@RyanHannable: Cherington said on @DandCShow Hanley Ramirez avoided a fracture after being hit with line drive last night. Hopeful he's just day-to-day.
mfried said:Too bad the awareness that would have avoided the injury can't be fixed as easily as the healing of the bruise.
Best and most knowledgable fans in baseball everyone.mfried said:Too bad the awareness that would have avoided the injury can't be fixed as easily as the healing of the bruise.
mfried said:I was watching and the liner looked avoidable for an athlete who played dodgeball as a tot. That's the agenda.
Bogaerts knew firsthand how odd a play it was. A month ago, he was in the same spot as Ramirez, breaking for second on a ground ball to the right side that hopped up and caught him in the foot.
rembrat said:Here is the play.
To me it looks like he doesn't pick up the ball in time and it hits him. That's understandable considering Hanley is running, the ball is less than 3 inches in diameter, there are a shit ton of people in the crowd, oh, and it's coming at him really fucking fast.
Doooweeeey! said:Another prime example of Red Sox 2015 luck:
Xander smokes a ball into the hole vacated by Flaherty on the hit and run. Ramirez busting down to second, looks like he's got third easy if the ball goes through.
Ball hits Ramirez (one out) and caroms, not into right field, straight down or virtually anywhere else, but right to Flaherty who flips to first for the double play.
I can only shake my head.
Glad to hear Hanley's hand isn't fractured, so it ain't all bad...
rembrat said:Here is the play.
To me it looks like he doesn't pick up the ball in time and it hits him. That's understandable considering Hanley is running, the ball is less than 3 inches in diameter, there are a shit ton of people in the crowd, oh, and it's coming at him really fucking fast.
WHEN HE GETS HIT BY A PITCH (or a ball in play) IT'S BECAUSE HE'S TOO LAZY TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY /Felger and MazzSmiling Joe Hesketh said:
Oh come on. It was a hit and run. He looked back, but the ball was lined right at him, hard. He was busting his ass down the line (obvious on the replay, but of course that doesn't fit in with the Hanley is Loafing storyline).
It was bad luck, nothing more.
For crissakes not everything needs to become a morality play or a character flaw. Didn't X just line another ball off a runner not too long ago too?
mfried said:Confronted with such SOSH unanimity as well as an ad hominem slur, I will retreat to the statement that X did exactly what a hit-run situation demanded, and I felt frustration that an important opportunity was lost. I also admit that (contrary to many other baserunning situations) Hanley was running hard. Whereas Holt, Pedroia, perhaps Nava, display a baseball alertness that enhances their physical abilities, Hanley relies on slugging, seemingly at the expense of many other facets of his game. Whether a line drive vs. a bad bounce grounder is harder for a baserunner to avoid - I leave to superior baseball wisdom.
mfried said:Confronted with such SOSH unanimity as well as an ad hominem slur, I will retreat to the statement that X did exactly what a hit-run situation demanded, and I felt frustration that an important opportunity was lost. I also admit that (contrary to many other baserunning situations) Hanley was running hard. Whereas Holt, Pedroia, perhaps Nava, display a baseball alertness that enhances their physical abilities, Hanley relies on slugging, seemingly at the expense of many other facets of his game. Whether a line drive vs. a bad bounce grounder is harder for a baserunner to avoid - I leave to superior baseball wisdom.
Alex Speier @alexspeier 10s10 seconds ago
Hanley says he's day-to-day. Initially feared break, But X-ray + CT scan showed no break. Feels considerably better today. Hopes to play Fri
RedOctober3829 said:
Gordon Edes @GordonEdes 49s49 seconds ago
Ramirez said urgency to return because Pedroia is out probably on DL
If he returns and plays hurt because Pedroia is out, I will have new respect for Hanley.
RedOctober3829 said:
Gordon Edes @GordonEdes 49s49 seconds ago
Ramirez said urgency to return because Pedroia is out probably on DL
If he returns and plays hurt because Pedroia is out, I will have new respect for Hanley.
richgedman'sghost said:Are you calling mfried a racist? That seems like a pretty strong charge to call mfried a racist..
