Pretty interesting 3D demonstration of an ACL surgery, detailing what Gronk will soon be going through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsq0sQp6DwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsq0sQp6DwU
mpx42 said:Albert Breer @AlbertBreer2m
With Pats today, my Gronk update: Tests that showed torn ACL/MCL, also showed no dislocation. Expected to have surgery in about 2 weeks. ...
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer1m
... Gronkowski has to wait for swelling to go down before going under the knife. He's been told he should be ready for start of 2014 season.
Based on the Breer report, it sounds like we are out of the woods on this one, right?DaveRoberts'Shoes said:Sorry, just got back from the game a while ago, so I haven't been able to clarify - obviously he tore his ACL, per the reports (and my early analysis, duh...), and I find it hard to believe he didn't at least tear his MCL to some degree as well, given how he got hit and how his knee buckled. A couple things to consider here -
1. If he also tore his meniscus, not a huge deal in the big scheme of things. If he screwed up his articular cartilage (like Ballard did in the Super Bowl) and needs some sort of cartilage repair, his recovery is going to be much less predictable. Some guys do fine with it, some (Ballard, for instance)... not so much. It's certainly in play given how violent that injury was.
Sounds like this is about right. Two weeks is 12/30, which is basically January. Sounds like 2014 could unfold roughly like 2013, with Gronk resuming activities but not active for a few weeks. Of course, that's assuming no complications / additional surgeries. "Ready for 2014" seems optimistic, especially given his injury history and the (appropriately) cautious way they handled his recovery this year.DaveRoberts'Shoes said:2. Even if it's "just" his ACL and MCL, I'd be SHOCKED if he's not on the PUP list to start the season. He probably won't have surgery for at least a few weeks to do some "pre-hab" and let his MCL heal. That puts his surgery in January, and he won't be back to "full" activities until at least July. Why rush things, given that he will have had SIX sugeries in the last 12 months...
Could this have been lingering distrust of the Pats' medical staff? Or perhaps excessive caution on behalf of Gronk / his agent / his family / the team docs that don't want another black mark after how his arm was handled?DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
3. If he actually did go to a hospital for observation, as Belichik said, I'm concerned about something else- he dislocated his knee and they're worried about a vascular injury or compartment syndrome developing or something else.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 3m
One other thing on Gronkowski: His surgery will be done by Dr. James Andrews.
Not necessarily out of the woods on the cartilage issue - they may not be disclosing that or they may not actually find out until they get in. MRI is excellent at diagnosing ACLs and meniscus tears, not always as good with articular cartilage injuries. But hopefully so, I would think something would have leaked by now.Super Nomario said:Based on the Breer report, it sounds like we are out of the woods on this one, right?
Sounds like this is about right. Two weeks is 12/30, which is basically January. Sounds like 2014 could unfold roughly like 2013, with Gronk resuming activities but not active for a few weeks. Of course, that's assuming no complications / additional surgeries. "Ready for 2014" seems optimistic, especially given his injury history and the (appropriately) cautious way they handled his recovery this year.
Could this have been lingering distrust of the Pats' medical staff? Or perhaps excessive caution on behalf of Gronk / his agent / his family / the team docs that don't want another black mark after how his arm was handled?
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:As for the overnight stay, I talked to one of the Pats' medical guys this weekend and he said it was for observation after his concussion, not having to do with his knee.
Looks like I lose the internetSoFloSoxFan said:I asked a guy on a message board on the internet about this, and he said it was "super unlikely".
Number45forever said:http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10257061/rob-gronkowski-new-england-patriots-knee-surgery-thursday
Gronk having surgery on Thursday, Dr. James Andrews doing the honor. 6.5 months to start of training camp, so he'll probably not be ready for that?
Stitch01 said:Id be suprised if the Pats build their 2014 team under the assumption Gronk will be a part of it. Anything they get from him next year is gravy.
Realistically, I think they need to re-sign Edelman and draft a TE in the first few rounds next season. They just invested a couple picks on WR and Dobson and Thompkins have shown enough that I don't think it makes a lot of sense to throw more resources that way, and whether or not Gronkowski is healthy in 2014, TE depth is an issue. Hoomanawanui is a free agent one of the least-productive pass-catching TE in the league (no TE who's gone out for as many as Hoomanawanui's 200 pass routes has fewer targets or receiving yards). Whether or not they get a 100% Gronkowski next year, they need a Hernandez replacement if they want to run some 2-TE stuff, and that player would also provide Gronk insurance.dcmissle said:There is a mid-point between writing off and building your team on the assumption that he'll be part of the core. Add also that you can assume very little about the productiveness of Dobson, Boyce, Thompkins. WRs who make a big splash as rookies are pretty rare, but are any of these three take-to-the-bank in terms of their reliability for 2014 and what, specifically, it's reasonable to count on from them?
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Why?
We've seen numerous incidents recently of players bouncing back from ACL injuries and returning to form (or close to it) the next season. I don't see any reason why the Pats would just write off Gronk's 2014.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Why?
We've seen numerous incidents recently of players bouncing back from ACL injuries and returning to form (or close to it) the next season. I don't see any reason why the Pats would just write off Gronk's 2014.
Thompkins hasn't shown me he'll ever be anything more than a JAG. Boyce played like what 6 downs at WR? Dobson sure.lexrageorge said:I have to believe that Dobson, Thompkins, and Boyce shown enough this season that it's not simply wishcasting to think that at least one of them can take the next step in 2014 and develop into a dependable #1 or #2 target for Mr. Brady. Dobson seemed close to getting there midseason until he got hurt against Carolina.
Come draft time, the Pats may have a better feel for Gronk's availability for 2014. But since we already know Hernandez' availability for 2014, I'm fairly certain a TE will be on the offseason wish list for the Pats.
Reverend said:
It's not just an ACL though.
https://twitter.com/RosenhausSports/status/421371119376277504
With Rob & Gordy in Pensacola. Good news the surgery is over. Dr Andrews said it went very well.
Having seen Gronk's luck, I'm thankful this wasn't the one where Jimmy was like "damn I screwed up, maybe I should hang up my scrubs"BigSoxFan said:Of course, his other 85 surgeries "went very well" too.
Stitch01 said:Well, we know he didnt die on the table. That's a good start.