#DFG: Canceling the Noise

[soxhop411]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot  4m4 minutes ago
#Browns Pettine on Tom Brady: "I've always had a lot of respect for him..but I lose a lot of respect for guys who cheat.''

 

[LuckyBen]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot  4m4 minutes ago
#Browns Pettine on Tom Brady: "I've always had a lot of respect for him..but I lose a lot of respect for guys who cheat.''

Obviously passive aggressive comment towards his boss.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I hope folks are getting ready to be disappointed. The league has always shown that they are more concerned with feeding the frenzied sharks than making the right decision.

 
Too soon?

 

[DegenerateSoxFan]

If what the patriots did was SOOOOOO BAD!!!
why have no current QB's came out and condemned the pats? Why are they all silent? 
 
 
could it be... that EVERYONE DOES IT?!!??!

That, and they're probably fuming that they can't do it anymore. What was simply a matter of personal comfort (even if it had little or no effect on the game) for group of guys who are probably as anal about stuff like this as Brady is now a BFD.

 

[dcmissle]

Forgive the political reference, but we've basically lost our collective mind since a President was impeached for lying about a hummer from a chubby intern. That's a long time ago now, 17 years. all the political craziness has its counterpart in sports, especially the NFL.

An interesting book is ready to be written about the role in this of the internet, cable and now social media.

 

[Curtis Pride]

If what the patriots did was soo bad why have no current QB's came out and condemned the pats? Why are they all silent? 
 
 
could it be... that everyone does it?!?!

 

[wilked]

I did a quick report for all suspensions of players > 2 games for the last 5 years.  Those are in yellow
 
Here's the reasons they were suspended.  
 
It's up to you to judge if 'more probably then not that Tom Brady was generally aware' falls in line with these
 

 

[Hoya81]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot  4m4 minutes ago
#Browns Pettine on Tom Brady: "I've always had a lot of respect for him..but I lose a lot of respect for guys who cheat.''

Was Pettine "generally aware" his GM was texting his OC?

 

[joe dokes]

 
Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot  4m4 minutes ago
#Browns Pettine on Tom Brady: "I've always had a lot of respect for him..but I lose a lot of respect for guys who cheat.''
 

 
Brady really only cares about the respect from BB, Kraft and his teammates, everyone of whom would run through Hell wearing a gasoline suit for him.

 

[RedOctober3829]

I hope folks are getting ready to be disappointed. The league has always shown that they are more concerned with feeding the frenzied sharks than making the right decision.

As much as I don't want it to happen Kenny, the mob mentality will get what it wants and that's a Brady suspension.  People have been waiting for years to bring this organization down.  The only thing the Pats can do is just keep on winning.

 

[dcdrew10]

Obviously passive aggressive comment towards his boss.

Kyed had the best possible response:
 
[twitter]DougKyedNESN[/twitter]
Did he text that?
 
https://twitter.com/DougKyedNESN/status/596733568090546176

 

[nighthob]

That, and they're probably fuming that they can't do it anymore. What was simply a matter of personal comfort (even if it had little or no effect on the game) for group of guys who are probably as anal about stuff like this as Brady is now a BFD.

I said this about 250 pages back, that the Colts and Ravens better be prepared for what's coming because all opposing QBs are going to want to humiliate them for this crybaby bullshit that will basically lead to the league taking sole control of the balls from now on.

 

[wilked]

I posted in the 'predict the punishment' thread but I hope this clears everyone's heads..  
 
All NFL player suspensions for the last 5 years, with those > 2 games highlighted.  For those predicting 4 games try and reconcile it with the below
 
Edit to add: updated to correct Hardy and Brent being 10 games, not 1
 

 

[jsinger121]

I did a quick report for all suspensions of players > 2 games for the last 5 years.  Those are in yellow
 
Here's the reasons they were suspended.  
 
It's up to you to judge if 'more probably then not that Tom Brady was generally aware' falls in line with these
 

 
Great work on finding this.

 

[swingin val]

Ray Rice was in possession of the elevator video?

 

[DJnVa]

Injury report when Brady is allowed to play again:
 
 
More Probable than not: Brady

 

[Stevie1der]

I know it'll never happen, but if Brady is suspended for multiple games, my wish would be for an organization-wide moratorium on acknowledging or celebrating the Super Bowl championship until his first home game back.

 

[Tito's Pullover]

 
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/596723625480364032

Could the NFL suspend Tom Brady indefinitely until he provides his cell phone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

 

[SeanBerry]

This thread has made for some strange reading.
 
Many of you are convinced that is something every QB does and Brady was just the unlucky guy that got caught.
 
But then many others of you are convinced that Brady did nothing wrong and the refs fucked up the PSI count.
 
I've even seen others here that say that the ballboys are at fault and Brady didn't order them to do anything.
 
We also have drleather2001 screaming every 5th post at anyone who will listen how the whole world has it against the Pats! 
 
Yet everyone is just talking at each other. No one really cares if anyone is right or wrong AS LONG as Brady doesn't get punished.
 
People also very badly want Brady to throw magical "F-U TD's!!!!!". I guess writing Fuck You would be too much aggression for a guy as classy as Tom Brady?
 
Finally, we even have total nonsense that comes from no logical standpoint at all but once again... no one seems to care.
 

 
Brady really only cares about the respect from BB, Kraft and his teammates, everyone of whom would run through Hell wearing a gasoline suit for him.

 

[Stitch01]

Thanks for that pipinghottake about how discussion board threads work.  Solid stuff.

 

[TheoShmeo]

What a useful and enlightening summary, Sean.

 

[Leather]

I know it's almost as if people believe different things!

 

[NickEsasky]

 
Many of you are convinced that is something every QB does and Brady was just the unlucky guy that got caught.
 

I got no beef with anything else you wrote, but given how many QBs came out back in the winter and what Phil Simms reiterated this week on the radio, why is this even in question? All QBs worth shit probably care very much how the ball feels and to what level it is inflated. Brady might be a cheating cheater and want his balls at 9.5 and slathered in baby tears, but there still isn't any proof of that in the report or elsewhere. 

 

[Stitch01]

I actually think Kraft will delay the banner raising, or at least I hope he would.

 

[nighthob]

Go easy on the poor bastard, he lives and breathes Jets football. It's not a happy existence.

 

[wilked]

Oops, two errors (Hardy and Brent were 10 games, not 1)
 
Updated now

 

[JimBoSox9]

He did, however, forget to include the slice of folks sniping from the sidelines without adding any content

 

[LuckyBen]

Thanks for that pipinghottake about how discussion board threads work.  Solid stuff.

I think we can all agree he's full of shit.

 

[nighthob]

He did, however, forget to include the slice of folks sniping from the sidelines without adding any content

Of course, Jets get their best shots in from the sideline, they just don't like talking about it.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

This thread has made for some strange reading.
 
Many of you are convinced that is something every QB does and Brady was just the unlucky guy that got caught.
 
But then many others of you are convinced that Brady did nothing wrong and the refs fucked up the PSI count.
 
I've even seen others here that say that the ballboys are at fault and Brady didn't order them to do anything.
 
We also have drleather2001 screaming every 5th post at anyone who will listen how the whole world has it against the Pats! 
 
Yet everyone is just talking at each other. No one really cares if anyone is right or wrong AS LONG as Brady doesn't get punished.
 
People also very badly want Brady to throw magical "F-U TD's!!!!!". I guess writing Fuck You would be too much aggression for a guy as classy as Tom Brady?
 
Finally, we even have total nonsense that comes from no logical standpoint at all but once again... no one seems to care.
 

 
So, some people think one thing, some think something else, and people don't want the starting QB for their team punished without actual evidence?
 
You fucking nailed it, champ.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Of course, Jets get their best shots in from the sideline, they just don't like talking about it.

They just get Sal Alosi to trip people going down the sideline.

 

[ALiveH]

I would advise him / his representatives to discredit the Wells report.
 
All the world understands is a 5-second sound bite.  So i'd state the case as simply as possible.
 
"Five referees working together needed 600 seconds to test all the Patriots footballs at halftime, yet Wells believes that one person took 12 footballs out of a duffel bag, deflated all 12 and put them back in the duffle bag all in 100 seconds in a bathroom stall."  That's the sound bite they should hammer home on every media outlet.  All the other more science problems with the Wells report can be expounded on in more length.
 
Obviously, Belichick should use this as motivational fodder to get his players to run through brick walls from him.  And, they should run up the score on every opponent at every opportunity, e.g., using trick plays while up 30 in the 4th.  Also he should run plays directly towards the Colts coaches on the sidelines when possible.

 

[Jungleland]

Well, at least the whole league finally is laughing at the Patriots.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Really can't see a suspension. If Brady gets a game or two he will most certainly appeal and (one supposes) an arbitrator will have to brought in and any arbitrator worth his salt would laugh the NFL's "evidence" out of court.
 
So - a fine - large enough to be noticed and small enough  to avoid an appeal would seem to be in everyone's best interest.

 

[nighthob]

So, some people think one thing, some think something else, and people don't want the starting QB for their team punished without actual evidence?
 
You fucking nailed it, champ.

