Chris Borland retires over concussion concerns

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I was surprised that Borland didn't at least try the Pro Cap that the Niners LT Steve Wallace wore in the 90's.  It was a styrofoam and rubber "toupee" that sat on the top of a helmet's outer shell.  It seems the NFL controversially outlawed it years ago citing increased risk of neck injury.  Wallace had 3(!) concussions in half a season before he wore it and claims he was concussion free afterwards.  You'd think with the money that Borland, etc. are giving up would spur the NFLPA to at least fight for Pro Caps.  It might be a viable alternative.
 
That said, there's a decent chance that concussions will go down as coaches from youth leagues on up stress that the helmet cannot be used at all.  When/if the league dumps Goodell and gets serious about illegal helmet hits with serious fines and suspensions, along with outright bans for players who won't change.  A guy like Meriweather simply shouldn't be allowed to play given the tackling choices he makes.  As the old school tacklers retire, the game should at least have fewer helmet-to-helmet hits and that'll go a long way to slowing concussions.  
 
A shame for Borland though, but it's a good decision by him given the current climate.
 

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How feasible would it be to get rid of the helmets? I remember back in a somewhat different era I used to argue with a buddy of mine who favored rugby. He said that rugby players are tougher because they don't wear pads. My response was that he misunderstood. Helmets in the modern game are weapons. But they are weapons that inflict a high price on both the attacker and defender. But it seems like such a radical change that getting rid of helmets would require an existential threat to the NFL.
 
I also wonder if players would get a bit smaller if helmets were banned. It would diminish the returns to the ability to hit hard, which might result in a smaller quicker style of play. That would result in a safety increase in two ways - fewer dangerous collisions and less kinetic energy.
 
Or somehow combine the technology of the SAFER barrier in NASCAR into football pads to better absorb/dissipate the energy of the impact. (I think that was the point of the Great Gazoo helmet additions worn by Wallace and Mark Kelso.)  I dont know if that's remotely possible within the size limitation of the humans wearing the pads, but as long as they keep referring to NFL collisions as "being like car crashes," it seems logical that one might look to the car crash experts for some technology.
 

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NASCAR technology is all designed to prevent a catastrophic injury in case of an unlikely event. If a driver slams into a wall, a concussion is likely an acceptable outcome. Same with bicycle helmets, ski helmets, etc.
In football, you're dealing with repeated, non-catastophic impacts, which is totally different. The primary function of the football helmet is to protect against fractured skulls and massive traumatic brain injuries, and they already do a great job at that. Preventing concussions through technology seems very unlikely, given the nature of the game. Or at very least, unlikely without increasing the risk of other injuries, including broken necks(like adding mass and surface area with the pro cap).
 

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NASCAR technology is all designed to prevent a catastrophic injury in case of an unlikely event. If a driver slams into a wall, a concussion is likely an acceptable outcome. Same with bicycle helmets, ski helmets, etc. In football, you're dealing with repeated, non-catastophic impacts, which is totally different. The primary function of the football helmet is to protect against fractured skulls and massive traumatic brain injuries, and they already do a great job at that. Preventing concussions through technology seems very unlikely, given the nature of the game. Or at very least, unlikely without increasing the risk of other injuries, including broken necks(like adding mass and surface area with the pro cap).
 
Good points (as I would expect with your screen name). And while the SAFER barriers might turn death into concussion, they might also turn concussion into walk-away-and-race-tomorrow.  Regardless,  I think there might be some commonality at the basic level of reducing deceleration injury. You'd think that in "turning over every rock" the NFL would both look at -- and especially publicize looking at -- the physics for common ground. [I am not a man of science....]
 
I also recall reading a few years ago that attempts to soften the contact surfaces of shoulder pads to similarly reduce or dissipate impact forces were resisted by coaches (maybe players, too) who like the sounds of the big hit.
 

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Unsurprising response from the NFL:
 
 
 
Jeff Miller, the NFL's vice president of health and safety policy, issued a statement Tuesday through Pro Football Talk, saying football has "never been safer and we continue to make progress with rule changes, safer tackling techniques at all levels of football, and better equipment, protocols and medical care for players. ... We are seeing a growing culture of safety. Everyone involved in the game knows that there is more work to do and player safety will continue to be our top priority."
 

