Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Apr 19 2010, 10:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2911101
I don't think Teixeira was ever come to Boston. No matter how much Boston offered him he was going to take that offer to the Yankees and they would have gotten outbid. They could have offered him 8/200 and NYY would have come back with 8/220. I'm convinced he was never ever coming here because he made too much sense and was the perfect signing for both teams, that's what annoys me when Mazz goes on his Teix rant.



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Does it matter? The annoyance is that if Mazz has said it one time, he has said it 1,000 times. Today he called the non-signing a "pivotal moment in the history of the franchise."

It's the trifecta for him --

1. Henry is cheap (and so is Kraft)

2. Theo is arrogant (and so is Belichick)

3. The RS hate historically great players whose names end in "a" (Tex is Nomar's revenge).
 
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QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ Apr 19 2010, 07:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2911089
Sox lost. Mazz is right. Am I quibbling?


Yes, you're right. But Mazz keeps saying "a source of mine said they SCREWED IT UP"...what does that mean??? Sure Henry left the meeting and made comments Boras didn't like. But he never says whether or not Epstein could have closed Teixeira that day. Maybe he means that Boston should have offered $185 Million and said take it or leave it...who knows? Maybe they could have increased the amount...maybe they should have left the door open for further negotiating. My issue is that Mazz treats it like the Sox management pulled a Pacino at Lake Tahoe in GF II and said, ""You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing". They offered a TON - for EIGHT YEARS - it wasn't enough. So yeah, Sox management failed, but don't pull the "they won't go the extra mile for elite players" bullshit after the fact.

And btw, - Don't question me Sparky, I'm a MEMBER now or haven't you heard???!!!
 
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"The other station ignores you! I've heard Glenn do hockey talk...he does it to mock you! Remember that!" - Felger

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Felger uses a lot of lame words and phrases but this "on the come" thing gives off the douche chills like nothing else. Jack, if you haven't made your daily phone call yet, can you mention that he sounds beyond gay when he uses that phrase. Thanks.
 
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Felger plays up his hockey roots, but he really displayed some disturbing ignorance today. He was downplaying Raymond Bourque's career and deducting points for his lack of star power. At one point he asked derisively, "What's the most goals he ever scored in a season?", as if this would prove his point.

I know they have 4 hours to fill and try to get edgy with controversial opinions to stir up the masses, but this was a new low.
 
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QUOTE (JohnnyTheBone @ Apr 20 2010, 06:29 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2912488
Felger plays up his hockey roots, but he really displayed some disturbing ignorance today. He was downplaying Raymond Bourque's career and deducting points for his lack of star power. At one point he asked derisively, "What's the most goals he ever scored in a season?", as if this would prove his point.

I know they have 4 hours to fill and try to get edgy with controversial opinions to stir up the masses, but this was a new low.

He was talking about players with cachet and argued that Neely was the bigger star of the late eighties and the biggest of the post-Orr era. While arguing that goal-scorers are the guys who generate excitement, he also repeatedly kissed Bourque's ass and played up his ludicrous career +/- numbers. I really don't get how that's disturbing or particularly low.
 
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QUOTE (JohnnyTheBone @ Apr 20 2010, 06:29 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2912488
Felger plays up his hockey roots, but he really displayed some disturbing ignorance today. He was downplaying Raymond Bourque's career and deducting points for his lack of star power. At one point he asked derisively, "What's the most goals he ever scored in a season?", as if this would prove his point.

I know they have 4 hours to fill and try to get edgy with controversial opinions to stir up the masses, but this was a new low.

He was also talking from memory, and admitted about 3 mins after he said it that was likely wrong. About 5 mins after that, he admitted he was completely wrong. This wasn't an outlandish statement intended to drive listeners and controversy. It was a stupid off the cuff comment that he immediately retracted and admitted almost right away that it didn't hold.

I wish a lot of other media types would do that.

QUOTE (DieHardSoxFan1 @ Apr 20 2010, 08:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2912800
Random question: what's the name of the song played at the end of F&M's show?

Eminence Front - The Who
 
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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Apr 19 2010, 08:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2910852
I totally get your point. Here is my issue with Mazz regarding Teixeira. He rarely says, "the Sox LOST OUT on Tex and it's gonna hurt them for years" (which I agree with). What he normally says is, "the Sox SCREWED UP on Tex and it's gonna hurt them for years". He almost never mentions that this ownership group brought to the table the biggest and longest deal they ever offered for any player. Instead he usually says "my source says they blew the negotiations and now they're paying for it", as if Henry said, "You suck and your wife does too, Mark. Here's $100 bucks, come play for the Sox."

