Cooks and pick traded to the Rams for picks
- Thread starter ifmanis5
- Start date
Want nothing to do with him. I’ll be very disappointed if they now turn around and trade two 1s so they can pay a headache diva $20M a year.
Certainly possible but less so than years past. In theory, I could see the Pats looking for a player at a premium position (QB, LT) but if they just think this draft has immediate starters 40-50 deep, then I could absolutely see BB going for 5 picks between rounds 2-3.
I don't disagree in principle, but I'd cap the time aspect at 5 years (length of rookie contracts I believe). Once a player can earn market rate, a lot changes regardless if he is a starting QB (look no farther than Russ Wilson in Seattle).
I disagree with some people in that I think Cooks actually was great at what he did. The issue was that a deep threat seems like an unnecessary luxury in today's game. A possession receiver is the most important non qb poisitin on offense these days.
I went from a joke about taking a flyer on him for 20 bucks to remembering he's dead to finding out he died 13 years ago...I'm not ready to start feeling old damn itWho?
I put zero stock in that scenario anyway, but good to see chatter on it. It makes no sense on multiple levels.
They WANT two #1s. Doesn't mean they'd get that.
LaCanfora aside, would you (or anyone) trade 1 of th #1s and 1 of the #2s?
Not me ... because it's only for short-term gain, if that. They have multiple needs and have won with far less of a receiving corps than they have now
No. I want nothing to do with him or his upcoming salary or his attitude. There’s no way they’d have paid him end of year. He’s a phenomenal receiver but he’s a headache that doesn’t fit the culture here. People cite Moss and I think it’s a terrible comp - Moss was almost irrelevant and took a pay cut to fall in. If anyone thinks OBJ would do that I think they’re being foolish and I think OBJ would be too - he should get every dollar he can, while he can.
If the Giants would have taken a 1 and 2 for him, why wouldn’t the Rams have done that instead? Either it’s not realistic or they have similar reservations.
If the Giants would have taken a 1 and 2 for him, why wouldn’t the Rams have done that instead? Either it’s not realistic or they have similar reservations.
I would absolutely trade 31/63 for OBJ. If you squeezed my arm, I could be talked into 23/63. The Pats have won 5 SBs. There isn’t much more that they can do that we haven’t seen. For me, it’s all about entertainment now that Brady got #5. I know we’d all love to have a nice 30 year reign of terror but that isn’t going to happen. Brady will retire. Belichick will retire. And both of their replacements won’t be nearly as good. And I accept that. Right now, I want to watch the most fun product possible while Brady has still got it. And watching Brady throw to Gronk, Beckham, Edelman, etc. would be freaking awesome.
I got home from work at 4:30pm central and fell asleep at 4:45. Woke up now from a nap that raged out of control. First of all I love this trade.
I agree with SuperNomario and others on who they will target.
I don’t think they’ll grab a receiver at 31.
You know who they might look at for a Cooks replacement? Full disclosure this prospect has been discussed a lot by the non big-draft media but Anthony Miller out of Memphis. If you want a shifty athletic receiver who can play the deep role or out of the slot look to him. NFL Draft says he is a round 3-4 projected prospect but I think he's a worthy of a 2nd round pick. Most of the guides I have purchased like him a lot too.
I think receiver has some good depth but I doubt they go with a WR at 23 or 31 at least with this year's class.
If they go QB I'm excited and if they pull off Rosen it should go down as one of the biggest coups ever for a team originally picking at 31 to get the QB1 that year.
If they don't go QB in the first round and they want to trade up the Seahawks are sitting there at 18 with only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds. They also leap-frog teams like ATL and PIT who might be looking at similar defensive front 7 players. This has been a bit of a crazy off-season and it's getting even juicier. I picked a good year to really sink my teeth into the draft.
I agree with SuperNomario and others on who they will target.
I don’t think they’ll grab a receiver at 31.
You know who they might look at for a Cooks replacement? Full disclosure this prospect has been discussed a lot by the non big-draft media but Anthony Miller out of Memphis. If you want a shifty athletic receiver who can play the deep role or out of the slot look to him. NFL Draft says he is a round 3-4 projected prospect but I think he's a worthy of a 2nd round pick. Most of the guides I have purchased like him a lot too.
I think receiver has some good depth but I doubt they go with a WR at 23 or 31 at least with this year's class.
If they go QB I'm excited and if they pull off Rosen it should go down as one of the biggest coups ever for a team originally picking at 31 to get the QB1 that year.
