Ryan Hannable @RyanHannable 23h23 hours ago
On @DaleHolleyWEEI, @SI_PeterKing says there are only 2-4 owners who are anti-Goodell.
On @DaleHolleyWEEI, @SI_PeterKing says there are only 2-4 owners who are anti-Goodell.
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Baltz did not do 10-15 games in Foxboro. He did 6. 4 with Brady at quarterback. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/officials/BaltMa0r.htm
https://twitter.com/RyanHannable/status/644237648706576384"]23h23soxhop411 said:
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On @DaleHolleyWEEI, @SI_PeterKing says there are only 2-4 owners who are anti-Goodell.
That's not what he said, as if it were some verified fact. His quote: "I think hes got somewhere between two and four owners who are not in the Roger Goodell fan club."
The truth is, none of these numb nuts know anything.
Hey Kravitz, the score was 45-7. The Colts lost because they couldn't tackle Blount in the 2nd half. Time to move on.
Just checked back on the Kravitz "story and I am pretty sure most of the comments are members of SoSH. I am expecting some sort of tweet in the next few hours from Kravitz indicating he was attacked (yet again) by a rabid Patriot fan base.
Jed Zeppelin said:
What Kravitz understands is that a "scandal" like this only plays with the Patriots. I'd guess that 99.99% of professional football people couldn't give 12.5 shits about football pressure as a thing. We know that (rightfully so) no one would complain about Green Bay playing with footballs that were slightly over-inflated...because.
Fuck him and his fake tabloid attempts to increase his salary - and all the suckers who play into it. I don't think any links should be included on this site - if there's ever a case for copyright infringement, it's this guy.
His noise should be cancelled.
I know I have more hours into all this then Kensil, but I looked up the Colt's record when Baltz is one of the officials... they went 8-1 since 1999 and were undefeated at Indy. the one loss was at Gillette in 99, I guess that loss stung Baltz for the rest of his NFL Career.
So the NFL, ESPN, and Kravitiz have all had their fun painting a picture of Jim McNally as a creepy-immature-liar. It must be fun to kick the shit out of some guy that you truly know nothing about.
https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/644604923011665920
https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/644604923011665920
link to tweet
Regarding #32, disagreement on findings of fact, where did Judge Berman in his decision dispute the findings of fact?
Edit: Can a dope move this post over to the pinned legal thread? Thanks.
Edit: Can a dope move this post over to the pinned legal thread? Thanks.
It would be great if DvN could get some of the transcipts of the interviews that never made it into the Wells report.
If he really wanted to do some investigative journalism, he could start there.
If he really wanted to do some investigative journalism, he could start there.
Apparently that official's son worked for the Colts from 07-09. But there is no bias there. Fantastic reporting by Kravitz
This is what happens when one starts with a conclusion and tries to reverse-engineer reasoning. It's pretty much the worst way to sift and weigh evidence.
dcmissle said:
Burn that straw man right down!
Of course allegations of Patriots cheating dominated the news cycle again the day after you wrote it.
I don't want to hear another thing for analysts or eagles fans or front office they were robbed of super bowl 39 after watching another performance by an andy Reid team throwing up on themselves.
Except that there was genuine concern expressed here on each of these things, even when one allows for humor. Just trying to muffle the noise.Shelterdog said:
The media are a lost cause; you're right, it will go on all year. I don't care about them, I care about the League. Short term, the League appears to have stood down on the jihad. We'll see how long that lasts.
Edit -- and while these things can be overdone, the media stirring this pot can be beneficial. It's really, really hard to repeat for a bunch of reasons. I expect the coaching staff to milk this crap for all it's worth at appropriate times this season.
Which is perfect because it means we can go back to taping again. Belichick with the long con.nighthob said:
nighthob said:
While I think the Patriots lost the larger PR battle and I have no hopes the cheatriots label will go away, I think this is the case and it started with Tomlin. The NFL finally handled it correctly and shut it down immediately. Reporters like Florio (who was very anti-Patriots at the beginning of the Brady crap) won't trust much of anything coming from the NFL or ESPN and will question the reports before attacking, starting with Van Natta and this referee story.
It would be nice if ESPN would stop fanning the flames since they're clearly the leader around the country for shaping the narrative but it's nice to have Florio out there who is prominent enough himself. Also the court case is basically over and people are getting tired of it.
538 with a nice debunking stat: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/if-the-patriots-are-cheating-at-home-the-stats-dont-show-it/?ex_cid=538twitter
ifmanis5 said:
That's pretty good, but no one gives a damn about statistics. They care about storylines. Facts don't matter any more.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
In fact, Facts died in 2012
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-19/news/ct-talk-huppke-obit-facts-20120419_1_facts-philosopher-opinion
Agreed. And it really is a nice diversion from brain injuries, DUIs and all the other ills of the game.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Besides, isn't the counter to this that the Patriots cheat everywhere? Sure, they don't have access to headsets or the balls (or Gatorade) when the game is played on the road, so they just steal the other teams play book by rummaging through the trash.
Van Everyman said:
Except that the stats for the other teams in the league don't bear this out, unless you want to suggest that the Eagles (who outperform their expected by a huge margin on the road) are also cheaters. Which they aren't.
But again, no one cares about statistical rebuttals. Facts are boring.
And besides, Bruce Allen over at BSMW is saying that ESPN is preparing a follow-up hit piece on the Pats:
Don't kid yourselves, folks: the league and ESPN are out to get the team. And there will be no requirements for facts. Any anonymous gripe against the team is going to be reported as stone-cold truth by these guys.
Don't kid yourselves, folks: the league and ESPN are out to get the team. And there will be no requirements for facts. Any anonymous gripe against the team is going to be reported as stone-cold truth by these guys.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Definitely. That column is probably the most read, most linked piece ESPN has ever done. It's sensational and total BS but it also sells. It's kind of reprehensible that the Pats are public enemy #1. Teams should be trying to emulate the Pats. Instead, they are doing the opposite, gossiping and whining.
Who cares. The more shit that comes out, the less that will stick. I hope they put out 20 more hit pieces, it'll just go from semi-serious to absurd pretty quickly. I can already guarantee that the majority of fans don't give a fuck anymore. They only care about the season at this point.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Let the hit pieces pile up and the mystique build.
johnmd20 said:
I know DvN thrid hand from college. What I also know is that the part of his Presidential golfing book that he was most proud of was the part that details Clinton's golf-fibbing. ("That's a 7 not an 8, move the ball from behind the tree; that sort of stuff.) He's generally a good reporter, but he *really* like the publicity that comes from the hottakes aprt.
joe dokes said:
A genuine "reporter" would be researching the real story behind DFG: Why did the NFL lie (or, at minimum, selectively choose and stretch the facts) if they thought they had a case against New England? A real reporter would be seeking low-level sources within Exponent or interviewing the Princeton professor concerning prejudices in their findings. A real reporter would be seeking sources within the NFL that could give clues about high level executive actions leading up to the findings, and the actions of other teams. A real reporter would be striving to get his hands on transcripts. A real reporter would be pursuing the facts behind the intercepted ball, along with the facts behind the kicking ball scandal. A real reporter would be endeavoring to uncover any league-wide vendetta against New England - and which (if any) ownerships were/are involved.
For some reason, real investigative reporting in this case seems to have disappeared. It certainly can't be done by the sports writers who call themselves journalists, but I'm curious why it's not a juicy enough story for genuine journalistic investigators to pursue. Is the NFL really that powerful?
All I keep seeing is ESPN continues to push this story. Florio and others have poked holes in it and moved on. If this next "report" comes out, I could see it lasting no more than a morning. Real football is being played and people are losing interest in this drama. This is nothing more than as smear campaign and if it truly were an investigative study, they would have gotten at least one person to go on record.johnmd20 said:
geoduck no quahog said:
Just the opposite, in my opinion. If I were an editor at a real journalism outfit, there's no way I'd want a non-sports reporter to spend precious time and resources digging into a cover up/railroad job about possibly deflated footballs. Every town/city in America has more worthwhile stories of corruption, etc. for journalists to dig into.
I've been thinking the same myself, but perhaps the answer is that the NFL really doesn't matter enough for a "real journalist" to devote the time and energy to doing this sort of work Woodward and Bernstein style.geoduck no quahog said:
Or talk to the NFL exec who was fired for stealing game balls in the AFCCG to sell them for his own profit. I'd love to hear from him and his contribution ot the Integrity Of The Game that we all hold so dear.
I'd also to love to hear directly from a single one of these un-named sources who are airing their dirty Pats laundry in public but anonymously. Whether it's a former player or former Pats employee, let's see them in public with their name and face and listen to them describe exactly what they did. Put up or shut up.
I'd also to love to hear directly from a single one of these un-named sources who are airing their dirty Pats laundry in public but anonymously. Whether it's a former player or former Pats employee, let's see them in public with their name and face and listen to them describe exactly what they did. Put up or shut up.
The concern is that new allegations could prompt the league to further investigate, leading to more penalties. That seems to be the end game for ESPN.