So I'm okay when he brings up the loss of Teixeira. But I'm not okay when he dismisses it as if Boston didn't make a serious push for him.
Great call today Jack. I still have a hard time believing Mazz but that's me and he admitted as much. But either way, the Sox still would have had to pay MORE than the Yankees paid to get him to sign right then and there.
 
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Whats the thinking on the Tex thing, that if we went (to Tx) with the 8/180 offer Boras would have countered with 8/195 and we would have signed him that night for the 8/195 offer?

If so, I don't think so. Boras would have taken that 195 to the Yankees and asked for 200. That was Henry's whole point... you have to draw a line or you'll always overpay. It'd be like an offer sheet in hockey, its inherently inflationary.

Could they have afforded more than 8/180? who knows, probably, but we could be having literally the same conversation if they had gone to Tx with 8/195 and the same situation played out. At some point, there IS a limit to the team's finances.

Thats what I don't understand/like about Mazz's point. That and he constantly mentions it without expanding on WHY he's so sure he would have signed. Its at best ambiguous that he would have signed with the Red Sox from what I have read.
 
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That's always been my take JK, no matter what the Sox offered Boras was going to the Yankees for a counter offer.

According to Mazz and his "insider", the gist of it is that Boras wanted a contract that would have had two vesting options that would have made it a 10/220 contract but those two vesting years were negotiable. According to his insider, had they offered 8/186 then Tex would be a Red Sox right now, but because of Lucchino's and Henry's dislike for Boras they walked away instead of negotiating.
 
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QUOTE (The Four Peters @ Apr 20 2010, 08:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2912865
He was also talking from memory, and admitted about 3 mins after he said it that was likely wrong. About 5 mins after that, he admitted he was completely wrong.

Eminence Front - The Who

OK. I didn't hear them come back from the break. I'm glad he made a mea culpa. It was a monumentally stupid position to take.

Eminence Front is a stone cold classic.

Recorded live for the video. Not a straight lip-synch of the album version.
[SIZE=12pt]
Eminence Front [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The sun shines
And people forget
The spray flies as the speedboat glides
And people forget
Forget they're hiding
The girls smile
And people forget
The snow packs as the skier tracks
And people forget
Forget they're hiding.

Behind an eminence front
Eminence front - It's a put on.

Come on join the party
Dress to kill
Won't you come and join the party
Dress to kill.

The drinks flow
People forget
That big wheel spins, the hair thins
People forget
Forget they're hiding
The news slows
People forget
The shares crash, hopes are dashed
People forget
Forget they're hiding.

Behind an eminence front
Eminence front - it's a put on
Come on join the party
Dress to
Come on join the party
Dress to
Come on join the party
Dress to
Come on join the party
Dress to kill
Dress yourself, dressed to kill.[/SIZE]
 
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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Apr 20 2010, 07:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2913979
That's always been my take JK, no matter what the Sox offered Boras was going to the Yankees for a counter offer.

According to Mazz and his "insider", the gist of it is that Boras wanted a contract that would have had two vesting options that would have made it a 10/220 contract but those two vesting years were negotiable. According to his insider, had they offered 8/186 then Tex would be a Red Sox right now, but because of Lucchino's and Henry's dislike for Boras they walked away instead of negotiating.



I'm with you HomeBrew. I'm sure the Sox could have handled the negotiations better but I find it hard to believe that they could have made a deal in which Boras would have sent Teixeira to Boston WITHOUT calling Cashman before it was finalized. There have even been numerous reports out of NY in which Cashman told Boras all along something along the lines of "make sure you call me before you complete any deal with anybody - we might be able to top it." So maybe if Henry said okay to 8/186 it would have gotten done, but I still think the Steinbrenner boys would have had an opportunity to trump any Boston offer.

FWIW, I do believe Tony's part of the story regarding the numbers and the option years. I just don't buy that NY wasn't in it until Boston walked out of the meeting.
 
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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Apr 21 2010, 12:59 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2914696
I'm with you HomeBrew. I'm sure the Sox could have handled the negotiations better but I find it hard to believe that they could have made a deal in which Boras would have sent Teixeira to Boston WITHOUT calling Cashman before it was finalized. There have even been numerous reports out of NY in which Cashman told Boras all along something along the lines of "make sure you call me before you complete any deal with anybody - we might be able to top it." So maybe if Henry said okay to 8/186 it would have gotten done, but I still think the Steinbrenner boys would have had an opportunity to trump any Boston offer.