If they don't go QB in the first round and they want to trade up the Seahawks are sitting there at 18 with only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds. They also leap-frog teams like ATL and PIT who might be looking at similar defensive front 7 players. This has been a bit of a crazy off-season and it's getting even juicier. I picked a good year to really sink my teeth into the draft.
I’m all for making out the window, but that trade would be for one year. They aren’t paying him $18-20M on an extension. No thanks. The offense can run just fine without a stud receiver. Edelman is probably the best we’ve had and won with.
Possible FA WR out there still....
Eric Decker
Jeremy Maclin
Charles Johnson
Michael Floyd
Jordan Matthews
Brandon Coleman
Decker would probably be effective right off the bat. Maclin would be interesting. So would Matthews.
A question for the group here.... The Pats will effectively be replacing Cooks and Amendola with - if they're healthy enough to play - Edelman and Mitchell.
2016 Edelman: 98 rec, 1106 yds, 11.3 avg, 3 td
2016 Mitchell: 32 rec, 401 yds, 12.5 avg, 4 td
2017 Cooks: 65 rec, 1082 yds, 16.6 avg, 7 td
2017 Amendola: 61 rec, 659 yds, 10.8 avg, 2 td
Eric Decker
Jeremy Maclin
Charles Johnson
Michael Floyd
Jordan Matthews
Brandon Coleman
Decker would probably be effective right off the bat. Maclin would be interesting. So would Matthews.
A question for the group here.... The Pats will effectively be replacing Cooks and Amendola with - if they're healthy enough to play - Edelman and Mitchell.
2016 Edelman: 98 rec, 1106 yds, 11.3 avg, 3 td
2016 Mitchell: 32 rec, 401 yds, 12.5 avg, 4 td
2017 Cooks: 65 rec, 1082 yds, 16.6 avg, 7 td
2017 Amendola: 61 rec, 659 yds, 10.8 avg, 2 td
Haha this is why I shouldn't post this late at night. The question is: If Edelman and Mitchell effectively replace Cooks and Amendola..... which duo would you rather have for the Patriots?
I mean, they were a fluke play away from going undefeated with Randy Moss with a defense that was far from dominant. They clearly don’t need a stud WR to win but adding one certainly has value. Whether it has enough value to justify the price tag, I don’t know. And I certainly don’t reject the counter arguments.
Belichick clearly won’t pay this price so it’s all a moot point but the thought of a Gronk, OBJ, Edelman offense is simply fun. And that’s really what I’m looking for at this point, even if it’s short-lived.
Cooks/Amendola.
Cooks is entering his prime and Edelman will be 32 soon and coming off a major injury while Mitchell is completely unreliable from a health standpoint.
I think they're expecting Edelman + Dorsett/Patterson/Kenny Britt/Mitchell to replace the production, the possession plays at X and deep threats. Seems reasonable
Traditionally, yes most receivers drafted, even those taken early, take 2-3 years to be full contributors. There are exceptions of course but I wouldn't expect much out of a receiver. Part of that is on the receiver though. Courtland Sutton, for example, runs limited routes in a different style of offense and isn't the smoothest route runner so it would take him longer in theory.
New England has had some receivers contribute year 1 though recently:
Mitchell, as noted previously, 32 rec, 401 yds, 12.5 avg, 4 td.
Aaron Dobson was 37 rec, 519, 14.0 avg, 4td.
They have the luxury of red-shirting a drafted a receiver too if they want to get someone with more athleticism/upside there but who needs more development (I shy away from those kinds of prospects in early rounds but that's me).
Edit: regardless of what they do at with more traditional X receivers in the draft I do think they go after a slot guy who probably adds value on ST. Lots of interesting slot guys this year who would be available, in theory, in the 6th like Trey Quinn.
Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago
Patriots attempted to re-sign WR Brandin Cooks before talks broke off. Rams now will continue those talks with the intent to sign Cooks to a long-term deal, per sources.
Patriots attempted to re-sign WR Brandin Cooks before talks broke off. Rams now will continue those talks with the intent to sign Cooks to a long-term deal, per sources.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. They wanted to re-sign Cooks in their terms, but had a trade already lined up if that didn’t happen.
Yeah I said 10 just because of the QB aspect. If they don't draft The Heir then I would agree it will shape the next 5 years.
Hard to believe they got 20 picks higher for Cooks than Garappolo.
2015 was mostly a bust then in 2016 you have Michael Thomas and Tyreek Hill, 2017 had JuJu and Cooper Kupp emerge.
