Chris Sale (plus $17mil) traded to Atlanta for Vaughn Grissom

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Yaz4Ever said:
Honest question - will he be worse at 2B than Kike (who I still love) was at SS for us last year? I'm looking at Story/Grissom being FAR better defensively than Kike/hodgepodge of 2B was last year. IF Story remembers how to hit, that makes the middle infield that much better than 2023.

I've said it numerous times, we were in the playoff hunt in '23 for much of the season. Improving our rotation so we don't use Openers, adding a 2b who can hit, and adding a RHH bat and we're significantly better. So far, the Giolito addition and loss of Sale is basically a wash for me. Giolito should give us more innings, which is huge, but I think Sale would've had better stats in his fewer innings. I'll wait and see how Grissom is offensively ('23 horrible numbers or great success in MiLB?) and what we do in terms of a RHH power hitter. Regardless, we need SP via trade/signings but I'm optimistic at this point.

edit: forgot to mention I'm excited about Bailey working with our pitchers. Perhaps he make Giolito even better, but I'm looking squarely at pitchers like Crawford taking a step forward this year. Houck, Crawford, Pivetta (depending on how they're used) could all be bigger pieces this year.
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Based off of what we have seen the last couple years, I am confident the Red Sox can make literally anyone worse at defense.
 
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This seems right. It seems likely the Braves could have gotten a much more reliable SP than Sale for Grissom. This makes me think reliability is not the goal for them. They have good depth, so it makes sense to gamble on upside, and fall back to Shawver, Waldrep, and Dodd when Sale, Fried, and/or Morton miss starts. That's definitely not where the Sox rotation is right now.
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Exactly. Dan Syzmborski made a point like this. Note in the second tweet he’s not saying it’s a bad thing—and clearly ATL agrees https://x.com/dszymborski/status/1741187879198458361?s=46&t=1Z2_Xz2artz1_IpyD1F4_A

Also relevant that 2/3 of the best hitters on ATL’s likely playoff competition for the next few years in LAD and PHI are LHB
 
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I wonder if Grissom is fielding at all over at shortstop right now. They have to at least be exploring that option with Story potentially out for an unknowable while? I suppose he could be worse than Pablo out there, but I have to think they're at least contemplating it.

Better option for the team defensively is probably Ceddanne or Pablo at SS, though.
 
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Fishy1 said:
I wonder if Grissom is fielding at all over at shortstop right now. They have to at least be exploring that option with Story potentially out for an unknowable while? I suppose he could be worse than Pablo out there, but I have to think they're at least contemplating it.

Better option for the team defensively is probably Ceddanne or Pablo at SS, though.
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During the course of 4 minor league seasons Grissom played 234 games at SS, starting 231 of them. I'll leave those who are better versed in such things to discuss how good of a SS he actually is.
 
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YTF said:
During the course of 4 minor league seasons Grissom played 234 games at SS, starting 231 of them. I'll leave those who are better versed in such things to discuss how good of a SS he actually is.
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@absintheofmalaise is our Braves expert here, and I think he's said in the past that Grissom is average at best
 
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YTF said:
During the course of 4 minor league seasons Grissom played 234 games at SS, starting 231 of them. I'll leave those who are better versed in such things to discuss how good of a SS he actually is.
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Pretty sure abs has commented on that before from watching him play for the Braves. The reviews were not glowing
 
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Our current bar is "better than Pablo/Blizzard/Romy" though, unless we make a trade. I think Valdez has been cromulent enough at 2nd to stick there if he can start hitting as well as he did last year.
 
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Grissom finally expected to make his season debut tonight.... Chris Sale will likely be injured the exact same moment, yeah? Anyhow..... assuming Grissom can stay healthy, the defense should be at least equal to what Valdez did- which was impressive knowing how terrible he was last season there- and the offense a significant improvement. I was expecting the opposite from Valdez, above average offensive production and terrible defense. The improvement at D and the fact that he has shown to have ML level bat skills will be good for his future though. Finally just excited to watch the guy who I hope will be the starter at 2B for the next 5 years or so
 
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Sandy Leon Trotsky said:
Grissom finally expected to make his season debut tonight.... Chris Sale will likely be injured the exact same moment, yeah? Anyhow..... assuming Grissom can stay healthy, the defense should be at least equal to what Valdez did- which was impressive knowing how terrible he was last season there- and the offense a significant improvement. I was expecting the opposite from Valdez, above average offensive production and terrible defense. The improvement at D and the fact that he has shown to have ML level bat skills will be good for his future though. Finally just excited to watch the guy who I hope will be the starter at 2B for the next 5 years or so
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I guess after the bike incident, we can't rule anything out, but Sale made it through his last start unscathed and isn't scheduled to start again until Wednesday...against the Red Sox.
 
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