FWIW, I do believe Tony's part of the story regarding the numbers and the option years. I just don't buy that NY wasn't in it until Boston walked out of the meeting.





See? Evan Felgy told you to get your own show today. Great call.
 
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I gotta admit, I've been anxiously awaiting the show the past 2 days. Yesterday for the Bruin's recap, today for the draft reaction.

Felger is going to rip the Pats left and right today. It may not be fair, but it'll be entertaining as hell. I think that says a lot about the show right now, in a positive way.
 
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Mazz trying to be the voice of reason today. They very well could make up for it with these 2nd rounders, but Felger isn't acknowledging that.
 
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QUOTE (bosox188 @ Apr 23 2010, 01:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2921053
Mazz trying to be the voice of reason today. They very well could make up for it with these 2nd rounders, but Felger isn't acknowledging that.


Well, that's pure speculation, and encumbent upon believing that would be faith in their ability to pick the right folks with their 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Have they been successful doing that lately? No, they have not. I feel his skepticism, and agree with it. They picked "value", yet again. I thought the reference to the amount of draft picks they have retained (something like 31%) on their current roster was an excellent stat that showed they haven't had success with the "value" strategy.
 
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QUOTE (bosox188 @ Apr 23 2010, 02:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2921053
Mazz trying to be the voice of reason today. They very well could make up for it with these 2nd rounders, but Felger isn't acknowledging that.


"You think the Patriots can completely misfire in the first and then make up for it in the second? Well, I'm not buying it."
 
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QUOTE (dynomite @ Apr 26 2010, 03:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2927240
If he's still killing them after getting Gronk, Spikes, Hernandez, and Mesko in the later rounds then he's a poopy head/just going for ratings.


He's changing the argument slightly. He's slamming the Pats philosophy of trading down instead of trading up. He says the players they got may be good, but instead of trading up to get one stud, they trade down and get two TE because of the 'value'. His point is that the Pats do well drafting 1st rounders, but not 2nd and 3rd, so he doesnt understand why they trade away higher first rounders to collect more 2nd, 3rd, etc when they have been terrible in those rounds.

Felger is holding out hope that they started to turn a corner last year in the draft.

He started out the program going through old Pats drafts that 'experts' loved, but have since turned out to be awful. Entertaining.
 
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QUOTE (underhandtofirst @ Apr 26 2010, 03:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2927306
He's changing the argument slightly. He's slamming the Pats philosophy of trading down instead of trading up. He says the players they got may be good, but instead of trading up to get one stud, they trade down and get two TE because of the 'value'. His point is that the Pats do well drafting 1st rounders, but not 2nd and 3rd, so he doesnt understand why they trade away higher first rounders to collect more 2nd, 3rd, etc when they have been terrible in those rounds.


This is extraordinarily retarded.
 
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Once again, I find myself legitimately excited for Felger and Mazz. Combined with Toucher and Rich, it's outstanding to have a sports station to look forward to after big Bruins games. What a great untapped market they've reached with hockey fans.
 
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QUOTE (The Four Peters @ Apr 27 2010, 02:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2930359
Once again, I find myself legitimately excited for Felger and Mazz. Combined with Toucher and Rich, it's outstanding to have a sports station to look forward to after big Bruins games. What a great untapped market they've reached with hockey fans.

Yeah, Felger on hockey is really great. I hate the Bruins and I still look forward to the show cuz they actually talk about the NHL.
 
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Classic Felgie today. He had Cam on and said something like, "do you guys feel like your rationale for not getting an additional scoring winger has been justified since no trading deadline players (Kovalchuk) made a difference come playoff time?". Neely said something like "yeah, but we tried but couldn't get what we wanted...". Felger lets it go, then a half hour later he goes on and on about how they should have made an impact trade because it would be more valuable now than ever.
 
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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Apr 28 2010, 12:26 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2932317
Classic Felgie today. He had Cam on and said something like, "do you guys feel like your rationale for not getting an additional scoring winger has been justified since no trading deadline players (Kovalchuk) made a difference come playoff time?". Neely said something like "yeah, but we tried but couldn't get what we wanted...". Felger lets it go, then a half hour later he goes on and on about how they should have made an impact trade because it would be more valuable now than ever.

What was funny is that Felger was absolutely clamoring for Raffi Torres when the deadline passed. The guy gets traded for a 2nd rounder and puts up 0 goals.

Attaway, Mike.
 
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Predictably, Felger takes the angle that the Red Sox didn't sign Bay because of his poor UZR and now they look like idiots. Why do I listen? Oh that's right, because the other station somehow manages to be twice as bad.
 
