Hogan's a Hero? Patriots sign WR Chris Hogan
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 32s32 seconds ago
Barring a late snag, #Bills RFA WR Chris Hogan will sign a 3-year, $12M, heavily-guaranteed deal to join #Patriots. BUF has 5 days to match
Barring a late snag, #Bills RFA WR Chris Hogan will sign a 3-year, $12M, heavily-guaranteed deal to join #Patriots. BUF has 5 days to match
[URL='https://twitter.com/mikerodak']Mike Rodak @mikerodak 3m3 minutes ago
Per @AdamSchefter, Chris Hogan is signing 3-year, $12M offer sheet with NE this morning. $5.5M cap number in 2016.
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Per @AdamSchefter, Chris Hogan is signing 3-year, $12M offer sheet with NE this morning. $5.5M cap number in 2016.
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I'm bullish. Hogan seems like the kind of player that can really develop in New England, and the fact that its so heavily front loaded means he will give us lots of flexibility in years 2 and 3 when the WR market is, hopefully, better.
To me, this is BB not repeating the mistake he made with Sanders.
He somewhat lowballed his offer, thinking that the then-cap-strapped Pittsburgh would not match. They did, and Sanders was re-signed by the Steelers (then eventually moved onto the Broncos, as we all know).
As some of us posted on the other thread, Hogan can be a backup lefty punter(!), has played lacrosse, was a UDFA, threw for a TD, and had his best games against NE. You couldn't draw up more intangibles that BB likes than that.
He somewhat lowballed his offer, thinking that the then-cap-strapped Pittsburgh would not match. They did, and Sanders was re-signed by the Steelers (then eventually moved onto the Broncos, as we all know).
As some of us posted on the other thread, Hogan can be a backup lefty punter(!), has played lacrosse, was a UDFA, threw for a TD, and had his best games against NE. You couldn't draw up more intangibles that BB likes than that.
Rapsh*t agrees:
@RapSheet Given the structure of WR Chris Hogan's #Patriots offer sheet, the #Bills aren't expected to match. Final call coming when they see details.
While highly unlikely, I wouldn't be completely surprised if the Bills match just to prevent the Pats from getting him. It would be a foolish decision for them financially (and it would seem the Pats are over paying) but I'm not ruling out the gamesmanship at play here.
According to OvertheCap, current Bills cap number is $152,770,659. 2016 cap ceiling is $155,270,000:
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/
I like this signing. He put up some decent numbers with mediocre to awful QB play the past 2 years. Has size that the Pats need at 6'1 220
It's fascinating, as Rex could not live with himself if Hogan performs well in a NE uni. Buffalo matching that offer isn't out of the question.
Tyler Dunne @TyDunne 9m9 minutes ago
This would be a smart signing by the Patriots. Hogan gets open, gets separation. Can play inside/outside. They saw what he did vs their CBs.
He covers the Bills for the Buffalo News.
This would be a smart signing by the Patriots. Hogan gets open, gets separation. Can play inside/outside. They saw what he did vs their CBs.
He covers the Bills for the Buffalo News.
This isn't completely accurate, but they can give Gilmore (last year of his contract, $11m cap hit) an extension and get 2016 number down:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/
What a classic Pats signing---whether or not it works (since as we know many WR have not).
1. Spent much of college playing another sport (lacrosse)
2. His one year in college he played another position (DB)
3. Good athlete (4.5 40; 28 bench press reps at combine; 6.78 3 cone would have been 6th among all WR in this year's combine)
4. Has wandered through a bunch of teams/practice squads without really finding a role
Let's hope he is more Edelman/Welker than many of their recent WR draft picks!
1. Spent much of college playing another sport (lacrosse)
2. His one year in college he played another position (DB)
3. Good athlete (4.5 40; 28 bench press reps at combine; 6.78 3 cone would have been 6th among all WR in this year's combine)
4. Has wandered through a bunch of teams/practice squads without really finding a role
Let's hope he is more Edelman/Welker than many of their recent WR draft picks!
Chris Hogan 3 cone drill 6.75. No wonder why the Pats like him.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65406&draftyear=2011&genpos=FB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65406&draftyear=2011&genpos=FB
Interesting article from 2014 about Hogan. This guy has Patriot written all over him, including being a two-way player in college.
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/No-regrets-for-WR-Chris-Hogan/aced0ffb-4603-4ce9-8650-43703a054caf
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/No-regrets-for-WR-Chris-Hogan/aced0ffb-4603-4ce9-8650-43703a054caf
I didn't see this mentioned elsewhere in the thread, what compensation are the Bills owed if they don't match?
Nothing. He was tendered at the lowest amount. He came into the league as an undrafted free agent.
Bills fans aren't excited to keep Hogan at those numbers, but this sentiment seems to pop up often:
http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?526620-Hogan-gone-to-Pats
http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?526620-Hogan-gone-to-Pats
But mostly:
@SharpFootball BUF threw ball to him on just 11.6% of all pass plays, but NE is prepared to pay Chris Hogan $4M/yr, almost what they pay Edelman ($4.25M).
LOL. Some posters were joking that BB won't sign him since he didn't go to Rutgers. Well, supposedly it almost happened:
...and the dots keep getting connecting:
Flawed stat since they only threw the ball like 20 times a game and Sammy Watkins and McCoy out of the backfield would get the majority of those targets.
Penn State for lacrosse....then one year playing college football.
This was told to me by a business associate whose son played with him at Ramapo.
What a story.
This was told to me by a business associate whose son played with him at Ramapo.
What a story.
For comparison's sake:
Welker's stats in Miami: 152 targets, 96 Receptions, 1,121 Yards, 11.7 YPR, 24.9 YPG
Hogan's stats in Buffalo: 137 targets, 87 Receptions, 959 Yards, 11.0 YPR, 20.0 YPG
In each case, Belichick is identifying an underutilized receiving asset from a division opponent as a RFA, who has given the Pats defense fits in the past. I like it.
Welker's stats in Miami: 152 targets, 96 Receptions, 1,121 Yards, 11.7 YPR, 24.9 YPG
Hogan's stats in Buffalo: 137 targets, 87 Receptions, 959 Yards, 11.0 YPR, 20.0 YPG
In each case, Belichick is identifying an underutilized receiving asset from a division opponent as a RFA, who has given the Pats defense fits in the past. I like it.
Is it possible for the Bills to match THEN trade him? Would that incur more dead cap for them? If so, could BB & Rex work out a flat-out trade netting Ryan a low pick?
Hogan was NJ Player of the Year for lacrosse, and also played baseball. He won Bills charity HR derby:
http://www.scout.com/nfl/bills/story/1555027-chris-hogan-shows-off-power-in-hr-derby
I'm ready to put him in the NE HoF NOW.
The comment from the Bills board member regarding drops prompted me to look this up.
According to Sporting Charts, Hogan had 4 drops last year on 59 targets for a drop percentage of 6.8%
Rishard Matthews also had 4 drops on 61 targets for a drop percentage of 6.6%
Hogan caught 61% of his targets while Matthews caught 70.5% of his.
According to Sporting Charts, Hogan had 4 drops last year on 59 targets for a drop percentage of 6.8%
Rishard Matthews also had 4 drops on 61 targets for a drop percentage of 6.6%
Hogan caught 61% of his targets while Matthews caught 70.5% of his.
Per @PhillAPerry, Hogan's article on the Players' Tribune:
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/chris-hogan-bills-nickname/
On being cut and working hard to get on Bills roster to catch his first TD:
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/chris-hogan-bills-nickname/
On being cut and working hard to get on Bills roster to catch his first TD:
Three reasons Hogan would figure to put up better numbers in NE:
1) More consistent playing time - only played 57% of snaps last year.
2) More pass-happy offense - Buffalo was 31st in passing attempts in 2015, Pats were 5th - 629 passes vs 465
3) Pats use the middle of the field more - Taylor threw outside the numbers 60% of the time, middle of the field 7%. Through the Houston game, Brady was at 43% & 14% in those areas, respectively.
He seems to fit the profile of a guy who was underutilized in his previous home where the Pats are a much better fit for his talents.
1) More consistent playing time - only played 57% of snaps last year.
2) More pass-happy offense - Buffalo was 31st in passing attempts in 2015, Pats were 5th - 629 passes vs 465
3) Pats use the middle of the field more - Taylor threw outside the numbers 60% of the time, middle of the field 7%. Through the Houston game, Brady was at 43% & 14% in those areas, respectively.
He seems to fit the profile of a guy who was underutilized in his previous home where the Pats are a much better fit for his talents.
Some comments from Jeff Howe which gets me a little more excited about the signing.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 7m
Just watched every ball thrown Hogan's way in 2015. His numbers would've spiked if the Bills had a capable pocket QB.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 6m6 minutes ago
I really like Hogan's route-running ability, has good double moves, knows how to weave through various zones, good sideline comebacks.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 5m5 minutes ago
Hogan can line up anywhere and he can absolutely take a good hit after the catch. He finishes every single play. I like that a lot.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe
Hogan makes some contested catches, but he needs to make more. Sometimes allows the CB to get better positioning as the ball arrives.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 7m
Just watched every ball thrown Hogan's way in 2015. His numbers would've spiked if the Bills had a capable pocket QB.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 6m6 minutes ago
I really like Hogan's route-running ability, has good double moves, knows how to weave through various zones, good sideline comebacks.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 5m5 minutes ago
Hogan can line up anywhere and he can absolutely take a good hit after the catch. He finishes every single play. I like that a lot.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe
Hogan makes some contested catches, but he needs to make more. Sometimes allows the CB to get better positioning as the ball arrives.
Howe's on a roll, and Hogan's Legend grows:
@jeffphowe He played through torn ligaments in his wrist for the last month of the season and needed surgery. Gotta like that.
@jeffphowe Yup, forgot to mention that. He's a gunner in punt coverage, can play special teams.
I'd like to call him MediumTron.
@jeffphowe He played through torn ligaments in his wrist for the last month of the season and needed surgery. Gotta like that.
@jeffphowe Yup, forgot to mention that. He's a gunner in punt coverage, can play special teams.
I'd like to call him MediumTron.
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A caller on EEI just said the same thing. Rex was pretty pissed about how well Woodhead did with the Pats. He wouldn't want it to happen again.
Here's Bills WR depth chart. Frankly, they'd be nuts to match Hogan's contract:
- Sammy Watkins
- Robert Woods
- Marquise Goodwin
- Marcus Easley, Percy Harvin, Greg Salas (the former Pat & Jet), Jarrett Boykin, Leonard Hankerson, et al.