He needs to be put on a plane to Vegas.I really need a Mangini reconciliation
Logan?Mr. Ryan, please pick up the white courtesy telephone
Can we get both the Ryans under one roof? Count me in for entertainment value.Hey, Rob worked under Belichick before. I've read Rex's book on the 46 defense and I think they are probably 70-80% compatible (they believe in game-planning, multiple coverage schemes, multiple double-teaming options, DL that can defend the run, and schemed pressure). They are at pretty different ends of the spectrum on the other 20-30% though.
https://pres5.com/forextrading/why-did-greg-schiano-really-leave-the-patriots-cbs-boston/“My understand is this is pretty much exactly how he laid it out in the statement; this is family related,” Breer said during his Friday morning appearance on 98.5 The Sports Hub’s Toucher & Rich. “He has a daughter who is a big-time soccer recruit, and will wind up going to a really big school for soccer. [She is in high school] and I think that was a factor. Picking up and moving his family was a factor, and a piece of this at the very least.”
Breer said that maybe Schiano didn’t like the dynamic in New England, but that is purely speculation.
“What you can speculate on of course is the idea the Bill’s defensive coordinators don’t have a lot of autonomy. Greg has been a head coach and is used to having a lot of autonomy,” said Breer. “But I think it’s probably more about the family than anything else, that is at least that is my understanding. But I would leave the possibility open that part of this had to do with how he fit into the staff as well.”
“It’s a strange situation and I’m not trying to downplay that part of it,” Breer continued. “But as far as I can tell right now, there is nothing crazy about this one. … Maybe there is [a scandal], but I haven’t been able to find it. I know a lot of people at the Ohio State program, and the idea that he would do this and pull the plug because his family is important to them doesn’t seem foreign to them.”
Good riddance.
Yeah this is where I am. Now if Michael B can just retire (or his brother can just sign here), it will make up a little for the beginning of the week.I mean, good. He's a renowned jerk and it will be pleasant not to root for him.
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Mr. Ryan, please pick up the white courtesy telephone
Providence is closer.Logan?
Lock them in a room and have them fight to the death. The winner gets to be DC.Can we get both the Ryans under one roof? Count me in for entertainment value.
But less than two months after arriving in New England, Schiano abandoned ship. A March statement said that he wanted to focus on “faith and family.” Belichick provided no good answers for why Schiano left. (Maybe try asking him about punters.) The Patriots opted not to replace Schiano and headed into this season without a defensive coordinator.
Now, seven months later, it seems like we’re finally getting answers as to what happened: On Sunday, Football Scoop reported that Schiano left the Patriots expecting that a coaching change would happen at Rutgers. He reportedly told Belichick that he believed the Scarlet Knights job would open during the 2019 season, and that he would accept the job if it was offered to him. According to Football Scoop, Belichick did not want his coordinator to leave during the middle of the NFL season, and the two reportedly agreed that Schiano should resign.
Rutgers coaching has sucked for a long time (5 Big "Ten" wins in 5+ years!) and nothing happened between February and March that would have changed that.
Would Rutgers want him back? I was under the impression that he wasn’t very popular there due to underperforming expectations.Rutgers coaching has sucked for a long time (5 Big "Ten" wins in 5+ years!) and nothing happened between February and March that would have changed that.
I guess it's possible that whichever Rutgers booster that paid off the Chris Ash contract (I think it there was 7.5 mil left) told Schiano that he would only do it if Schiano was brought back as coach.
Maybe, but they would have been expectations set because he did well. They're 26-56 since he left.Would Rutgers want him back? I was under the impression that he wasn’t very popular there due to underperforming expectations.
As a friend of mine who went there and worked there used to say, it doesn’t really matter who coaches because the school never really committed to letting criminals in to play football. Maybe that’s changed but if not, what Schiano allegedly brought Rutgers was Florida recruiting connections that may not be as strong as they were back then.Maybe, but they would have been expectations set because he did well. They're 26-56 since he left.
Everybody who went to a school with a bad athletic program says that. Joining the Big 10 and playing Michigan and Penn St. every year, I'm guessing, has made it harder for them to recruit instate.As a friend of mine who went there and worked there used to say, it doesn’t really matter who coaches because the school never really committed to letting criminals in to play football. Maybe that’s changed but if not, what Schiano allegedly brought Rutgers was Florida recruiting connections that may not be as strong as they were back then.
But we’ll see, eh?
True. But I’m not a fan. And I can assure you that division I schools differ greatly in how much criminal behavior athletes can get away with. (I’ve worked at two and adjacent to a third.)Everybody who went to a school with a bad athletic program says that. Joining the Big 10 and playing Michigan and Penn St. every year, I'm guessing, has made it harder for them to recruit instate.
I'm glad to hear that it is true about Rutgers. I never really considered it a northern version of Baylor. More inept than nefarious. I do remember when they first hired Schiano. He was, from some Rutgers fans I knew, was going to be the savior. He wasn't going let other schools poach New Jersey anymore.True. But I’m not a fan. And I can assure you that division I schools differ greatly in how much criminal behavior athletes can get away with. (I’ve worked at two and adjacent to a third.)
The real bitterness is at the schools that let the criminals in and still lose.
But yeah, I haven’t been around there in years, but the Rutgers football team was far less rapey, for example, than some other programs. Which is a shitty bar, I know, but so it goes... hopefully Title IX enforcement can clean that up a bit so it’s not a factor, it as it stands some schools have a competitive advantage in that players learn which schools are more permissive. It really, really sucks, though I agree some of the worst offenders claim they are not among them.
But I think @DrewDawg ’s theory that the guy looks pretty good now that he’s gone sounds plausible. I just thought it interesting that he wasn’t very popular there at the time.
Fun fact: Rutgers bulldozed a small part of their ecological preserve to build a house for Schiano closer to the athletic facilities. It was a wonderful backdrop to the discussion at the time about what the community wanted out of the football program.
The Baylor program should have been burned to the ground and its ashes scattered across the world’s oceans.I'm glad to hear that it is true about Rutgers. I never really considered it a northern version of Baylor. More inept than nefarious. I do remember when they first hired Schiano. He was, from some Rutgers fans I knew, was going to be the savior. He wasn't going let other schools poach New Jersey anymore.
The Baylor program should have been burned to the ground and its ashes scattered across the world’s oceans.
NJ poaching is definitely a thing; NJ has some great high school programs.
I just can’t see Schiano being better at recruiting now than he was before, and as @snowmanny points our, he left a fairly plum job that would have been good for his rep.
1. AmenThe Baylor program should have been burned to the ground and its ashes scattered across the world’s oceans.
NJ poaching is definitely a thing; NJ has some great high school programs.
I just can’t see Schiano being better at recruiting now than he was before, and as @snowmanny points our, he left a fairly plum job that would have been good for his rep.
Yeah, the recruiting didn’t work out the first time because the Florida players didn’t come; it seems they radically overestimated the staggering drawing power of the Garden State. Schiano didn’t make the difference for the blue chippers, or so went the narrative on campus at the time.3. I was referring to the first time Rutgers hired him. He didn't do too well then. He couldn't keep BC out. Now he has to compete against Penn St., Michigan, and Ohio St. on on and off the field
I worked at Rutgers during their Bowl win.Yeah, the recruiting didn’t work out the first time because the Florida players didn’t come; it seems they radically overestimated the staggering drawing power of the Garden State. Schiano didn’t make the difference for the blue chippers, or so went the narrative on campus at the time.
Schiano seems to me to be in a sort of limbo between being not talented enough to coach in the pros and not good enough at recruiting to coach division I (unless it’s a program with an intrinsic draw like the ones you mention are his competition at Rutgers. It should be interesting to see how this plays out, because I’ve never been able to figure out what Belichick sees in the guy. One of his players told me he was a total dick too. Good kid.
I’ve in the past wondered if I should start an AMA thread on what college football programs look like from the POV of working at the schools (I don’t think I’m the only one here, too.) in another forum (maybe a members only one... ) but I dunno, college sports make people cray-cray.
See, the thing about Rutgers sports is that there is never a silver lining. They let in plenty of criminals for years and years. Just not the right ones
That's just a sampling. Rutgers is not upholding higher academic (or moral) standards for their athletes. Kyle Flood (2 coaches ago) was fired for not only losing but also trying to browbeat an adjunct into changing a grade.
There are no happy Rutgers stories, at least not among the alleged revenue-generating ones. Their most successful player is Ray Rice. It just goes on and on. (You can stretch and let in Carli Lloyd, I guess).
Good discussion, but we’re getting pretty far afield of BBtLs. Is there interest in a separate thread on this stuff?See, the thing about Rutgers sports is that there is never a silver lining. They let in plenty of criminals for years and years. Just not the right ones
That's just a sampling. Rutgers is not upholding higher academic (or moral) standards for their athletes. Kyle Flood (2 coaches ago) was fired for not only losing but also trying to browbeat an adjunct into changing a grade.
There are no happy Rutgers stories, at least not among the alleged revenue-generating sports. Their most successful player is Ray Rice. It just goes on and on. (You can stretch and let in Carli Lloyd, I guess).
Edit to add some sunshine: The math and philosophy programs are world-class (and their economic history field, ahem). They lead the Big Ten in a lot of diversity measures. They pay their adjuncts better than most area schools.