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QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ Apr 28 2010, 04:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2933215
What was funny is that Felger was absolutely clamoring for Raffi Torres when the deadline passed. The guy gets traded for a 2nd rounder and puts up 0 goals.

Attaway, Mike.

He was clamoring for Kovaldog too and that guy didn't do shit the entire time he was in Jersey.

Face it Felger, there was nothing of value sold at the deadline. Hell, Seidenberg is probably the most positively impactful trade that was made for a playoff team. Wrap your mind around that one.
 
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QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ Apr 28 2010, 01:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2933215
What was funny is that Felger was absolutely clamoring for Raffi Torres when the deadline passed. The guy gets traded for a 2nd rounder and puts up 0 goals.

Attaway, Mike.


Great post. I always think back to his begging for Kovalchuk but you're right about Torres. I forgot Felgie's manlove for Torres at the deadline.
 
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I remember his interview with Chiarelli from around the deadline when Felger said straight up that he'd "puke" if the Bruins didn't add a scorer at the deadline, as well. It stuns me when I see people call Jack Edwards unprofessional when Felger gets away with shit like that.
 
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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Apr 28 2010, 04:51 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2933272
Great post. I always think back to his begging for Kovalchuk but you're right about Torres. I forgot Felgie's manlove for Torres at the deadline.


He was killing them for not being in on Torres until he interviewed CC, who told Felger how much of a dog that Torres is. BTW, thanks for setting them straight on the UZR correction and how it related to the Red Sox and the Bay negotiations. That was probably the best call of the show.
 
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QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ Apr 28 2010, 02:27 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2933312
He was killing them for not being in on Torres until he interviewed CC, who told Felger how much of a dog that Torres is. BTW, thanks for setting them straight on the UZR correction and how it related to the Red Sox and the Bay negotiations. That was probably the best call of the show.


Thanks. The second the story came out I knew that guys like Shaugnessy and Felger (the media types who bring up brilliant points like "Theo thinks RBIs don't matter???!! - the game is about runs!!!) would all be sitting around cackling like schoolgirls. It's as if Theo based his entire opinion of Bay on UZR only to find out it was calculated wrong - implying that if Boston had received the correct numbers in the offseason, Theo would have given Bay a 8 year/$200 million deal. I love when Felger talks anything but baseball.
 
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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ Apr 28 2010, 06:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2933409
Thanks. The second the story came out I knew that guys like Shaugnessy and Felger (the media types who bring up brilliant points like "Theo thinks RBIs don't matter???!! - the game is about runs!!!) would all be sitting around cackling like schoolgirls. It's as if Theo based his entire opinion of Bay on UZR only to find out it was calculated wrong - implying that if Boston had received the correct numbers in the offseason, Theo would have given Bay a 8 year/$200 million deal. I love when Felger talks anything but baseball.


True to an extent...

In Felgie's defense, he has said on numerous occasions that he thinks RBI is an "archaic offensive statistic." I remember him telling that GRESH that in a crossover last week. GRESH, of course, was so baffled at the notion that he was literally at a loss for words.
 
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QUOTE (Phenom @ Apr 28 2010, 07:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2933462
True to an extent...

In Felgie's defense, he has said on numerous occasions that he thinks RBI is an "archaic offensive statistic." I remember him telling that GRESH that in a crossover last week. GRESH, of course, was so baffled at the notion that he was literally at a loss for words.

Gresh was probably scrambling for a dictionary to look up archiac.
 
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QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ Apr 28 2010, 05:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2933296
I remember his interview with Chiarelli from around the deadline when Felger said straight up that he'd "puke" if the Bruins didn't add a scorer at the deadline, as well. It stuns me when I see people call Jack Edwards unprofessional when Felger gets away with shit like that.


I listened to him for the first time in like 4 months yesterday and he said that something was "G-A-Y."

Seriously?

Felger is an idiot, but that doesn't mean he can't be entertaining at times. Lots of idiots are fun to observe and listen to.
 
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QUOTE (Ed Hillel @ Apr 28 2010, 08:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2934577
I listened to him for the first time in like 4 months yesterday and he said that something was "G-A-Y."

Seriously?

Felger is an idiot, but that doesn't mean he can't be entertaining at times. Lots of idiots are fun to observe and listen to.


He said that management has asked him not to describe things as "gay". Apparently it wasn't an official sit down, more of a "please cut this shit out before it becomes an issue" type of talk. He said he never means it as a shot regarding sexual orientation (obviously), and will try say it less regardless. Of course ten minutes later he was discussing a player and said, "I love that guy....no homo".
 
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