#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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How would the NFL censor Mortensen's tweet? That would've made for a worse story than what occurred.( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
If you meant that the NFL should've sent an immediate denial, perhaps Goodell wanted to determine whether it was true before denying it; it's not like the refs on the field and goodell communicate via telepathy.
EricFeczko said:
They could have said "we are investigating this matter, and media reports about the conditions of the footballs are inconclusive. We will relay our findings in due time."
EricFeczko said:
The NFL could have very easily released a statement or had a press conference level setting what they knew about the footballs. Or they could have been more sly and leaked out something to Mortensen. I doubt for a second he would have run with whatever they leaked, it's what guys like him do. The leak approach would not have been as effective, but I firmly believe a lot of this story was built on that one tweet/piece of information. The NFL made zero effort to control the message.
Red(s)HawksFan said:
Assuming Florio is correct and Kensil led the sting, he's the guy that had the data. He or one of his underlings would be Mort's source. Seems likely the misleading nature of the "leak" was probably intentional (especially given the lack of a follow up clarification)
Please let there be video of the Colts' equipment guy giving the intercepted ball a bit of the old in and out with a needle.
Wow, that Brady video. Game day can't get here fast enough at this point. Feels like we will see FU mode like the Chargers game after Spygate.
if the infraction is for deliberately lowering the PSI of a game ball, shouldn't the focus of the investigation be on the D'Quell ball and the Colts equipment guy.
This is the only anomaly that could be the result of deliberate action.
Fine the Colts and take away a pick for damaging the Patriots brand intentionally by their reckless behavior.
This is the only anomaly that could be the result of deliberate action.
Fine the Colts and take away a pick for damaging the Patriots brand intentionally by their reckless behavior.
If any of this new wave of info is accurate, can we safely assume that Mike Kensil is Mort's "league source"? A known Patriot "agitator", who spearheaded this whole sting, and the person in prime position to both leak to Mort and make it sound like it's the worst possible scenario? And if you're Mort, and this is true, and you were used, either by someone with an axe to grind, or as a way to exert leverage, can you afford to burn your source here?
Unnamed sources are starting to backtrack. This, IMO, is the clearest indication that things are accelerating in the Patriots direction.Corsi said:
So the second highest trending story on my Facebook feed is now how Bill Nye "refutes" Bill Belichick's explanation. It's also the top headline on my Yahoo fantasy sports page.
Get ready for all the sports media people who look ignorant now to move on to "it is an important story because the Patriots have a long pattern of cheating and a culture of cheating." That is going to be the response on why they were all hollering so much about this story that is nothing and has always been nothing. Of course, the Seahawks have a longer and more recent pattern of cheating and have more of a "culture of cheating." But that doesn't matter, because so many people want to believe the Patriots cheated and always cheat. And people aren't sick of Seattle yet, but everyone who isn't a Pats fan is sick of the Patriots.
I am not a Pats fan, and if they got busted for blatantly cheating I would probably just laugh and say "serves 'em right." But this whole story is not that and has never been that, it has always been total BS. It shows what a joke the NFL is and the American media is. And how dumb most of the American public is.
Get ready for all the sports media people who look ignorant now to move on to "it is an important story because the Patriots have a long pattern of cheating and a culture of cheating." That is going to be the response on why they were all hollering so much about this story that is nothing and has always been nothing. Of course, the Seahawks have a longer and more recent pattern of cheating and have more of a "culture of cheating." But that doesn't matter, because so many people want to believe the Patriots cheated and always cheat. And people aren't sick of Seattle yet, but everyone who isn't a Pats fan is sick of the Patriots.
I am not a Pats fan, and if they got busted for blatantly cheating I would probably just laugh and say "serves 'em right." But this whole story is not that and has never been that, it has always been total BS. It shows what a joke the NFL is and the American media is. And how dumb most of the American public is.
