Pretty interesting 3D demonstration of an ACL surgery, detailing what Gronk will soon be going through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsq0sQp6DwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsq0sQp6DwU
Gronk's knee injury: surgery set in January
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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer2m
With Pats today, my Gronk update: Tests that showed torn ACL/MCL, also showed no dislocation. Expected to have surgery in about 2 weeks. ...
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer1m
... Gronkowski has to wait for swelling to go down before going under the knife. He's been told he should be ready for start of 2014 season.
With Pats today, my Gronk update: Tests that showed torn ACL/MCL, also showed no dislocation. Expected to have surgery in about 2 weeks. ...
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer1m
... Gronkowski has to wait for swelling to go down before going under the knife. He's been told he should be ready for start of 2014 season.
mpx42 said:
Based on the Breer report, it sounds like we are out of the woods on this one, right?DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
Sounds like this is about right. Two weeks is 12/30, which is basically January. Sounds like 2014 could unfold roughly like 2013, with Gronk resuming activities but not active for a few weeks. Of course, that's assuming no complications / additional surgeries. "Ready for 2014" seems optimistic, especially given his injury history and the (appropriately) cautious way they handled his recovery this year.DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
Could this have been lingering distrust of the Pats' medical staff? Or perhaps excessive caution on behalf of Gronk / his agent / his family / the team docs that don't want another black mark after how his arm was handled?DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
Not necessarily out of the woods on the cartilage issue - they may not be disclosing that or they may not actually find out until they get in. MRI is excellent at diagnosing ACLs and meniscus tears, not always as good with articular cartilage injuries. But hopefully so, I would think something would have leaked by now.Super Nomario said:
As for the overnight stay, I talked to one of the Pats' medical guys this weekend and he said it was for observation after his concussion, not having to do with his knee. I guess it's hard enough to assess Gronk's mental "status" at baseline, so they wanted to keep an eye on him and make sure he didn't do anything stupider than usual.
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
I asked a guy on a message board on the internet about this, and he said it was "super unlikely".
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10257061/rob-gronkowski-new-england-patriots-knee-surgery-thursday
Gronk having surgery on Thursday, Dr. James Andrews doing the honor. 6.5 months to start of training camp, so he'll probably not be ready for that?
Gronk having surgery on Thursday, Dr. James Andrews doing the honor. 6.5 months to start of training camp, so he'll probably not be ready for that?
Number45forever said:
Well, more importantly, it's still 9 months until Sunday, September 7th, which is scheduled to be the Patriots first game of the season (obviously it'll be moved to Thursday, September 4th after they win the Super Bowl).
According to this article written in December, Gronk should be back sometime in October. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1887221-rob-gronkowskis-acl-mcl-injury-will-he-be-ready-for-the-start-of-2014
Seems like it'll be a bit a deja vu for Gronk in 2014. He'll probably miss training camp as he rehabs, there will be precious little actual information about his progress, and the team will have to make a close call about whether to put him on PUP or gamble that he can return faster.
Stitch01 said:
Why?
We've seen numerous incidents recently of players bouncing back from ACL injuries and returning to form (or close to it) the next season. I don't see any reason why the Pats would just write off Gronk's 2014.
There is a mid-point between writing off and building your team on the assumption that he'll be part of the core. Add also that you can assume very little about the productiveness of Dobson, Boyce, Thompkins. WRs who make a big splash as rookies are pretty rare, but are any of these three take-to-the-bank in terms of their reliability for 2014 and what, specifically, it's reasonable to count on from them?
Realistically, I think they need to re-sign Edelman and draft a TE in the first few rounds next season. They just invested a couple picks on WR and Dobson and Thompkins have shown enough that I don't think it makes a lot of sense to throw more resources that way, and whether or not Gronkowski is healthy in 2014, TE depth is an issue. Hoomanawanui is a free agent one of the least-productive pass-catching TE in the league (no TE who's gone out for as many as Hoomanawanui's 200 pass routes has fewer targets or receiving yards). Whether or not they get a 100% Gronkowski next year, they need a Hernandez replacement if they want to run some 2-TE stuff, and that player would also provide Gronk insurance.dcmissle said:
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Its five or six surgeries in a year, the second straight year where Gronk isnt going to be able to have a normal offseason and, while players are returning from knee surgeries more quickly these days, there is still a range of rehab times and a range of effectiveness for guys that come back quickly from ACL tears.
I dont think it would be a very good plan to build a team thinking that Gronk was going to be there in '14. I suspect that means spending more resources on the TE position in the offseason, might change how they think about spending on Edelman and what they emphasize on offense, etc.
EDIT: I do agree with SN that the rookie receiving trio from this year and Amendola making equal/more contributions next year has to be a big part of the picture. Given the cap constraints and needs elsewhere, it seems unlikely to me unless the stars really align that the team puts meaningful resources into the WR position.
I have to believe that Dobson, Thompkins, and Boyce shown enough this season that it's not simply wishcasting to think that at least one of them can take the next step in 2014 and develop into a dependable #1 or #2 target for Mr. Brady. Dobson seemed close to getting there midseason until he got hurt against Carolina.
Come draft time, the Pats may have a better feel for Gronk's availability for 2014. But since we already know Hernandez' availability for 2014, I'm fairly certain a TE will be on the offseason wish list for the Pats.
Come draft time, the Pats may have a better feel for Gronk's availability for 2014. But since we already know Hernandez' availability for 2014, I'm fairly certain a TE will be on the offseason wish list for the Pats.
Phragle and I discussed this in the draft thread but there are two large tight ends who are excellent receivers in ASJ and Jace Amaro. If either is available when they pick in the late first you have to think both are on the table. You can get interior offensive and defensive line guys later on in the draft, even round two. But huge athletic receiving and potential blocking tight ends are a rare bunch and I think worthy of a high pick.
Agree with the above and not suggesting for a second that they ought to be in the WR aisle -- unless a compelling value is there. My point instead is that because you can't count on any of the baby WRs for any specific level of production, you'd better be sure you're squared away at TE. It is not too conservative to assume that anything Gronk delivers next year will be gravy.
Reverend said:
It's ACL/MCL (and a concussion but that won't add to the timeframe). Which isn't much different* from my initial point that most players still bounce back from that. Peterson, Brady, Welker, Revis, Cushing, Charles, just to name a few all tore both.
*I'm not saying it's not different from only tearing ACL, just that my point was guys bounce back from this exact injury more often than not these days.
Objectively, his ACL surgery and recovery shouldn't be a whole lot different than anyone else's. But, as has been mentioned before, he's now had 6 (SIX!!!!) surgeries in the last year. That's.... insane. His conditioning is not going to be where it needs to be by the start of next year. He's not going to be able to do the basic core strengthening exercises he would normally be doing in the off-season for months yet. If he doesn't start the season on the PUP list I'll give my $100 to the Jimmy Fund.
I'll let you know if I hear anything from my boy at the Andrews fellowship - he's in Alabama right now and I think Gronk is having his surgery in Clearwater, but he might still get some inside info.
I'll let you know if I hear anything from my boy at the Andrews fellowship - he's in Alabama right now and I think Gronk is having his surgery in Clearwater, but he might still get some inside info.
Drew Rosenhaus:
I'm guessing this isn't the venue where they would say if the knee looked worse than expected or anything like that. I'm choosing to focus on the "went very well" anyhow.
https://twitter.com/RosenhausSports/status/421371119376277504
I'm guessing this isn't the venue where they would say if the knee looked worse than expected or anything like that. I'm choosing to focus on the "went very well" anyhow.
