Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 6m
Stephen Drew is officially placed on #RedSox 25-man roster while Felix Doubront placed on 15-day DL.
Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 6m
Stephen Drew is officially placed on #RedSox 25-man roster while Felix Doubront placed on 15-day DL.
Jason Mastrodonato @JMastrodonato 12m
Farrell on WEEI about replacing Doubront: "We've got talented candidates in Pawtucket." Named Brandon Workman and Allen Webster as two.
Drek717 said:I'd argue that they need to either give the starts to Workman or get him back to the bullpen. He has shown the ability to be a legit reliever already last season through the playoffs and he's had enough AAA time. If he isn't option #1 when these situations arise he needs to go the 'pen where he can give more immediate value.
Rudy Pemberton said:Aren't those Webster numbers a bit concerning? We know HR rates can be really fluky. A 3.8 BB and 6.4 K rate isn't promising at all, to me. That 2.47 ERA looks like a mirage.
Rudy Pemberton said:Aren't those Webster numbers a bit concerning? We know HR rates can be really fluky. A 3.8 BB and 6.4 K rate isn't promising at all, to me. That 2.47 ERA looks like a mirage.
Rudy Pemberton said:Aren't those Webster numbers a bit concerning? We know HR rates can be really fluky. A 3.8 BB and 6.4 K rate isn't promising at all, to me. That 2.47 ERA looks like a mirage.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 14s
Red Sox saying that Doubront bumped into a car door and that led to his shoulder problem.
Rudy Pemberton said:Aren't those Webster numbers a bit concerning? We know HR rates can be really fluky. A 3.8 BB and 6.4 K rate isn't promising at all, to me. That 2.47 ERA looks like a mirage.
Corsi said:
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 14s
Red Sox saying that Doubront bumped into a car door and that led to his shoulder problem.
alwyn96 said:
What an incompetent organization. If they cared at all about the safety of these players, they'd remove all the doors from any car these players owned or were standing near.
Not just Pete reported that… Seems many of the BOS reporters haveAndrew said:Part of me hopes they just told that to Pete to see if he'd actually run with it, and it was just some kind of bland muscle strain.
Yeah. EnCARnacionCorsi said:
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 14s
Red Sox saying that Doubront bumped into a car door and that led to his shoulder problem.
So my freshman year of college when I was playing soccer, I was in the cafeteria one day and a buddy of mine knocked my hat a little sideways. I reached up to pull it down on my head, pulled it a bit too hard, and ended up straining a trap so badly that I couldn't play the next day since I couldn't turn my head. Ever since then, I have been very forgiving of strange injury stories. The fact that I would voluntarily make this public knowledge says something about that.genivive said:That is simply not believable.
Puffy said:It really kind of blows my mind to see such a deep stack of starting pitching ready to go down in Pawtucket. You could make a decent case for any of the 4 on the 40-man.
Webster has a maddening ability to struggle when he's first promoted to a level and then succeed the following year. I do not know if it's nerves or not but he's very comfortable the year after. The trend continued this year with Pawtucket where he looks a lot more confident and the control does seem to be there. My vote is for Webster. He's going to do fine too.Darnell's Son said:
Not including Rookie ball, his lowest BB/9 was 3.50 in high A. I think we're just going to have to live with the walks with Webster. Hopefully the lower K rate is an emphasis on inducing outs and not an inability to miss bats.
I believe that story was misinformation, and that Buch. hurt himself diving or falling into first base.NickEsasky said:Well if sleeping with his baby cost Buchholz most of a season, bumping into a car door might end Doubront's career.
I doubt it. Makes more sense to bring up one of the AAA starters on regular rest and have Cap piggy back if they struggle.WenZink said:
I wonder if the Sox opt to move Capuano to the rotation, and call up someone from AAA to replace Cap as long man. Not sure if Capuano is "stretched out" enough, but maybe better than having one of the Pawsox starters struggling to a 2 IP and out performance and taxing the pen.
I would argue the opposite. It's certainly nice to have five solid SPs in AAA, but if one if them was going to develop into a standout big-league pitcher, you would expect by age 24-25 for that guy to be standing out from his teammates, even in a rotation that is unquestionably strong by AAA standards.Puffy said:It really kind of blows my mind to see such a deep stack of starting pitching ready to go down in Pawtucket. You could make a decent case for any of the 4 on the 40-man.
NickEsasky said:Well if sleeping with his baby cost Buchholz most of a season, bumping into a car door might end Doubront's career.
He pitched high leverage post-season innings, so given the tendency of baseball people to stick to their guns, I can definitely see it being Workman. It's not like the Sox' management gets hung up on a few bad starts, assuming they aren't indicative of real trouble.alwyn96 said:
I can't imagine it would be Workman, right? He's got like an ERA over 5 over the season and over his last 3 starts. That doesn't scream "guy who is ready to come up and dominate" to me. Maybe they should move him to the pen, but it seems like you could do that anytime. I think it's generally tougher to go in the other direction.