Peak Oil Can Boyd said:
What's probably happening is we are hearing from different sources. People scrambling to distance themselves from what's likely to happen inside league offices when the full story of this incredible cock-up finally sees the light of day.
You mean like they did the day after the tweet?Infield Infidel said:
I completely agree with the bolded. The NFL released a statement on the 21st and again on the 23rd, which stated as much.( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
Apart from the NFL saying that they are investigating the matter, I'm not sure what you want them to do. They can't issue a denial without investigation, just as they can't issue a confirmation without investigation. As another already pointed out, the problem here is the media shitstorm that grew out of the quote, not the NFL itself.
More likely the individual reporters claiming that the pats cheated are realizing that they don't have a case, and so are trying to distance themselves from prior claims. They are doing so through misdirection by blaming the NFL.Kull said:
Yup. The Bill Nye story is flooding Facebook. It's hard to believe he would be so irresponsible. Used to love him for his attempts to make understanding science fun and practical, now have lost a ton of respect for him.The Gray Eagle said:
EricFeczko said:
No. What's happening now is we are hearing not only a different story, but new, previously unreleased details:
- There was a sting
- It was headed by a former Jet (one who apparently is not viewed as impartial by the Patriots)
- The actual PSI deltas for 10 balls were substantially lower than the one ball that had the 2 PSI delta
- The ball with the largest delta was handled by Colts personnel
That's not "media people distancing themselves", its an entirely new narrative.
That quote does not address the media reports. That's the issue. They don't have to say whether it's true or not, just that the condition of the footballs is inconclusive until their investigation is over. Instead, everyone jumps to the conclusions the media has reported. By not addressing the media reports, it allows others to run away with the story.EricFeczko said:
You know what. You are right. This is media people making up an entirely new narrative in order to distance themselves from their previous, also made-up, narrative.Kull said:
PBDWake said:
That's a big if. A couple of days ago these guys were speculating about the Pats forfeiting the Super Bowl, and Brady and Belichick's Hall of Fame eligibility. The fact that the pendulum is starting to swing in the other direction doesn't make any of these knuckleheads more credible.
At this point I'm just happy that all the crazy isn't being propelled towards the Patriots.
Tom E. Curran @tomecurran 2m2 minutes ago
If we spent a week on a leak about leaks that proves to have been wrong and NFL just stood w/arms folded and watched (1 of 2)
Tom E. Curran @tomecurran 43s43 seconds ago
While a member franchise was dismembered before SB the level of corruption and lack of integrity means a fumigation is necessary.
If we spent a week on a leak about leaks that proves to have been wrong and NFL just stood w/arms folded and watched (1 of 2)
Tom E. Curran @tomecurran 43s43 seconds ago
While a member franchise was dismembered before SB the level of corruption and lack of integrity means a fumigation is necessary.
EricFeczko said:
Are you saying Florio pulled all of that out of thin air? As bogus as most of the media coverage has been to this point, it was based on leaks from the NFL office. His was not?
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/557748673208401921Red(s)HawksFan said:
It reads that 11 were 2 pounds under, not as much as 2 pounds under.
Corsi said:
That's true and it's a fact. The NFL succeeds despite Godell. He's a pox on the sporting world and he needs to go. Their handling of this situation after all the bumbling this entire year has been colossal failure of leadership.
kartvelo said:
The irresponsible part is that his segment on GMA has been edited to fit the narrative that he disputed everything that Belichick said when in fact the only thing he disputed was the concept that the rubbing/friction created enough heat to raise the PSI in the ball's pressure. Still stupid of him to insert himself into the story at all without explicitly stating that the science of PV=nRT is incontrovertible, but Nye didn't hang himself all alone here.
Like they did on the 23rd, when the story blew up after the quote?Infield Infidel said:
You are right, the NFL should be clairvoyant, read the tea leaves, and predict that the tweet will erupt in a cacophany of media horse-plop.
