumed he was posting from Boston because he was in town to re-up.
A best case scenario is bringin a right handed corner outfielder to plug between Devers and Casas.I don't want to bring Turner back, maybe I'm in the minority here. He posted his worst wrc+ since 2013, is going to be 39 years old, and can't really play the field much anymore, so he's a DH, a position where you would hope you can do better than a wrc+ of 114. If there's no better options, fine, but this team already has at least three guys between Casas, Devers, and Yoshida who I would rather not see playing the field. He's probably going to command 10 million or more again and I would just rather spend that money elsewhere if we can.
Good Guy absolutely but old and best spot is DH. The leadership was great last year but was also great the year before with Xander…. Last place with great leaders is still last place.I don't want to bring Turner back, maybe I'm in the minority here. He posted his worst wrc+ since 2013, is going to be 39 years old, and can't really play the field much anymore, so he's a DH, a position where you would hope you can do better than a wrc+ of 114. If there's no better options, fine, but this team already has at least three guys between Casas, Devers, and Yoshida who I would rather not see playing the field. He's probably going to command 10 million or more again and I would just rather spend that money elsewhere if we can.
Hoskins is a good fit too (with Reyes backing up 3B), but I figure someone would value him more as a full-time first baseman.If Turner isn't on the roster, you need to find a decent backup at first and third. Urias can do third, but not if he's starting at second. There isn't anyone else on the team who can back up first. Dalbec can't make enough contact to be that guy. So an acquisition will have to be made in any case to fill that spot.
Dalbec has literally played 19 outs in his career at 2b and made 2 put outs, must have been a really fucking good 2 put outsDalbec plays a better 2B than Turner and a better 1B than Refsnyder and he’s paid peanuts. (And can obviously play 3B)
So strikes out too much big deal. Not any worse than a pop up and better than a GIDP
Spring training in 2022 or 2023 I saw him at 2B and he was goodDalbec has literally played 19 outs in his career at 2b and made 2 put outs, must have been a really fucking good 2 put outs
Oh well if you saw him play there in spring training then he must be good. Especially since he didn't even play a single inning there in his nearly full season of playing games where winning and losing mean nothing.Spring training in 2022 or 2023 I saw him at 2B and he was good
also was good enough to play there during game 6 of 2021 alcs
Are you saying that the ALCS means nothing?Oh well if you saw him play there in spring training then he must be good. Especially since he didn't even play a single inning there in his nearly full season of playing games where winning and losing mean nothing.
That's ignoring that you seem to take for a given that he can hit, which is a pretty useful skill for a guy for a guy who provides negative value at every defensive position he may or may not actually be able to play.
1/2 inning in an elimination game because they had no one who could play there because of desperate pinch hitting? Yes that means less than nothing in an argument that a guy can play a positionAre you saying that the ALCS means nothing?
It's amazing to me how many people write literally the opposite of what they want to say because they don't proofread their posts. Presumably you mean he is 'cost-prohibitive' here?If teams like the D-Backs are sniffing around, he's probably not cost-prohibitive for us anyway.
Maybe but that doesn't fit with the rest of the post.I took it to mean if a thrifty org makes an offer we should be able to outbid them. As opposed to LA or NY or TEX being the rumored partner.
You have Luis Urias who is perfectly capable of filling that role and has an additional option if you need roster flexibility.You need a backup corner infielder and a RHB. It doesn't have to be Turner, but he's already filled that role really well and seemed like he brought a lot to the team overall.
If they decide Candelario fits better, he's an attractive option. But what I don't see is a good way of making Yoshida the primary DH while filling LF and also finding a backup 1B/3B to mostly ride the bench.
Not sure why we're wanting to DH Story either, he's an elite defender and we need him out there every possible inning.
Candelario is 29 and has put up a 112 OPS+ the last 4 years while playing full time. I don't think he'll sign on anywhere that he'll be a backup.You need a backup corner infielder and a RHB. It doesn't have to be Turner, but he's already filled that role really well and seemed like he brought a lot to the team overall.
If they decide Candelario fits better, he's an attractive option. But what I don't see is a good way of making Yoshida the primary DH while filling LF and also finding a backup 1B/3B to mostly ride the bench.
Not sure why we're wanting to DH Story either, he's an elite defender and we need him out there every possible inning.