You convinced me. I like Barnes the most but is there any sense of him feeling rushed by a promotion? Maybe, maybe not. But de la Rosa should be ready, based on age and experience (25 ML appearances).maufman said:I would argue the opposite. It's certainly nice to have five solid SPs in AAA, but if one if them was going to develop into a standout big-league pitcher, you would expect by age 24-25 for that guy to be standing out from his teammates, even in a rotation that is unquestionably strong by AAA standards.
If the timing works, I'd give the ball to RDLR. He has the best FIP this season and the most major-league experience, so I figure he's less likely to soil himself at a time when the big club can ill afford a debacle like Allen Webster's 2013 callup.
Also, RDLR is a year older than the others and already has a TJ surgery under his belt. If you assume that an unplanned, early-season callup is less than optimal for a pitcher, you should call on the guy whose development you care least about disrupting. For me, that's RDLR.
chrisfont9 said:You convinced me. I like Barnes the most but is there any sense of him feeling rushed by a promotion? Maybe, maybe not. But de la Rosa should be ready, based on age and experience (25 ML appearances).
maufman said:I would argue the opposite. It's certainly nice to have five solid SPs in AAA, but if one if them was going to develop into a standout big-league pitcher, you would expect by age 24-25 for that guy to be standing out from his teammates, even in a rotation that is unquestionably strong by AAA standards.
maufman said:I would argue the opposite. It's certainly nice to have five solid SPs in AAA, but if one if them was going to develop into a standout big-league pitcher, you would expect by age 24-25 for that guy to be standing out from his teammates, even in a rotation that is unquestionably strong by AAA standards.
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maufman said:I would argue the opposite. It's certainly nice to have five solid SPs in AAA, but if one if them was going to develop into a standout big-league pitcher, you would expect by age 24-25 for that guy to be standing out from his teammates, even in a rotation that is unquestionably strong by AAA standards.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 14s
Red Sox saying that Doubront bumped into a car door and that led to his shoulder problem.
alwyn96 said:
What an incompetent organization. If they cared at all about the safety of these players, they'd remove all the doors from any car these players owned or were standing near.
Lose Remerswaal said:Yeah. EnCARnacion
[PawSox manager Kevin] Boles confirmed that lefty Felix Doubront will make a rehab start for the PawSox Tuesday afternoon at McCoy Stadium against the Louisville. As to what that means regarding whether the rest of the rotation simply gets pushed back a day or if a PawSox starter follows Doubront to the mound – Sunday’s game notes listed Steven Wright as Tuesday’s probable – Boles stated, “We’ll piece that out over the next couple days with (PawSox pitching coach) Rich Sauveur and (Red Sox roving pitching coordinator Ralph Treuel). We’ll see what (Doubront’s pitch count will be) before figuring everyting out.”
Two starts into his rehab assignment with a third coming on Sunday, Doubront says his shoulder is feeling “pretty good.” It’s been almost four weeks since Doubront’s last outing with the Red Sox back on May 20.
Doubront’s fastball velocity, which sat around an average of 90 mph during his nine major league starts this season, dipped even lower in his two rehab starts, sitting in the high 80s and only occasionally touching above 90. While Doubront was working up strength in his injured shoulder, he says that he’s close to feeling like he did before the injury, and that the velocity will come.
“Since I started rehabbing, working my shoulder — [it] feels really good and really loose. That’s the thing I need to feel better,” Doubront said. “Over the past two rehab starts I [felt] great, [was] throwing strikes, getting a feel for all my pitches. Velocity is not there but I’m building my strength to get to that level. I’m gonna step it up a little bit more on Sunday.”
The dip in velocity has been an issue for longer than just the first couple months of 2014. Doubront saw a decline last season as well; while he was sitting 92-93 mph and touching 95-96 mph in 2012, he averaged just 90.6mph on his fastball in 2013. He says that his shoulder feels strong enough to possibly ramp up his fastball to the place it was two years ago.
“It’s getting to that point [where] it’s really close and I can feel the power, not even from last year but from 2012 when I was throwing 95 or 96. I’m getting there,” said Doubront. “It’s really strong right now and I’m going to keep working to get it to the top.”
Though the velocity is obviously a concern for Doubront when it comes to being effective, he says that it’s not his main focus for his next outing, nor has it been for either of his previous rehab appearances.
“My first rehab start, it was more locating my fastball and throwing strikes without thinking I have to throw hard,” Doubront said. “The second was kind of the same, thinking I’m gonna pitch and not throw, and that’s more important than to throw hard. When I get to the point where I [can] throw the hardest I can for strikes or in counts to get the hitter out with a hard fastball, I’m focused more on that area, throwing strikes rather than throwing hard.
“Repeating my delivery, throwing a lot of fastballs, throwing all my pitches and trying to throw strikes. That’s the main focus right now.”