Let's be honest here. We are blaming the NFL for the fact that the media ran away with an unverified story? Shouldn't we be blaming the media for running away with an unverified story? Shouldn't we also realize that we are blaming the NFL because it detracts from what an incompetent group of "journalists" did?
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Yes. This is exactly what I'm saying (well, he pulled it from thinner air ). Furthermore, he's probably protected since these are blog posts under PFT's "rumor mill", which means unsubstantiated reporting is not only permissible, but encouraged.Kull said:
Goddell should not be presenting any trophies next Sunday evening. That's my emotional hot take and I'm sticking to it.
The league offices are responsible allowing the printing or posting of unsubstantiated rumors. Has the twitterverse made writers think they are completely free from any kind of responsibility? 8th graders have taken over the sports journalism occupation.
EricFeczko said:
Please. The NFL let this thing get out of control with no official statements, other than "We're investigating." Which means, to the public, "something shady happened and we're going to find out what it is." Defending the NFL isn't the right course. The media and the NFL handled this very poorly.
So poorly that Belichick had to do what he did yesterday.
AardsmaToZupcic said:
I stand corrected. That's what I get for going on memory when so much bullshit has been thrown around over the last 6 days.
Either way though, taking his report as gospel is the root of pretty much all of this. It was a minor story (nationally speaking) until he tweeted that. His tweet is the basis on which the entire house of cards that is this "controversy" is built.
So it's all about 118 characters and sound bites. People are blowing up over these. Still waiting for facts from the real accusers, the NFL. Yet, while this all embarrasses this league; NOTHING. They have released one statement, the roll call of lawyers and investigators who have obtained interviews of 40 people and some video. The longer this goes on the more it takes away from the focus of their premier product, the Super Bowl game. What horrible year for Goodell.
EricFeczko said:
With all due respect, you are missing the real story here. The original media firestorm was CAUSED by the deliberate transmission of incorrect information ("11 balls 2 PSI under spec") to the media, probably by an individual allegedly known to have an anti-Patriots axe to grind. The NFL then exacerbated the problem by failing to correct what was apparently a flat out lie.
This is going to blow up in a BIG way, and the League offices will be the justifiable target.
That Bill Nye segment reminds me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd38SkgNkFY
This is a good reminder of why a frank Belichick press conference like yesterday's is such a rarity. He knows the media's M.O. is to distort rather than report. I'm actually surprised nobody ran with the narrative that the key quote from yesterday was "Belichick: 'I'm Embarassed...'".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd38SkgNkFY
This is a good reminder of why a frank Belichick press conference like yesterday's is such a rarity. He knows the media's M.O. is to distort rather than report. I'm actually surprised nobody ran with the narrative that the key quote from yesterday was "Belichick: 'I'm Embarassed...'".
EricFeczko said:
The story was out of control by the 23rd. Had they said something significant on Monday or Tuesday they could have controlled the story
It's not mutually exclusive, the NFL and the media can be blamed. But a multibillion dollar organization should understand PR enough to get ahead of the story. It took them four days to say anything besides "we're looking into it." In four days, Adam Silver banned a member owner of the NBA for life and said he was putting the team up for sale. That's how you deal with this stuff.
Well now you are assuming who Morts source is, we don't know who told Mort that.Kull said:
I just don't buy this whole sting angle, it just makes no sense to me.
The good news is this fake controversy is imploding, lets just sit back and watch it.
Edit: Why are typos only visible after posting?
You are getting this from the same author who claimed that the manuever used by the pats in the ravens game was illegal, that belichick knowingly deflated balls, that Harbaugh notified the colts about deflation after the ravens-pats game, and that the NFL planned a sting with the refs during the AFC game.Kull said:
We have no clue who was mort's source, or whether mort's source is even credible. This is same mort who tweeted about "tension" between BB and TB in october.
This isn't a "real" story. It is another narrative concocted by the media (predominantly ESPN and PFT) in order to shift blame away from themselves.