So basically what you're saying is because you don't like Josh Beckett, you'll flat out agree with lazy and, often times, factually dishonest narratives?
Good to know.
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Good to know.
Not necessarily, but I agree with Felger when he calls Beckett a Fake Texas Toughguy and that he doesn't usually pitch well unless he gets what he wants, like Tek having to be his catcher.
Sorry if I peed on your binky.
Sorry if I peed on your binky.
Felger, Mazz, and the callers are attacking the Red Sox from all angles today ranging from the injuries to the rotation, the lack of "baseball character," the direction ownership has taken the team, Francona, etc.
It's a complete pile on, and in a way is the kind of radio that I need on a day like today. I know it's probably bad sports radio, and I know few of these claims are rooted in hard facts. Still though, it's what I need for my upcoming drive home.
It's a complete pile on, and in a way is the kind of radio that I need on a day like today. I know it's probably bad sports radio, and I know few of these claims are rooted in hard facts. Still though, it's what I need for my upcoming drive home.
In measured doses (which, of course, you won't get) this is fair.
Upthread, I think, I took Mazz to task for writing that injuries are no excuse. I should have tempered my criticism a bit. They are an excuse for not winning 100 games and, perhaps, the division. They are not an excuse for the epic, historic, meltdown that MAY be in the making. I don't think there is any lipstick sufficient for that pig, for which there would be more than enough blame to go around.
I've finally come to believe in my dotage that sports is NOT a morality play. Listening to Mazz's high-pitched squeals about the "lazy" Red Sox players and Felger's incessant whines about the lack of character and toughness of Becket and others makes me realize that even if I don't understand how to do it, sabremetrics are a much better guide to what happens over the course of a year than the intestinal fortitude of dirt dogs.
F&M are officially unlistenable.
F&M are officially unlistenable.
I really enjoy Felger and Mazz, unless it's baseball season, so I stopped listening after the Bruins won The Cup. However, I still see Felger on Comcast Sports Tonight. Last night he literally said Crawford might be faking an injury because he's afraid to play down the stretch. Merloni and Dale Arnold were incredulous. Dale replied, (paraphrasing) "I understand some guys are soft and won't play unless they're 100% like JD Drew, but I don't think anybody is actually faking injuries". Felger answered by saying, "Well, it happens all the time." I was just as pissed as anybody when I saw Crawford wasn't in the lineup but I wouldn't compare his stiff neck to Manny's "bad knee".
Just to stimulate conversation and not to stick up for Felger, but, why not?
It does seem a little fishy that he was a healthy scratch the night before, he's struggling, and just as batting practice starts he gets a stiff neck and can't play either game. Even during the Francona interview that I heard on F&M on the ride home yesterday, Tito didn't sound convinced that he was actually hurt.
He may be a JD Drew type of guy that needs to be 100%, I have not idea, but I wouldn't put it past most ballplayers that are struggling during what could be an epic collapse, to exaggerate an injury to avoid being the goat.
It's nice to see nothing was learned from the Ellsbury fiasco last year. It's really really easy to call someone else soft when you have no idea what's happening to/with them.
It's also nice to see people use circumstantial garbage and make shit up to fit their argument.
""He took a swing, the very first swing he took down the cage and his neck just spasmed up. He tried to loosen it up and went about his normal day. It just wasn't happening. It was getting worse."
Yeah, Tito's really taking digs at Crawford. It makes perfect sense that you align yourself where you do. Thoughtless and lazy definitely fits your M.O.
I'm sure your reply will be written accordingly.
I forgot that "struggling" consisted of being 5 for 8 in his last 3 games. I'm sure notoriously streaky hitters love missing games when they start hitting the ball well.
Maybe you should try thinking for yourself instead of just relaying what Felger and Mazz think. F&M decide that, because Tito said "I dunno" twice...well, shit, he's done sticking up for Crawford! Take out the "I dunno's" and what are you left with?
""He took a swing, the very first swing he took down the cage and his neck just spasmed up. He tried to loosen it up and went about his normal day. It just wasn't happening. It was getting worse."
Yeah, Tito's really taking digs at Crawford. It makes perfect sense that you align yourself where you do. Thoughtless and lazy definitely fits your M.O.
I'm sure your reply will be written accordingly.