I could be wrong, but I don't think the respect part was part of Gordon's tweet.joe dokes said:
Fuck that "respect" noise. Gordon Edes thinks it's relevant that people know whether or how much Gordon Edes "respects" some one? How does Gordo know that Hanley isn't lying....he's not really *that* hurt, but he's saying he is so he can return as the conquering hero. That's certainly something a not-respectable player would do. But then again, after Hanley intentionally ran into the side wall to hurt himself so he could come back "quickly" and garner Gordon Edes's respect, I'm pleased that Gordon Edes is giving Hanley a second chance to earn some more.
I'll give many more shits about Gordon Edes's respect-o-meter when the sun starts revolving around the Earth.
In a season marked by purtrid offense, Hanley, Pedroia and Holt have pretty much been the team's only dependable hitters.
Bigpupp said:I could be wrong, but I don't think the respect part was part of Gordon's tweet.
joe dokes said:In a season marked by purtrid offense, Hanley, Pedroia and Holt have pretty much been the team's only dependable hitters.
Joe, the respect comment is mine. I couldn't get the cursor out of the highlighted part of my post that included Edes. I apologize if that confused you.joe dokes said:
Fuck that "respect" noise. Gordon Edes thinks it's relevant that people know whether or how much Gordon Edes "respects" some one? How does Gordo know that Hanley isn't lying....he's not really *that* hurt, but he's saying he is so he can return as the conquering hero. That's certainly something a not-respectable player would do. But then again, after Hanley intentionally ran into the side wall to hurt himself so he could come back "quickly" and garner Gordon Edes's respect, I'm pleased that Gordon Edes is giving Hanley a second chance to earn some more.
I'll give many more shits about Gordon Edes's respect-o-meter when the sun starts revolving around the Earth.
In a season marked by purtrid offense, Hanley, Pedroia and Holt have pretty much been the team's only dependable hitters.
Hank Scorpio said:
Bogaerts and Betts are also having fine seasons, although it would be nice to see more power from X.
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:Hanley took four full strides while having his head turned in that direction. I have no idea how he didn't react quick enough. He did everything correctly, he must have just not picked up the ball despite looking for the contact.
RedOctober3829 said:If he returns and plays hurt because Pedroia is out, I will have new respect for Hanley.
Of course we wouldn't be having this conversation. But, Hanley has a history that follows him around for "dogging" it. If he plays through this injury for the good of the team, I see it as a good thing and something that would help to turn the narrative.Rovin Romine said:
I wonder if we'd be having this sort conversation without the popular narrative on Hanley that followed him here.
Imagine him with no baggage. As an unknown import from Japanese baseball or something. He's sent some mixed signals this year, has made a couple of bone headed plays, and isn't thriving in his completely brand new defensive position. But I don't see anything that warrants a lack of respect for Hanley during his time here. He's like Manny-lite. Not quite as good a bat, not quite as flakey.
JimBoSox9 said:
Look at the swing. X puts a late inside-outer on an inside pitch, the direction of contact was pretty darn flukey and/or Jeterian. Plus it had that wicked spin. My own hypothesis is that the moment he realized the ball was coming his way happened about .01 seconds after he decided it wasn't coming oppo and started to turn back.
richgedman'sghost said:Are you calling mfried a racist? That seems like a pretty strong charge to call mfried a racist..
I don't know where to find the info, but I'd love to see the stat cast data on that play. Speed off bat, distance between home plate and runner, and how long it took for it to get there.BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
Good points. And I'm not criticizing Hanley, just saying that with that many strides while looking at the ball, I was a little surprised it hit him. Initially I thought he just wasn't looking back, which you often see when this type of play happens.
RedOctober3829 said:Of course we wouldn't be having this conversation. But, Hanley has a history that follows him around for "dogging" it. If he plays through this injury for the good of the team, I see it as a good thing and something that would help to turn the narrative.
Yeah, I was just about to make this point.Average Reds said:
You do realize that he spent a significant portion of this season playing through an injury, right?
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:Hanley took four full strides while having his head turned in that direction. I have no idea how he didn't react quick enough. He did everything correctly, he must have just not picked up the ball despite looking for the contact.
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
This is right after Xander's contact. You'll see Hanley looking back.
Because it's really common for schoolkids to fling kickballs at 90+ mph...mfried said:I was watching and the liner looked avoidable for an athlete who played dodgeball as a tot. That's the agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZXHsNqkDI4nighthob said:Because it's really common for schoolkids to fling kickballs at 90+ mph...