And yet.... TT got 2 years at the MLE, Myers Leonard got 9.4M, Plumlee got 8/24.... that level of big gets paid.He's worse than TT and TT is fungible. It was proven this past off season. Pretty much all bigs are fungible minus a certain few.
And yet.... TT got 2 years at the MLE, Myers Leonard got 9.4M, Plumlee got 8/24.... that level of big gets paid.He's worse than TT and TT is fungible. It was proven this past off season. Pretty much all bigs are fungible minus a certain few.
Yeah, we're probably arguing semantics and I'm not going to die on the Theis Hill.He's worse than TT and TT is fungible. It was proven this past off season. Pretty much all bigs are fungible minus a certain few.
edit: Unless fungible to you is Wagner and Kornet. They aren't NBA players to me.
TT also got overpaid because the C's watched all their other options go one by one waiting on Hayward. Plus the MLE isn't that much more than what Theis is getting paid right now.And yet.... TT got 2 years at the MLE, Myers Leonard got 9.4M, Plumlee got 8/24.... that level of big gets paid.
I mean, it's almost twice what he gets paid now. My issue was with the idea that he would get paid about what he gets paid now.... I can't see him only getting $5M perTT also got overpaid because the C's watched all their other options go one by one waiting on Hayward. Plus the MLE isn't that much more than what Theis is getting paid right now.
If the MLE for Theis is the "overpay' then maybe he gets overpaid. He's a fungible big unless you want to get into a semantics argument.
It's what Kanter got. It's what Theis got the first time. He might get the MLE but I wouldn't be shocked at all if he signs for 1/5. It's Aron Baynes money.I mean, it's almost twice what he gets paid now. My issue was with the idea that he would get paid about what he gets paid now.... I can't see him only getting $5M per
Here's the list of UFA/RFA Centers & PF this Summer. It's a game of musical chairs with these guys, jobs keep on disappearing and the NCAA keeps spitting them out.It's what Kanter got. It's what Theis got the first time. He might get the MLE but I wouldn't be shocked at all if he signs for 1/5. It's Aron Baynes money.
You forgot the most relevant part. Averaging 1.0 PF per game with Chicago. Down from ~3 with the Celtics this year. Very very interestingTheis not exactly setting Chicago on fire. Three games, all losses, 5/4/2 in 20 minutes on 40/0/60% shooting, averaging minus-7
Fouls/MP | Fouls/GP | |
December | 0.10 | 2.0 |
January | 0.12 | 2.9 |
February | 0.12 | 3.3 |
March | 0.10 | 2.3 |
April | 0.05 | 1.0 |
Dropped from 6.7 FP100 last year to 5.7 this year with the Celtics. He's at 2.2 with the Bulls.I do think that Theis' fouling had been better with the Celtics this season. I can't point to a specific point in time, but my impression was that in the start of the season it was just like years prior, and then got better.
4 games. Give him time.Dropped from 6.7 FP100 last year to 5.7 this year with the Celtics. He's at 2.2 with the Bulls.
The thing is that “fungible bigs” have ALWAYS gotten paid in this league since there is such a small pool of them who can compete at the NBA level.TT also got overpaid because the C's watched all their other options go one by one waiting on Hayward. Plus the MLE isn't that much more than what Theis is getting paid right now.
If the MLE for Theis is the "overpay' then maybe he gets overpaid. He's a fungible big unless you want to get into a semantics argument.
It's early, but I can't believe I was so wrong on Wagner.What's not to love. We gain 3 inches and 5 years.
Kornet looks serviceable at times. Other times, he doesn't look like an NBA player. Wagner hasn't even looked playable.It's early, but I can't believe I was so wrong on Wagner.
I hope financially/flexibility -wise it was still a good move.
It was a good move. Getting under the tax was huge. But beyond that... Theis was the 3rd best big on a team that doesn't really need a 3rd big, getting to splitting big minutes between TT and TL, and goign with smaller guys at the 4 has been a key part of recent success. Even if Wagner never plays again, it would be good... also Kornet has been surprisingly decent in some matchups.It's early, but I can't believe I was so wrong on Wagner.
I hope financially/flexibility -wise it was still a good move.
It becomes problematic if either of Thompson/Williams gets hurt, but the title clearly isn't a realistic possibility this year anyway. Getting under the tax pays dividends down the road.It was a good move. Getting under the tax was huge. But beyond that... Theis was the 3rd best big on a team that doesn't really need a 3rd big, getting to splitting big minutes between TT and TL, and goign with smaller guys at the 4 has been a key part of recent success. Even if Wagner never plays again, it would be good... also Kornet has been surprisingly decent in some matchups.
I have a feeling Andre Drummond will be taking a rather sizeable pay cut this year.The thing is that “fungible bigs” have ALWAYS gotten paid in this league since there is such a small pool of them who can compete at the NBA level.
Couldn't we have achieved the same result by cutting Javonte Green before his salary became guaranteed? Theis for Wagner and and Kornet didn't save all that much money.It becomes problematic if either of Thompson/Williams gets hurt, but the title clearly isn't a realistic possibility this year anyway. Getting under the tax pays dividends down the road.
I wonder if Danny’s thinking was also that Theis was unlikely to return next year, given he’d be the third center and probably due a raise they didn’t want to give him, while Kornet had potential to be a useful piece who’d be cheaper to retain and fine with a deeper bench rotation role.Couldn't we have achieved the same result by cutting Javonte Green before his salary became guaranteed? Theis for Wagner and and Kornet didn't save all that much money.
Veteran move. You spared yourself some anxious moments.When the lead got to 27 points on a no-defense layup, I went to bed. That was my best move of the day.
I'm sure part of DA's thinking is that Brad tried to make the two big thing work and couldn't so once TL had to be put into the starting lineup and TT was the backup, there were no more minutes left for DT.I wonder if Danny’s thinking was also that Theis was unlikely to return next year, given he’d be the third center and probably due a raise they didn’t want to give him, while Kornet had potential to be a useful piece who’d be cheaper to retain and fine with a deeper bench rotation role.
Kornet's an UFA at the end of the year. So, we did gain his Bird rights, but I wouldn't value that all that highly. At the end of the day it was all about the cap - giving up some depth. It might have been that they thought they'd have been able to get more for Theis than they got - I certainly thought they would have been able to get a 2nd rounder for him (just to use as future capital).I wonder if Danny’s thinking was also that Theis was unlikely to return next year, given he’d be the third center and probably due a raise they didn’t want to give him, while Kornet had potential to be a useful piece who’d be cheaper to retain and fine with a deeper bench rotation role.
No because at that point we had no idea what we had in TL, he'd never shown the ability to play 2 weeks in a row even at 10-15 MPG.Couldn't we have achieved the same result by cutting Javonte Green before his salary became guaranteed? Theis for Wagner and and Kornet didn't save all that much money.
And Kornet has turned out to be necessary in a few games already, which have not been meaningless games.No because at that point we had no idea what we had in TL, he'd never shown the ability to play 2 weeks in a row even at 10-15 MPG.
Was he playing differently because he was "playing for a contract"? You'd think if so, his Chicago numbers might be different, but they aren't really--so it's not like he has the sudden freedom to do things differently.Theis playing for his next contract was not going to be a great roster fit the rest of the season, especially as it seemed unlikely that he would stay in Boston.
I was also a little surprised Theis went for so little, but in retrospect it made sense. The teams that could use a BIG (Lakers, Nets, Spurs) were getting better Centers at the minimum (Drummond, Blake, Dieng). So not much interest in Theis or TT for that matter.It might have been that they thought they'd have been able to get more for Theis than they got - I certainly thought they would have been able to get a 2nd rounder for him (just to use as future capital).
I guess it theoretically could have been worse, but Wagner's garbage time performance last night was almost epic.Good game, but I'll say a prayer that I never have to watch Tre or Wagner play again.
How does TL's performance impact whether we cut Javonte Green?No because at that point we had no idea what we had in TL, he'd never shown the ability to play 2 weeks in a row even at 10-15 MPG.