Yeah I get your point - and it's a fair one. But first off, he really isn't struggling compared to what he's done most of the season. His OPS the past two weeks is .816 and he has 5 hits in his last 3 games. Sure, sss and all but he's been much colder at other times during the season. And I did hear Tito yesterday (although I don't know which of the three press conferences he did), and it sounded believable to me. Also McAdam went out of his way saying he talked with a few people in the locker room who said he did everything possible to get the neck fixed to play in both games.
The truth is we can accuse anybody for faking an injury and there is no way to know if we're right. Obviously nobody ever knows who is "gutting it out" and who is dogging it, but Crawford, as far as I know, has zero history of this. And after all that went down last season over Ellsbury, I find it odd to jump to that conclusion.
As for not wanting to play unless you're 100% healthy, I couldn't agree more. And that may be the case for CC. But Felger and others I heard on the radio this morning think he is just flat out faking. That's a pretty damning accusation and one I wouldn't make and find a little reckless. But that's just me.
Great response. McAdams is one of the best, so I'll take what he has to say for gospel because he doesn't just throw shit against the wall for reactions, which is something Felger does all the time. He also isn't some kind of mouthpiece for the organization, so if he writes that CC was doing everything possible I'm going to believe it.
As for the Ellsbury comp, he had his own fucking teammates throwing him under the bus last season because they felt he was faking.
It is a reckless accusation to make, especially if they want to ignore legitimate reporters who are actually digging for facts and presumably talking to the medical staff and trainers.
I never thought he was completely faking it, but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that he got an ouchie and didn't feel 100% so he took himself out of the game like Drew would.
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JMOH is right, you are cute when you are mad.
JMOH is right, you are cute when you are mad.
The last thing I want to do is open up this situation again, but it was 99% media and fans who ripped Ellsbury. I could be wrong but the only guy I remember taking a shot at Ellsbury was Youk, and he was primarily just questioning why he was in Arizona and not with the team.
So I hate when people keep saying, "well even his teammates thought he was faking it" - at least on record, that's just not true. And twisting Youk's comment to fit that argument is a stretch in my opinion.
I'm listening today because I love Lackey hatred as much as anyone.
But man, Wiggy is already annoying the shit outta me.
But man, Wiggy is already annoying the shit outta me.
I tried. I tried. I tried to listen today. Wiggy Tuesday: "They don't have enough dirt dogs". Click.
Is this Wiggy guy the under 35 year old version of Larry Johnson? His fucking Boston accent, his total lack of knowledge about sports, his insistence that his opinion has validity...christ, this guy blows.
A ratings-chastened Big O and Holley are better than this garbage.
A ratings-chastened Big O and Holley are better than this garbage.
This Wiggy guy? You know he had 10 receptions in one of the most important games in New England Patriots history, right?
Of course not. I'm not defending Wiggy's talent as a radio personality (he sucks), but he does have some credentials.
I just don't think she is aware of who he actually is.
It doesn't matter who he is or if he played football. He's bad at the job he has now, which is talking on the radio.
Heard secondhand info that according to Chad Finn, Felger & Mazz will be simulcast on CSNNE (no link yet, just scuttlebutt).
The last major news they launched was Wiggy Wednesdays, hopefully there's no where to go but up!
They could announce they are bringing in Larry Johnson to co-host with him on Wednesdays.
My money is on them announcing they're playing Sweet Caroline at 5:36 of every show going forward.
A simulcast makes some sense given that CSNNE already has the Dan Patrick show and it seems like a simple way to fill air time. I think it might be Bruins related. Some special Bruins segment, guest or interview for the coming season.
I think Chad Finn knows more than he is letting on and honestly moving F&M to CNNSE simulcast makes too much sense.
Viewers are already familiar with Felger due to the 12 or 13 shows he participates in, they aren't going head to head with D&C on NESN (not to mention Toucher and Rich already said they would never do a simulcast), and it's a cheap way to fill airtime between 2-6PM.
Viewers are already familiar with Felger due to the 12 or 13 shows he participates in, they aren't going head to head with D&C on NESN (not to mention Toucher and Rich already said they would never do a simulcast), and it's a cheap way to fill airtime between 2-6PM.
Did they say when it starts?
A T&R simulcast would be awful. Glad they won't do it. Definitely not the type of show where a simulcast adds any value. I don't know how much it adds for Felger and Mazz but it is a negative to a show like T&R. I'm going to go make money panini now.
A T&R simulcast would be awful. Glad they won't do it. Definitely not the type of show where a simulcast adds any value. I don't know how much it adds for Felger and Mazz but it is a negative to a show like T&R. I'm going to go make money panini now.