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I don't understand why the NFL even bothers to issue a statement; they just come across as defensive. Lots of players retire for a variety of reasons, not sure they needed to provide commentary on the matter.
 
really. They spend a fucktillion dollars on PR, and no one said "No. No. No. You're statement should be, 'Chris was a future star and we're sure he'll be just as successful in his next venture as he was in this one.'"  This has Goodell's ham-fisted fingerprints all over it. 
 
Next step......Blackball Borland (who said he's looking into sports management) from future employment.
 
 
EDIT : to reflect the guy's actual first name.
 

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The stuntman equivalent of a belly flop?  His left hip hits the window frame and there's zero give.  He must have been black and blue all over that side.  At best.
he retired immediately after that take
 

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really. They spend a fucktillion dollars on PR, and no one said "No. No. No. You're statement should be, 'Jeff was a future star and we're sure he'll be just as successful in his next venture as he was in this one.'"  This has Goodell's ham-fisted fingerprints all over it. 
 
Next step......Blackball Borland (who said he's looking into sports management) from future employment.
 
If the PR guy said to write "Jeff was a future star" for a statement on Chris Borland, he really isn't earning his keep.
 

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If the PR guy said to write "Jeff was a future star" for a statement on Chris Borland, he really isn't earning his keep.
 
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This video was just taken down off of the NFL website, after the event was talked about in Borland's recent interview. He talked about how disgusted he was, and how he considered walking out of the meeting. It was the 2014 Rookie Symposium, an NFL-sanctioned event. Cris Carter and Warren Sapp were talking to players, and advised them to "get a fall guy" in their respective crews who would be willing to go to jail for them when they broke the law -- because they have to keep their names out of the headlines at all costs.

Integrity of the game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/cris-carter-told-nfl-rookies-to-get--fall-guy--for-when-they-get-in-legal-trouble-201018948.html
 

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This video was just taken down off of the NFL website, after the event was talked about in Borland's recent interview. He talked about how disgusted he was, and how he considered walking out of the meeting. It was the 2014 Rookie Symposium, an NFL-sanctioned event. Cris Carter and Warren Sapp were talking to players, and advised them to "get a fall guy" in their respective crews who would be willing to go to jail for them when they broke the law -- because they have to keep their names out of the headlines at all costs.

Integrity of the game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/cris-carter-told-nfl-rookies-to-get--fall-guy--for-when-they-get-in-legal-trouble-201018948.html
 
How would one go about emailing this to clerks working for, say, a senior judge in NY? Might as well get the "integrity" thing fully sized...
 

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According to NFL team it was not 2014 which means Borland wasn't even there.

https://twitter.com/jasonlacanfora/status/635574417939165184
 

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I am not going to assume the truth, or falsity, of Borland's allegations. It will be interesting to see how they are covered, if at all.
 

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Hoo-hoo-hoo hoosier land.
Guess who was responsible for this shit show? Troy Vincent, naturally:

"When Troy Vincent revamped the symposium, he brought in recent retirees who were his contemporaries. He also put an emphasis on men who shared his strong Christian faith. Hall of Famer Aeneas Williams, who will give the symposiums final address, fits the bill on both counts.
Think about how you want this thing to end, says Williams. Warren and Cris talked about making changes outwardly and not inwardly. When God changed my spirit, it wasn't that I was made perfect. The difference that Christ made is that there's now a thought before my actions.'"

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/09/nfl-rookie-symposium-part-2
 

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Well this is moving fast. I see that the NFL has acknowledged the remarks, characterizing them as unfortunate.

It seems to me, at the very least, that CC will not be riffing further on DFG.

WTF will Mike and Mike be saying tomorrow about this?

It has been a nice week.
 

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I am not going to assume the truth, or falsity, of Borland's allegations. It will be interesting to see how they are covered, if at all.
 
 
I BEG everyone to read this: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463272/how-former-san-francisco-49ers-chris-borland-retirement-change-nfl-forever

Mark Fainaru-Wada and Steve Fainaru wrote what should be the story that receives every award possible in journalism. It's stunning. 

That #DFG has actually managed to cover up the real scandal is ... amazing. 
 

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Yeah, that is a little surprising given the subject matter.  That said, its probably too long and its subject too "soft" for most hardcore NFL fans.
 

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Yeah, that is a little surprising given the subject matter.  That said, its probably too long and its subject too "soft" for most hardcore NFL fans.
 
First comment is some guy calling Borland a "pussy." This is who the NFL is playing to for Deflategate and other such issues.
 

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Yeah, that is a little surprising given the subject matter.  That said, its probably too long and its subject too "soft" for most hardcore NFL fans.
 
ESPN was involved in "League of Denial" before pulling out at the last minute. Wonder if the Fainaru brothers had contractual obligations, or more likely that ESPN has some sympathetic editors that decided to give them another run.
 

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ESPN was involved in "League of Denial" before pulling out at the last minute. Wonder if the Fainaru brothers had contractual obligations, or more likely that ESPN has some sympathetic editors that decided to give them another run.
 
Their involvement in and subsequent backing away from LoD (which every NFL fan should be made to watch) is exactly why I am shocked they are running this piece.  I have to believe that between the topic of the piece as well as the side-show that arose from Borland's off-hand comment about the fall guy advice, ESPNs editors will feel some heat from 345 Park, if they haven't already.
 
Edit: Thanks for the link to the article sf121 btw.  It is a great read.
 

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I BEG everyone to read this: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463272/how-former-san-francisco-49ers-chris-borland-retirement-change-nfl-forever
Mark Fainaru-Wada and Steve Fainaru wrote what should be the story that receives every award possible in journalism. It's stunning. 

That #DFG has actually managed to cover up the real scandal is ... amazing. 
 
Goddamn this was excellent, the Ireland bits especially. I need to stop procrastinating on my study abroad application.  
 

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And in knee jerk fashion, following the NFL, ESPN has just crushed Chris Carter, paving the way for Mike and Mike tomorrow.

This while continuing, no doubt, to bring Herr Munson on to discuss PSI.

Somewhere in hell, Herr Goebbels is smiling.

Bear In mind, friends, that CC is on a contract with the NFL to counsel the newbies.
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
According to NFL team it was not 2014 which means Borland wasn't even there.


https://twitter.com/jasonlacanfora/status/635574417939165184
https://twitter.com/jasonlacanfora/status/635574417939165184

link to tweet

The NFL fucked that up; there are people in the video who were rookies in 2014, like Teddy Bridgewater. Good job NFL trying to make Boreland put to be a liar when its pretty obvious he isn't lying and the video was sitting on their site for more than a year. Could you trust the NFL to give away free alcohol at a frat party without fucking it up?
 

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So Carter only said it once at the 2014 symposium that Borland attended?
Yep. There are 2 symposiums every year. Carter spoke at the NFC one, and did not repeat it at the AFC one. Still a sanctimonious hypocrite.
 

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Goddamn this was excellent, the Ireland bits especially. I need to stop procrastinating on my study abroad application.  
Not to get off topic but as someone who studied in Ireland last year, this is a thing you need to do.
 

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Yep. There are 2 symposiums every year. Carter spoke at the NFC one, and did not repeat it at the AFC one. Still a sanctimonious hypocrite.
Got it now. Thank you sir! And yes he is. Cute that's he's so contrite now about after having it go viral. Just a shame Hernandez wasn't an NCF rookie in 2014, valuable piece of advice for a someone with a proclivity to fucking shoot people.
 

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Stole this from the Jets thread

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Three more guys get their brains scrambled, just another day in the NFL.  Erik Kramer, oft-concussed during his NFL career, shoots himself.  
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-erik-kramer-shot-met-0822-20150821-story.html
 
I haven't heard much mention of Kramer.  He's only a player, and one more is (almost) gone.  The NFL is delighted that everyone is talking about disputed inflation levels in footballs, and the accompanying pig circus surrounding it.  I'd say it's Machiavellian, but the dipshits running things aren't smart enough to manufacture this themselves.  They bumblefucked into it, then opportunistically exploited it beyond proportion to help distract from the concussions and suicides.  I feel filthy paying attention to this league.
I feel filthy following this league too. Is it going to change your behavior? I'm almost there myself. Thanks to Gronk, my sons are really getting into watching the Pats. Sometimes I feel like I'm sucking the joy out of watching for them when I explain what just happened to that human being that just got absolutely crushed trying to catch the ball. But I want them to have all the information and make the choice on their own. I like to tell people that I'm raising skeptics. I give them as much information as I can, and constantly remind them not to take my word for it, and go find out for yourself. Unless it something like that screaming hot pan that just came out of the oven will melt your flesh of you touch it.