There is approximately a 100% chance he won't be tried before the Super Bowl.I don't mean now as in he has to fly to AZ today but what is the likelihood he is able to extend his hearing past the playoffs?
There is approximately a 100% chance he won't be tried before the Super Bowl.I don't mean now as in he has to fly to AZ today but what is the likelihood he is able to extend his hearing past the playoffs?
Ben Volin says that Floyd's next court date is in late February so there will be no resolution in this case until after the Super Bowl.There is approximately a 100% chance he won't be tried before the Super Bowl.
This is not the right way to look at this at all. Sure, maybe he has some kind of serious problem that he never solves. And I don't fault anyone for the opinion that someone like this (multiple offender) isn't worth the risk/distraction/etc. But the "He already had his come-to-Jesus moment" line of thinking is misplaced. Many of those facing issues with addiction or dangerous behavior in general have many false moments of clarity before the real one finally happens. Assuming that someone won't change just because they failed before is not good. Sometimes it really is the 10th rock bottom before that guy changes his life for good. Some of us here are that guy.I think you are barking up the wrong tree. He already had his Chris Carter chance. He's on his third Chance minimum. Maybe more as no telling how often home town cops let him go in high school or ND cops when he was in college.
Why do you have to bother posting such racist nonsense is beyond me. You should try better next time.I know. A drunk black man in a car like that.
Perfect alignment of post and handle.Yes, all criminal penalties get imposed immediately following TMZ publication in Arizona.
I believe it's judged on the kayaking scale.I'm sort of amused that there's a law on the books with "Super Extreme" in the title.
Is that worse than "Most Extreme"?
You're absolutely right about this, and furthermore - why should any of us care how many chances he gets? There are two sides to this - his own recovery from addiction (if that's what is going on), and the Patriots' business decision to sign him. At some point, the risk will be higher than the reward with Floyd from a football standpoint if he doesn't get his issues under control. The Patriots have decided that, for them, that point has not arrived. The Cardinals were in a different position with regard to their playoff hopes, his contract, and his history with the team, so they chose differently.This is not the right way to look at this at all. Sure, maybe he has some kind of serious problem that he never solves. And I don't fault anyone for the opinion that someone like this (multiple offender) isn't worth the risk/distraction/etc. But the "He already had his come-to-Jesus moment" line of thinking is misplaced. Many of those facing issues with addiction or dangerous behavior in general have many false moments of clarity before the real one finally happens. Assuming that someone won't change just because they failed before is not good. Sometimes it really is the 10th rock bottom before that guy changes his life for good. Some of us here are that guy.
One thing when you do things that are detrimental to your health, I feel bad for those people and hope they get the help they need. My BIL is a semi-recovering drug addict.This is not the right way to look at this at all. Sure, maybe he has some kind of serious problem that he never solves. And I don't fault anyone for the opinion that someone like this (multiple offender) isn't worth the risk/distraction/etc. But the "He already had his come-to-Jesus moment" line of thinking is misplaced. Many of those facing issues with addiction or dangerous behavior in general have many false moments of clarity before the real one finally happens. Assuming that someone won't change just because they failed before is not good. Sometimes it really is the 10th rock bottom before that guy changes his life for good. Some of us here are that guy.
That would be quite the turnabout from using Deflategate as a way of NOT talking about Ray Rice, Sheldon Richardson, Josh Brown, etc.The thought of DUI Floyd putting up a TD or two against Woody Johnson's team is interesting.
I have no issues with the signing whatsoever, but I wonder if the league is having ESPN make a huge deal of this story so the league can justify a quick suspension (also to distract from the Giants). I'm not sure how the CBA handles that, or how long an appeal would take, though.
The many NY fans working in ESPN productions don't always wait for instructions from NFL HQ.That would be quite the turnabout from using Deflategate as a way of NOT talking about Ray Rice, Sheldon Richardson, Josh Brown, etc.
Eh, the shine of PATRIOTS BAD probably is brighter than NFL BAD on this one. Comments sections in the related articles would seem to confirm that.That would be quite the turnabout from using Deflategate as a way of NOT talking about Ray Rice, Sheldon Richardson, Josh Brown, etc.
And yet most never stop and never change - I have many friends like that or maybe the change/true bottom hasn't happened yet. Sure *seems* like Floyd has a problem (that's a bigger reading than I even had way back in the day), but it's up to *him* to self-diagnose that problem. Once/if he does that, he has a chance/shot to get clean/sober, get help, etc.This is not the right way to look at this at all. Sure, maybe he has some kind of serious problem that he never solves. And I don't fault anyone for the opinion that someone like this (multiple offender) isn't worth the risk/distraction/etc. But the "He already had his come-to-Jesus moment" line of thinking is misplaced. Many of those facing issues with addiction or dangerous behavior in general have many false moments of clarity before the real one finally happens. Assuming that someone won't change just because they failed before is not good. Sometimes it really is the 10th rock bottom before that guy changes his life for good. Some of us here are that guy.
I doubt he got much leeway at ND. Relations between SBPD and ND students are strained at best.I think you are barking up the wrong tree. He already had his Chris Carter chance. He's on his third Chance minimum. Maybe more as no telling how often home town cops let him go in high school or ND cops when he was in college.
I don't mean now as in he has to fly to AZ today but what is the likelihood he is able to extend his hearing past the playoffs?
There is approximately a 100% chance he won't be tried before the Super Bowl.
Ben Volin says that Floyd's next court date is in late February so there will be no resolution in this case until after the Super Bowl.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/21/michael-floyds-bac-was-0-217-percent/The arrest happened shortly before 3:00 a.m. local time; the game against the Dolphins had ended roughly 11 hours earlier. He reportedly told police that he had one drink. He later said he had two drinks between 6 p.m. and 8 p.m. local time. He also told several different stories about where he had the drinks before eventually claiming he drank wine on the flight back from Florida.
Floyd, who weighs 220 pounds, likely had to consume a significant amount of alcohol to generate a BAC reading that high, since alcohol percentage in the blood is influenced mainly by body weight. Which means that he possibly consumed plenty of alcohol on the plane.
Technically prohibited by league rules, players nevertheless find a way to get alcohol on the team plane. The no-alcohol rule arises in part from a desire to avoid incidents like the one that occured last week, when alcohol consumed while with the team may have contributed directly to the operation of a motor vehicle in an impaired state.
If/when Floyd resolves the legal case with any degree of responsibility (and it looks to be open and shut), he likely will face a two-game suspension from the league. In the interim, the Cardinals may be facing questions from the league regarding how players are getting alcohol on the plane — and why the team isn’t noticing that they’re drinking it, potentially in copious amounts.
What is a semi-recovering drug addict?One thing when you do things that are detrimental to your health, I feel bad for those people and hope they get the help they need. My BIL is a semi-recovering drug addict......
Yes, excellent!This is where we point out how severe the punishment would be if the Pats were caught doing this, right?
I don't see how any suspension (and if he pleads guilty it's like to be more than 2-games because Goodell also has "super-extreme" discretion above .15) would be on the Patriots. They'd cut him if he pleads guilty, and if he checks himself into rehab, he'd be unable to play through the end of his contract, so any suspension would be for his next team.Before this video surfaced, Floyd might reasonably have hoped his lawyers could make this DUI go away, but that seems unlikely now. If I'm his agent, I would want him to serve his 2-game suspension right away, so he can hit the free-agent market with this issue behind him. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Floyd issues a mea culpa and checks into rehab in the next day or two.
Huh? How would they have made it go away? Once he's booked and it's in the police blotter - let alone in the newspaper - there's no more making it go away. The video doesn't change anything. It might hurt his chances to plea it down because it's now an example for the public. But I don't see how once he's been arrested, processed and court orders started being issued to draw blood, how a lawyer could make it disappear, or at least if one could, how it would change based on the video. These things going away involve the officer quietly driving him home and telling him to sleep it off. The best a lawyer could hope for after he's had blood drawn is some kind of issue with evidence or testing.Before this video surfaced, Floyd might reasonably have hoped his lawyers could make this DUI go away, but that seems unlikely now. If I'm his agent, I would want him to serve his 2-game suspension right away, so he can hit the free-agent market with this issue behind him. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Floyd issues a mea culpa and checks into rehab in the next day or two.
I was thinking some kind of pre-trial diversion where the prosecution agreed to drop the case if Floyd kept out of trouble for some specified period of time. If the case were disposed of without a conviction or an admission, it would be hard for the NFL to take action.Huh? How would they have made it go away? Once he's booked and it's in the police blotter - let alone in the newspaper - there's no more making it go away. The video doesn't change anything. It might hurt his chances to plea it down because it's now an example for the public. But I don't see how once he's been arrested, processed and court orders started being issued to draw blood, how a lawyer could make it disappear, or at least if one could, how it would change based on the video. These things going away involve the officer quietly driving him home and telling him to sleep it off. The best a lawyer could hope for after he's had blood drawn is some kind of issue with evidence or testing.
I'm not sure what case in NY you're talking about and can't find anything on it. Link? He was charged with felony gun possession in CA in 2009, pled it down and served a three game suspension.I was thinking some kind of pre-trial diversion where the prosecution agreed to drop the case if Floyd kept out of trouble for some specified period of time. If the case were disposed of without a conviction or an admission, it would be hard for the NFL to take action.
Last I knew, Marshawn Lynch had a weapons case from several years ago in upstate New York that had been continued indefinitely without a finding, so it definitely happens that prosecutors decide that pursuing open-and-shut cases isn't worth their time -- particularly when the defendant has moved away and no longer poses a risk to the prosecutor's community.
Having a video of Floyd's arrest makes it much less likely that something like this would happen -- you wouldn't want to be the prosecutor who dropped this case if Floyd kills someone in a drunk-driving accident two years from now, even if it's not in your community.
Hahaha. As if you didn't expect it old friend. Its as inevitable as jokes about you defiling someones mom and JMOH photoshops.Oy vey.
You think Floyd is gonna give up a million bucks or so at this point, between salary and playoff share? Two games salary this year is likely going to be significantly more for him than next, unless he turns into Randy Moss the next 3-5 games.Before this video surfaced, Floyd might reasonably have hoped his lawyers could make this DUI go away, but that seems unlikely now. If I'm his agent, I would want him to serve his 2-game suspension right away, so he can hit the free-agent market with this issue behind him. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Floyd issues a mea culpa and checks into rehab in the next day or two.
Is that in the metric or imperial system?Wait, he had a BAC of .22 at 3 AM and is a 220 pound guy who started drinking 9 hours beforehand?
My approximate calculation: He had a fuckton of drinks.
If one more person aggressively announces they don't understand irony and just assume the worst about their fellow posters instead of asking for clarification, I may lose my shit.Why do you have to bother posting such racist nonsense is beyond me. You should try better next time.
I stand corrected -- the weapons charge was in California. I guess I was thinking of the earlier hit-and-run in Buffalo, where he wasn't charged.I'm not sure what case in NY you're talking about and can't find anything on it. Link? He was charged with felony gun possession in CA in 2009, pled it down and served a three game suspension.
I'd be thrilled if that's the big story, as it would mean there were no crushing injuries in the next four games and that they aren't playing the Giants.I hope the Patriots are prepared for this to be the "big story" in the two weeks leading up to the Superbowl. ...assuming they make it that far ;-)
It would be a devastating distraction the likes of which we've never seen.I hope the Patriots are prepared for this to be the "big story" in the two weeks leading up to the Superbowl. ...assuming they make it that far ;-)
It would be a devastating distraction the likes of which we've never seen.
Maybe it would facilitate a plea to something less than "Super Extreme"; or reduce the length of the post-incarceration penalty (probation, etc.) A judge would have to accept a plea, but those are the sort of things that might sway a prosecutor to allow him to plead to something that might require less jail time.The 6 months and other penalties are mandatory for 2nd time super extreme DUI in Arizona so he certainly seems to need rehab, but it won't reduce his sentence.
I think most people make a distinction between someone who maybe had 3 drinks instead of 2 and someone who had 11 or however many Floyd had to get into that state. Neither is good, but I'd worry a lot more about the latter being on the road. The state of Arizona definitely thinks it matters, hence the harsher penalty.Why does the BAC level matter in terms of changing his status as a player? Either you are OK with playing a player who had a DUI or you aren't.
Do you think there's a BAC limit to the Patriots signing players coming off a DUI?Belichick says he wasn't aware of Floyd's BAC until yesterday.
My guess is Floyd plays zero snaps for the Patriots.
Do you think there's a BAC limit to the Patriots signing players coming off a DUI?
It's weird, and I likely won't express this right---signing the guy is one thing, but cutting him when you find a specific BAC could lead to questions like "So, a BAC of .150 would have been okay? That's not bad enough?"
Did he go out of his way or did a reporter ask him? Then again, I guess giving a straightforward answer to a non-football question is close enough to going out of his way for Bill.Obviously they don't have a BAC threshold. But when it falls into the legal category of "severely impaired", they probably look at that differently. And Belichick has gone out of his way to say they ddin;t know that when they signed him.
But he said he was aware of the situation. If that's the trigger, then he's cut today right?Obviously they don't have a BAC threshold. But when it falls into the legal category of "severely impaired", they probably look at that differently. And Belichick has gone out of his way to say they didn't know that when they signed him.