I turned on Felger and Mazz on the way home today...Felger was talking and Tony replied with a response that ended in a question.
I was expecting Felger to reply when, all of a sudden, the voice of Wiggy was heard.
Click.
Tony's rant about Ellsbury being a "Stat Guy" on his baseball show last night was horrible.
It all started with him saying how he thought Ellsbury should have caught that ball and an "elite outfielder" would have. Well, maybe, but then to try and defent that argument he painted himself into a corner and every statement he made was dumber than the previous one.
It all started with him saying how he thought Ellsbury should have caught that ball and an "elite outfielder" would have. Well, maybe, but then to try and defent that argument he painted himself into a corner and every statement he made was dumber than the previous one.
Furthermore, he IS an elite OF.
But, of course, according to Mazz logic, if you don't catch that ball, you are not an elite OF.
Yeah he was pulling that shit when I was listening from 5:15-6 last night. It was nice to hear someone call him out and say "Last year he was a nancy and didn't hit for power, this year it's because he dropped a ball when he hit the wall."
Talk about making things larger than they need to be. That was not an easy catch that he dropped, his glove hit the wall awkwardly and popped out, shit like that happens. I doubt "trying harder" would have made a difference and there is no guarantee that Damon even gets to that ball, let alone hold onto it after he hit the wall.
edit: I've never been the biggest Ellsbury fan myself, but holy shit, give the guy a fucking break he's been one of the few bright spots this year.
Felger will be just what I need tomorrow. Can't wait. These clowns deserve everything they get.
I guess I'll never understand this. Why would you possibly want to revel in this?
Me either, probably a total sports blackout until football this weekend. Not even turning on NESN for the Bruins tomorrow. I'd rather stab my eyes out than listen to Mazz or any sports radio tomorrow.
Caught the first segment of F+M today after a late lunch....quite brutal. When stuff like this is going down, Felger is absolutely compelling, he has a way of distilling the information and trying to get to the heart of the matter that I find incredibly interesting. I know he's going to make me seriously consider a point or two that may even be contrary to my own.
But Mazz....he's somehow trying to pin what just happened on John Henry buying Liverpool and Rousch Racing. I mean, I don't expect much out of Tony, but every once in a while he really surprises me with just how stupid he can choose to be. If you were making a list of all the things that led to the demise we just saw, say a top 100, I don't think you could possibly manage to get to Liverpool. Plus he's somehow blaming their losing on going out and buying expensive players, which is exactly what he wanted them to do the whole time...it's like a gigantic intellectually dishonest vortex of inconsistency that just shouldn't be allowed to offend my ears. He started to bang this drum yesterday at the end of baseball reporters, but I figured someone would point out how stupid it was before their show prep today. If this is what 2-6 will be like today WEEI may just win back some converts.
But Mazz....he's somehow trying to pin what just happened on John Henry buying Liverpool and Rousch Racing. I mean, I don't expect much out of Tony, but every once in a while he really surprises me with just how stupid he can choose to be. If you were making a list of all the things that led to the demise we just saw, say a top 100, I don't think you could possibly manage to get to Liverpool. Plus he's somehow blaming their losing on going out and buying expensive players, which is exactly what he wanted them to do the whole time...it's like a gigantic intellectually dishonest vortex of inconsistency that just shouldn't be allowed to offend my ears. He started to bang this drum yesterday at the end of baseball reporters, but I figured someone would point out how stupid it was before their show prep today. If this is what 2-6 will be like today WEEI may just win back some converts.
These are the times when Felger is at his best. My god he is awesome today.
Also, they just ran a bit with the audio from Animal House of the double secret probation + toga party scene with Tito and Beckett spliced into it. I had tears welling up in the car laughing so hard.
Also, they just ran a bit with the audio from Animal House of the double secret probation + toga party scene with Tito and Beckett spliced into it. I had tears welling up in the car laughing so hard.
You know what...Felger was right about a lot of this. He was criticizing Francona for the "excuse making" culture of this team back in June when he was complaining about the interleague schedule.
Felger's wrong about an awful lot (everything with the Bruins last year), but he was right about this one. And he was one of the few in the market who was. I think this is another example of Felger yes being bombastic, but also genuine at the same time.
Felger's wrong about an awful lot (everything with the Bruins last year), but he was right about this one. And he was one of the few in the market who was. I think this is another example of Felger yes being bombastic, but also genuine at the same time.