C'mon, give the guy a break, this is one of the franchise highlights he has to root for...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAQnJdOniCk

 

[nattysez]

Sources with the Patriots I have spoken with tell me they are fearful of a lengthy suspension, perhaps in the six- to eight-game range, for Brady in the aftermath of the Wells Report.
Of course any suspension can be appealed and the sentence reduced, but certainly losing Tom Brady for even three or four games would be a tremendous blow for the Patriots next season.
 

 
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/new-england-patriots-fear-lengthy-suspension-for-tom-brady

 

[jsinger121]

Really can't see a suspension. If Brady gets a game or two he will most certainly appeal and (one supposes) an arbitrator will have to brought in and any arbitrator worth his salt would laugh the NFL's "evidence" out of court.
 
So - a fine - large enough to be noticed and small enough  to avoid an appeal would seem to be in everyone's best interest.

 
It would be bad for business for a lengthy suspension especially when the networks NBC, CBS and FOX will be upset. They need Brady to bring ratings for games.

 

[SeanBerry]

The Jets stuff is wildly creative. Very 1918...good stuff. 
 
But if many of you folks in the small section of people that think Brady is innocent can't even agree how he's innocent... that just doesn't lend a ton of substance towards that point.

 

[nattysez]

 
It would be bad for business for a lengthy suspension especially when the networks NBC, CBS and FOX will be upset. They need Brady to bring ratings for games.

 
You don't think people will watch games where the Pats are trying to win without Brady?  If it's a two-game suspension, I'll bet they get bigger ratings for the first game without him and the first "return" game than they would otherwise.

 

[Stitch01]

Troll thread for attention, get upset when get attention
 
Does not compute

 

[soxhop411]

 
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/new-england-patriots-fear-lengthy-suspension-for-tom-brady

6-8 games is a fucking joke and would make me consider not watching the NFL

 

[Marciano490]

The Jets stuff is wildly creative. Very 1918...good stuff. 
 
But if many of you folks in the small section of people that think Brady is innocent can't even agree how he's innocent... that just doesn't lend a ton of substance towards that point.

 
Or, it shows how many possible ways the evidence against him is flimsy, whereas there's only one possible there - not very well substantiated - that shows he's 'guilty'.

 

[dcmissle]

1. Get Gee off the road; points have been made.

2. Wrap yourself in the players' union.

3. Relatedly, make sure Kessler is on your team, even if you want to add lawyers of your own. He's good and has beaten the League at this before.

4. If penalized, scorched earth approach at the hearing.

5. Try your case inside the hearing room rather than outside. Insist to the hearing officer that the NFL does likewise. If it doesn't, make the League look bad.

6. Make the best possible case you can on why your phone does not matter. Ultimately that will probably decide whether you sit or not.

 

[Gambler7]

But if many of you folks in the small section of people that think Brady is innocent can't even agree how he's innocent... that just doesn't lend a ton of substance towards that point.
 

Hmmm, sounds like the reverse of the Wells report. If several attorneys hired to investigate all agree it is more than probable (50.1%) that Brady was generally aware of this, but can't explain exactly how or why he is guilty after 3 months of investigating...that just doesn't lend a ton of substance towards that point. 

 

[Leather]

Ya that 1918 thing had no legs.

 

[lithos2003]

The Jets stuff is wildly creative. Very 1918...good stuff. 
 
But if many of you folks in the small section of people that think Brady is innocent can't even agree how he's innocent... that just doesn't lend a ton of substance towards that point.

 
I think it helps prove the point, honestly.  If all of these plausible explanations show Brady as being innocent and none are explored in the Wells report, then the question is why not?  It's really not hard to see how this report can be construed as a hack job to railroad Brady is it?  Take off your "I'm a Jets fan" glasses for a minute :q:

 

[hbk72777]

 
Per people like Jimmy Johnson, the Pats did the same shit other teams did. They got caught.
 

 
It's only cheating if you get caught (pre nutjob Jesse Ventura)

 

[TheoShmeo]

The Jets stuff is wildly creative. Very 1918...good stuff. 
 
But if many of you folks in the small section of people that think Brady is innocent can't even agree how he's innocent... that just doesn't lend a ton of substance towards that point.

So your point is that people who think Tom is innocent are not Stepford Bradys.  Compelling!  And that somehow that in itself doesn't "lend substance" to the point.
 
Meaning that if they all agreed, the point would be more substantive or powerful.
 
I get that this is a glorious day (or week) for you but unlike the many fans of other teams who have joined the discussion, you have the distinction of twice adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.
 
Bravo.
 
 

 

[dcmissle]

Troll thread for attention, get upset when get attention
 
Does not compute

But ends as a trumped up domestic violence case here ... http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/88224-bbtl-again-and-again/#entry5917680

 

[nighthob]

Ya that 1918 thing had no legs.

Butt it had panache.