Not a high hit rate in year 1 but seems to be a position that is turning out more impact players, likely due to so many colleges adopting pro offenses.
That used to be the case but in 2014 we saw Mike Evans, OBJ, Kelvin Benjamin, Cooks, Allen Robinson and to a lesser extent Sammy Watkins all contribute significantly.
2015 was mostly a bust then in 2016 you have Michael Thomas and Tyreek Hill, 2017 had JuJu and Cooper Kupp emerge.
Not a high hit rate in year 1 but seems to be a position that is turning out more impact players, likely due to so many colleges adopting pro offenses.
Not really. Cooks has 4 years of borderline pro bowl-level play of experience and a full year left while Jimmy had 6 quarters experience and half a season on his deal.
Going to be harder to believe when they trade Jimmy G, Cooks and their own 1st to move up for a rookie QB...
I don't think they'll do it, but thats the math that gets them close to the the 5th pick.
And that’s not likely to cut it, if your aim is the top three, Barkley notwithstanding. Already you’re talking their own first, the Rams’ first, and SF’s second. Anyone advocate adding another top pick to the pot to make this happen? With the evident needs our team already has??
Edit — I don’t think so. Maybe they package something if a QB they like falls into the teens. But I don’t see them trading away the whole top of their draft for someone who, however essential — and he is essential — is going to ride the bench next season.
Garoppolo had less film on him starting in the NFL; I'd say the variance on his expected performance would be higher, even if his team impact is amplified. We had fewer suitors available mid-season than you do in the offseason. But most importantly, he only had a half-year of below-market team control remaining, while Cooks has a full year (+offseason).
Plus you also have to consider what your top trading partners actually have to trade. SF wasn't sending the #9 pick, had few players that BB would want, and probably wasn't going to hamstring additional years down the line. If you want to say JG was worth a 2nd round + 4th or 5th, that's fair, but we weren't getting a 2nd + 3rd.
For top three its "Jimmy G, Cooks and their own 1st, Gronk and Giselle.
Belichick might do it.
heh
Belichick might do it.
heh
And who they would pay, what, 15M less this year and have under contract for at least another 3 years, about when Brady may retire?
WR is still may be the deepest position group on the team so I don’t think they need another WR but the guy in my mind to keep an eye on is Dez Bryant. He is in the last year of his deal and wants a big contract from Dallas. There are rumors of him being cut out there. A ton of ifs here, but I’d Dallas is going to cut him and if Dez would restructure to something short term then I see the fit for a trade. Dez isn’t the same immature kid he once was and say what you want about him but he is passionate about the game. With all of the does Gronk want to be all in this year, it makes me think that won’t be an issue with dez.
I guess the other big question though is can he stay healthy and is he even good anymore. I think most people would take Dez over a fool like Beckham without thinking twice, even if the ceiling for their production wouldn’t be the same.
I guess the other big question though is can he stay healthy and is he even good anymore. I think most people would take Dez over a fool like Beckham without thinking twice, even if the ceiling for their production wouldn’t be the same.
Last edited:
I know why they did this but I am going to miss Cooks. He played hard, and made some big plays.
Agreed. SB wasn’t his finest showing obviously but he was huge in AFCCG. But end of the day, tough to justify paying big money for a 65 catch guy who isn’t a big red zone threat.
How are they going to keep any picks in the first or 2nd round while moving up to the top 2-5?
IMO there is no way we go into next season with the lineman currently on the roster. If we don't move any of the first four picks, I expect 2 lineman, and 2 of 3 QB, linebacker, DB. If we improve the line, the need for ultra elite receivers goes away. Give Brady a clean pocket and time to throw and we'll be fine with the receivers we have. No receiver is going to overcome what will happen if Brady doesn't have time to throw.
Going back to the draft where we took Jones and Hightower, I remember being pretty conditioned (based on the years prior) thinking we would trade out of the first round and stockpile, but BB threw us a curveball and moved up and took 2 players first round. Each year is different, I think this is one where the current draft stock is needed for immediate reinforcement and I expect them to draft near where those spots currently are.
Going back to the draft where we took Jones and Hightower, I remember being pretty conditioned (based on the years prior) thinking we would trade out of the first round and stockpile, but BB threw us a curveball and moved up and took 2 players first round. Each year is different, I think this is one where the current draft stock is needed for immediate reinforcement and I expect them to draft near where those spots currently are.
The CBA being revised several years back to have salary slots for the draft picks has changed BB's calculus a bit regarding trading down.
Last edited: