Just came to post this. Fuckkkkkkkkk
Just came to post this. Fuckkkkkkkkk
He clearly hurt his wrist in the Thunder game right near the end. Not sure if it's the same wrist as here, I'd have to go back and check the tape.He was "diagnosed" this weekend, does that mean he could have been playing through it for a while? He's been out for a while, so probably not, but the language is unclear.
let's not forget hip and ankle.Hope that he gets everything else worked on while he rehabs from that surgery. Seems like he had a lot of stuff bothering him this year (shoulder, knee).
We're trying to corner the market on 14th picks in the draft. It's the new market inefficiency.The 14th pick in the NBA draft is a fitting end to this season.
We aren't winning wihout JB so now I at least want a chance at a top 4 pick.
One hundred percent.They weren’t winning shit this season anyway. Get better and come back hungry next year.
Never heard of the scapholunate ligament until today. Romeo's took a long time to heal, IIRC. Can we count on Brown to be playing games by December? Or are we looking at early 2022?Same ligament tear Romeo Langford had surgically repaired. Frustrating for sure, guarantees we will never get a chance to see this team healthy this season. I sense a 7 seed and play-in loss.
2 scapholunate ligament tears needing surgery from the Celtics this year. Let's hope they are getting 2nd opinions and not at the mercy of an overcalling radiologist
Degeneration and partial tears of this ligament are pretty common, it can be a tricky diagnosis. I have to assume for them to end his season with immediate surgery it's a no-doubt complete tear and the bones are sliding apart.
A classic first year MSK radiology case. The "Terry Thomas sign" to suggest the diagnosis this on X-Ray.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Thomas_sign
At least this one didn’t cost us a banner. Fitting end indeed.When was the last season the Celtics have avoided a major injury to a key player?
2015-16. Don't forget before Hayward and Irving arrived, IT didn't play the last 3.5 games against CLE in the conference finals.When was the last season the Celtics have avoided a major injury to a key player?
Romeo took about 5.5 months, within the usual 3-6 month window. Good thing for the chances of Jaylen not missing much or any of next season is that Romeo injured his shooting hand/wrist while Jaylen's is his off hand, so he'll be able to do shooting much earlierNever heard of the scapholunate ligament until today. Romeo's took a long time to heal, IIRC. Can we count on Brown to be playing games by December? Or are we looking at early 2022?
Losing the play-in games and getting a lottery ticket would not be the worst outcome from a fan perspective (I'm sure ownership disagrees, which they should). Even the #14 could be a good enough asset to ship out with Marcus Smart to get a better fit for this roster.
The problem is that they need to win only one game against two of Hornets, Wizards, Pacers (outside chance of Bulls) for the opportunity to get broomed in the first round.
Romeo was on the long end of things, I bet JB will likely be good to go next year.Never heard of the scapholunate ligament until today. Romeo's took a long time to heal, IIRC. Can we count on Brown to be playing games by December? Or are we looking at early 2022?
Losing the play-in games and getting a lottery ticket would not be the worst outcome from a fan perspective (I'm sure ownership disagrees, which they should). Even the #14 could be a good enough asset to ship out with Marcus Smart to get a better fit for this roster.
The problem is that they need to win only one game against two of Hornets, Wizards, Pacers (outside chance of Bulls) for the opportunity to get broomed in the first round.
This is exactly where I am.The only plus side of this is that, even more so than before, I have zero expectations that they do anything in the postseason at all and any run they do go on will be pure gravy.
About 3 years after the Mayflower landed.When was the last season the Celtics have avoided a major injury to a key player?
Who was your favorite player that season?About 3 years after the Mayflower landed.
It had to be one of the John's.Who was your favorite player that season?
Trading Smart and a lottery pick for a roleplayer, and likely one not as good as Smart, would be the perfect way to ensure that we’re back here next year.Losing the play-in games and getting a lottery ticket would not be the worst outcome from a fan perspective (I'm sure ownership disagrees, which they should). Even the #14 could be a good enough asset to ship out with Marcus Smart to get a better fit for this roster.
My assumption is that a trade would be done only if it nets a positive return. Which should not be all that hard in my scenario, as I don’t think Smart is all that good at this point in his career.Trading Smart and a lottery pick for a roleplayer, and likely one not as good as Smart, would be the perfect way to ensure that we’re back here next year.
