General Playoff Thread: The Long 2nd Season
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The board burped. In any event, agree that the length of Livingston makes him tough to guard but its simply amazing to me how the Cavs players seem to lose their men so easily when the ball is moving around. That needs to get fixed before Sunday.
Season high 18 for Livingston. Hard to draw a ton of conclusions from this game other than the Cavs had a great chance to steal this and didn't.
I admittedly haven't seen a lot of Cleveland this year, but if tonight is any indication, I'm saying that Kevin Love is the most overrated player in the NBA. He has single handedly destroyed Cleveland's chances in the fourth quarter. He's missed about 5 shots from point blank range, turned it over with bad passes and looks like a turnstile on defense. Just fucking dreadful.
You need to stop by here (the forum) more often Counselor. We have been debating Kevin Love for seasons now. That said, I still think the C's will go after him if he is on the block. And I support that.
Game over. Imagine if those two playing up to their potential. This isn't even going to be a series.
I don't know. Maybe a 7 footer who makes his bones from 3 point land, and fills up the box score with jumpers and uncontested rebounds, but I haven't seen anything else that would make me want to go out and get him, unless that's the type of fit the C's need. I think he's arguably been the worst player on the court tonight.
Except for maybe Lebron in the last 5 minutes. Jesus Lebron. He looks like he has vertigo or something. Falling down, dribbling off his legs, turnover after turnover.
And Golden State pounces. No more runs left for Cleveland.
I think once Warriors win in 5, James will almost certainly be looking to shake up the roster. And Love will be the guy to go.
Klay gets a 'bang' from Breen but not the full Breengasm as only LeBron would get that in this series.
It's not. But are Steph and Klay going to combine for 20 points on 8-27 shooting again? If the bench gives you a normal effort and Steph/Klay play well how is Cleveland going to win?
They won't need to. This series is done barring some kind of key injury. I will be very surprised if Cleveland wins more than 2 games.
Cleveland had a good gameplan tonight. Bench's production ruined that. This series isn't over by any stretch.
Love and Irving's injuries last year were really problematic because it gave the Cavs the illusion that thy could compete with GS if fully healthy. In reality, the two are just an overwhelming liability on defence. Now they've wasted another year of Lebron's late prime.
No way Cleveland makes that mistake again this offseason. Kevin Love is likely gone (maybe to the Celtics) and there's talk of a Irving-Paul trade (not sure who says no to that given the age gap).
Not his fault but a 2-5 Finals record is going to bring out the usual talking heads ragging on Lebron.
No way Cleveland makes that mistake again this offseason. Kevin Love is likely gone (maybe to the Celtics) and there's talk of a Irving-Paul trade (not sure who says no to that given the age gap).
Not his fault but a 2-5 Finals record is going to bring out the usual talking heads ragging on Lebron.
I won't be. Cleveland's a good team and showed some interesting things tonight.
This series is not over. I agree with G&MB. The Cavs will make some adjustments and the Warriors bench won't continue to shoot >50% from the field.
It's also a salient question to ask who on the Cavs is going to step up if Lebron and Kyrie aren't carrying them. That G-State can afford to have off nights from both of their stars and still win is part of what makes them a better team than Cleveland.
Cleveland is probably the 4th best team in the NBA and maybe 5th if the Clippers were healthy. They are toast.
Which was what? Defensively they tried switching on all of the screens and PnR's but weren't able to do it that well. Offensively it didn't seem there was much working.
This series is over in 5 games.
What would he cost?
He'd be a nice addition, but he wouldn't be a game-changer like adding Cousins (for example), so it would certainly be possible to overpay.
Yea idk the Warriors are favorites (Duh) and I get Steph and Klay will not have a game like that again, but I don't think this series is over by any means. Again, the Cavs played incredibly sloppy. Some of that is correctable for sure (unforced turnovers, missed layups), some of it might not be (the breakdowns on defense). I thought they did a pretty good job on Steph when he was in the game, except for a few times where he got open looks. Same for Klay. I don't think the Warriors bench will score 50 again, I don't think Frye and Smith will combine for 3 points either. The Cavs had the lead in the 3rd quarter.
I think the Warriors will win the series, but all of the "have 0 chance" and "series is over" people in here must be licking their chops at the 5.5 point spread next game, and the Warriors being underdogs (!) in the games in Cleveland. Free money!
I think the Warriors will win the series, but all of the "have 0 chance" and "series is over" people in here must be licking their chops at the 5.5 point spread next game, and the Warriors being underdogs (!) in the games in Cleveland. Free money!
This is over
4 maybe 5
Cleveland can't defend options 3-9
Igoudala is a silent weapon
I'm with this. Only LeBron beast mode, some injury or total ref bullshit gets this series to 6 games.
Cleveland's big 3 played very well offensively and 2 of GS's 3 did not. If this happens, Cleveland must win to make it a series and they lost by double digits. I don't care what your game plan is. If Curry and Thompson play like they did they had to win this game. GS's bench is a decided advantage over Cleveland so how do you think it won't continue to be one? It won't be to a 45-10 scoring margin but it will be better.
Today I learned 7-22, 9-21, and 7-17 with 11 turnovers and like 4-5 missed layups is "good offensively".
Those of us writing this series off aren't discounting the fact that Cleveland's big 3 can have better offensive games going forward. And sure, they may all go off in one game with help from the bench and the Warriors' bench may fade while Curry and Thompson don't improve much from tonight. That's why we're saying it'll be over in 5 and not a sweep
I was talking about the point totals versus GS's there buddy. They out score GS's and they had better win.
I disagree. If they out score them while still shooting like shit from the floor they have no chance, and shooting 38% from the floor doesn't classify a good offensive game for those 3 in any circumstance.
7 games into his finals career and JR Smith still hasn't shown up.
I'm not holding my breath, either...
I'm not holding my breath, either...
Whenever you hear someone bring up this W-L record it's like witnessing someone failing a BBIQ test right before your eyes.
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its simply amazing to me how the Cavs players seem to lose their men so easily when the ball is moving around. That needs to get fixed before Sunday.[/QUOTE]
That is what I have been saying. They will not be able to guard GS. They kept losing Lowry and Derozen.
its simply amazing to me how the Cavs players seem to lose their men so easily when the ball is moving around. That needs to get fixed before Sunday.[/QUOTE]
That is what I have been saying. They will not be able to guard GS. They kept losing Lowry and Derozen.
At this point it seems pretty hard to debate that Bradley+Crowder for Love would give this Cavs team a better chance to win this series. Not saying the talent is even or the matchups would be so favorable against every team, but you just can't have your PF on swivel for an entire game vs. an offense like Golden State's and expect to win.
I'm not sure there's a possible trade out there that would cripple an entire defense as quickly as that would. C's already rely too much on Bradley and Crowder going full bore at all times as it is.
Though I guess it would be fun to see Love get yanked off the floor so that Smart can go cover his man instead.
Blitz Curry and Thompson, switch on everything, and make others beat you. The others beat them. But that's still the best bet for beating Golden State, and Cleveland's a much better offensive team than they showed tonight.
Golden State's still the favorite, of course, and my money's on them. But Cleveland is going to make it difficult.