Because it would have to be done months ago. If you don't know what you have in TL at the beginning of the season, you don't know that you'll end up playing more 2 Big lineups while waiting for everyone to get healthy. Even with that many PF minutes going to true bigs, Javonte needed to play a good chunk of minutes. If they had played less 2 bigs because TL was struggling or hurt, there would have been even more minutes on the wing needed.How does TL's performance impact whether we cut Javonte Green?
I don’t expect Drummond to get another max deal but who were these cheap centers available when most of the highest paid FA 5’s on the market were Day 1 FA signings?I have a feeling Andre Drummond will be taking a rather sizeable pay cut this year.
Dwight Howard, a very fungible BIG hasn't been really paid all that much the last few years.
What did the Lakers spend on Howard/McGee last season? It's probably the one position where you can skimp, find one cheap in FA, and get away with it. I mean thats kind of what happened last Fall, after GH left, not a wing to be found but a plethora of BIGs were available
It was a good move. Getting under the tax was huge. But beyond that... Theis was the 3rd best big on a team that doesn't really need a 3rd big, getting to splitting big minutes between TT and TL, and goign with smaller guys at the 4 has been a key part of recent success. Even if Wagner never plays again, it would be good... also Kornet has been surprisingly decent in some matchups.
Did they get under the tax threshold? Spotrac still shows them $1.4 million over. Maybe Spotac just sucks because I can't imagine Zarren letting that happen. Is there a better source that shows them under the tax line?It becomes problematic if either of Thompson/Williams gets hurt, but the title clearly isn't a realistic possibility this year anyway. Getting under the tax pays dividends down the road.
I've been beating this drum since the trade, so much so that it seems like the guy owes me money or something. He's not good.I guess it theoretically could have been worse, but Wagner's garbage time performance last night was almost epic.
This is Wagner. This has always been Wagner. I’m still surprised he wasn’t told the day of the trade to just stay where he was and we’d send him a check.I've been beating this drum since the trade, so much so that it seems like the guy owes me money or something. He's not good.
Something is wrong with Sporttrac's number, but only in the LT calculation section.Did they get under the tax threshold? Spotrac still shows them $1.4 million over. Maybe Spotac just sucks because I can't imagine Zarren letting that happen. Is there a better source that shows them under the tax line?
Make an offseason market on Drummond? do you see him getting over $15MM/yr?I don’t expect Drummond to get another max deal but who were these cheap centers available when most of the highest paid FA 5’s on the market were Day 1 FA signings?
Teams that are a championship destination aren’t the norm however so Howard and Gasol weren’t really on a true open market. Just this past summer we saw:
Day 1 FA
Favors 3/29
Plumlee 3/25
Leonard 2/20
Harrell 2/19
Post-Day 1
Tristan 2/19
Ibaka 2/19
Baynes 2/14
Poeltl 3/26
The others available were guys like WCS, Gasol (although he was going to a contender), Okafor, Will Hernan, Len, Biyombo......in other words, any center who has shown an ability to compete at this level made close to $10m per on a multi-year deal.
I did notice that but don't understand the system well enough to know if there's a difference between how you calculate total cap allocation ($130,337,016 on Spotrac) and total taxable salaries ($134,016,778 on Spotrac). If those numbers are supposed to be the same then that's the mistake (on their part).Something is wrong with Sporttrac's number, but only in the LT calculation section.
If you actually total the cap numbers and dead holds they have it comes out to $130,337,016... for some reason they don't have that number translating down to where they calculate the cap space.
pretty sure it is.I did notice that but don't understand the system well enough to know if there's a difference between how you calculate total cap allocation ($130,337,016 on Spotrac) and total taxable salaries ($134,016,778 on Spotrac). If those numbers are supposed to be the same that that's the mistake on their part.
I'm guessing it's because they don't properly account for Jaylen and Fournier's unlikely bonuses.pretty sure it is.
So praying works.Good game, but I'll say a prayer that I never have to watch Tre or Wagner play again.
Watched on DVR, so I already knew final score. The last few minutes would have been even more painful otherwise.