This board is awesome sometimes. This right here is one of those times.It had to be one of the John's.
Darius "MIles" Standish.Who was your favorite player that season?
Did you not like Smart in previous years or do you feel something in his game is declining?My assumption is that a trade would be done only if it nets a positive return. Which should not be all that hard in my scenario, as I don’t think Smart is all that good at this point in his career.
I feel it's the latter. He hasn't been great defensively. And I'm not a fan of his 33% three point percentage this season either. I don't think he's a great fit on this roster, and he seems primed for an early decline.Did you not like Smart in previous years or do you feel something in his game is declining?
I agree. I feel like what the team needs + what he does badly now outweighs what he does well (and this is the first time I have felt that).I feel it's the latter. He hasn't been great defensively. And I'm not a fan of his 33% three point percentage this season either. I don't think he's a great fit on this roster, and he seems primed for an early decline.
A quick way to check on that is to do both wrists. If you have bilateral Terry Thomas sign, it has to make you think.Romeo was on the long end of things, I bet JB will likely be good to go next year.
As an unnecessary tangent, one of the first cases I had an MSK radiology fellow was a San Diego Padres minor leaguer who was thought to have a scapholunate ligament tear based on clinical exam and his X-Rays (Terry Thomas sign).
Turns out African Americans have a higher rate of lunotriquetral coalition (the lunate and triquetrum, the bone opposite side from scaphoid). These bones can be fused by a bony or fibrous band, pulling the lunate away from the scaphoid and causing a wide scapohoid-lunate gap, and a "fake out" for a ligament tear.
We did an MRI arthrogram and injected the joint to prove the ligament was intact and thickened even with the big bone gap. Had another similar case later in fellowship, scheduled for scapholunate surgery based on clinical exam and X-Rays,. Got an MRI for confirmation, ended up having a lunotriqutral coalition and scapholunate ligament was intact.
I'm sure the Celtics have great docs and they are not botching this, 99.99% chance this is just very bad luck. But two African Americans needing the same surgery within a year of each other.... hope they aren't getting faked out!!
There aren’t many superstars getting paid roleplayer money (which is what Marcus makes). Ergo what you’re trading for is another roleplayer. And throwing in a lottery pick to boot for that roleplayer.My assumption is that a trade would be done only if it nets a positive return. Which should not be all that hard in my scenario, as I don’t think Smart is all that good at this point in his career.
thisThe 14th pick in the NBA draft is a fitting end to this season.
We aren't winning wihout JB so now I at least want a chance at a top 4 pick.
I feel Smart is an emotional player who plays off the crowd which obv hasn’t been there this year or last year in the bubble. I don’t see any physical decline especially in a players age 25 & 26 seasons. Maybe it’s complacency? Maybe he needs a coaching change to kick him back into gear?I feel it's the latter. He hasn't been great defensively. And I'm not a fan of his 33% three point percentage this season either. I don't think he's a great fit on this roster, and he seems primed for an early decline.
Symmetry is definitely our friend, though these coalitions are only bilateral about half the time.A quick way to check on that is to do both wrists. If you have bilateral Terry Thomas sign, it has to make you think.
Thanks for this. Fascinating.Symmetry is definitely our friend, though these coalitions are only bilateral about half the time.
It's mostly a moot point with a well done MRI, I'm sure they aren't going just based on the X-Ray. The only tricky part is that grading these tears is challenging as the ligament is very small. One of the important secondary signs we look for is if the bones are too far apart (i.e. the ligament doesn't look great + bones far apart = high grade to full-thickness tear).
If the bones are naturally far apart because of something congenital and the ligament doesn't look great, you might get tricked into thinking its a higher grade injury than it really is.
Anyway, I want to emphasize it's highly unlikely JB has a coalition and it's even more unlikely the Celtics medical staff is messing up the diagnosis. Just interesting there have been 2 surgical S-L ligament tears on the Celtics this year and sharing my entirely anecdotal experience.
If teams rested every player who is mildly hurt this time of the season we’d have G-League teams out there every night. You can’t rest everyone when you’re competing to win games.So if he's been grabbing at his wrist since April 15, why do we keep running him out there? Sorry, but that just seems to be inviting a worse injury. I know it's the end of the season, and the Celts are trying to win a good playoff spot, but that doesn't sound like good injury management. Maybe we should be resting guys who are (mildly) hurt before they become (badly) hurt?