Celtics Trade Deadline Game Thread

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Woj bomb on Paul George.......

The Indiana Pacers are gauging the trade market on All-Star forward Paul George, league sources told The Vertical.

The Pacers are working the trade deadline on parallel fronts: Pursuing deals that will bring talent into Indiana to sell George on signing a long-term extension – and soliciting deal offers on George that would signal a rebuild around center Myles Turner, league sources told The Vertical.

Ultimately, the Pacers will have to evaluate the two paths and make a decision before Thursday’s 3 p.m. ET deadline. There’s no urgency to make a deal for George, unless the Pacers fear the Boston Celtics could ultimately provide Indiana the best possible package of assets in a deal – and think that option could disappear if Boston makes a deal with Chicago for Jimmy Butler.

For teams considering a trade for George, here’s the risk: As a free agent in the summer of 2018, he has considered re-signing with Indiana or joining his hometown Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell The Vertical.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-pacers-assessing-trade-market-for-paul-george-180740295.html
 

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Boston definitely has the assets, but I think Portland would be a dark horse candidate. They can offer Lillard or McCollum plus picks if need be.
 

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I've seen this trade proposal floating out there on a couple of message boards. I put it in the trade machine and it works.

Boston gets
George
Seraphin

Philly gets
Bradley

Indiana gets
Okafor
Brown
Zeller
Nets 17 pick
 

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I've seen this trade proposal floating out there on a couple of message boards. I put it in the trade machine and it works.

Boston gets
George
Seraphin

Philly gets
Bradley

Indiana gets
Okafor
Brown
Zeller
Nets 17 pick

Don't know that I'd want to give up Brown+Bradley+Nets17. I also think Bradley has way more trade value than Okafor.
 

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I might be in the minority here, but I'd rather have Butler than George.
I'd rather George due to him being a better fit at the 3 and his 3 point shooting. I think he's just a good of a defender as Butler too, which the stats prob don't show this year, but I think at times he has let his pacers team frustration bother him
 

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I might be in the minority here, but I'd rather have Butler than George.
I feel a lot better about trading for Butler than George as well. RPM isn't everything, but it's a red flag for George's defense since coming back from injury.
 

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George once gave LeBron everything he could handle in a playoff series (pre-injury). I think that isn't who he is, but he is capable of playing at that level. I think if we got him we could probably beat Cleveland in a series.

I hate the narrative that every star player is going to go to LA once they hit free agency. Who was the last big-time FA to go to the Lakers? Shaq 20 years ago?
 

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Don't know that I'd want to give up Brown+Bradley+Nets17. I also think Bradley has way more trade value than Okafor.
That's the part of this trade that doesn't make much sense to me. Seems to me that BOS could get Okafor for their own 2018 pick and Jerebko (for salary purposes) and then make the proposed trade with IND.

C - Horford, Johnson, Seraphin
PF - George, Olynyk, Mickey
SF - Crowder, [free agent], Green
SG - Bradley, Smart, Young
PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson

+ Zizic, Yabusele, Nader, 2nd round 2017 MIN pick, 1st round 2018 BRK pick, 1st round 2019 BOS/LAC/MEM picks
 
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I feel a lot better about trading for Butler than George as well. RPM isn't everything, but it's a red flag for George's defense since coming back from injury.
Just looking at their advanced stats (RPM, BPM, WS, VORP), Butler has been clearly the best player on his team, while George has been an average starter for his. Maybe someone can explain why they think George is so much better than the numbers show. Both seem to be playing in an underachieving team situation, but it seems to me that Chicago is an even bigger shitshow than Indy.
 

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Just looking at their advanced stats (RPM, BPM, WS, VORP), Butler has been clearly the best player on his team, while George has been an average starter for his. Maybe someone can explain why they think George is so much better than the numbers show. Both seem to be playing in an underachieving team situation, but it seems to me that Chicago is an even bigger shitshow than Indy.
Because we've seen Paul George match LeBron in a playoff series.
 

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PJ Tucker

Am I missing anyone from the list of guys we talked about who aren't coming to Boston?
You could add Larry Sanders. Otherwise that's it.
 

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So, 5 guys that play a decent amount for us, and get 2 back.
 

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Because we've seen Paul George match LeBron in a playoff series.
Yes, peak George has shown to be better than peak Butler. I don't think George is exponentially a better player than Butler, but I do think he has a higher ceiling and would be the best guy to throw at LeBron, the guy we are trying to beat in the playoffs this year and probably for the next couple years. I also think he is a better fit for the Celtics' system. He is a better shooter than Butler; I think playing with guys like IT and Horford will give him enough open shots to bump his 3fg% over 40 percent. He is also a bit bigger than George and can reasonably play power forward in a small-ball lineup, giving him additional positional versatility.
 
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I hate the narrative that every star player is going to go to LA once they hit free agency. Who was the last big-time FA to go to the Lakers? Shaq 20 years ago?
He's from LA. Eddie Johnson was recently talking about Indiana's fear that he would move to LA after next season.. It's why Bird is feeling a sense of urgency to, either put a top 2 team in the East together or trade him.
 

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He's from LA. Eddie Johnson was recently talking about Indiana's fear that he would move to LA after next season.. It's why Bird is feeling a sense of urgency to, either put a top 2 team in the East together or trade him.
Remember when Westbrook was headed to LA? He's from LA. Kevin Love was also rumored to go to LA (where he played in college and is a "west coast guy" ) and he never went either.
 

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Apparently Paul George's new shoes have "PG" shaped as an hourglass on the tongue of the shoe. This is some next level shit by IT. Well done.
 

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Just looking at their advanced stats (RPM, BPM, WS, VORP), Butler has been clearly the best player on his team, while George has been an average starter for his. Maybe someone can explain why they think George is so much better than the numbers show. Both seem to be playing in an underachieving team situation, but it seems to me that Chicago is an even bigger shitshow than Indy.
I don't put much faith in a half season sample, George was better than Butler last year, and throughout their careers.
So, 5 guys that play a decent amount for us, and get 2 back.
Also trading the Starting C, Backup C, third string C.

Basically the team that leaves is:
IT/Rozier/Jackson
Butler/Avery/Young
George/Green/Young
Jerebko/Mickey/?
Horford/Mickey/?

I guess maybe you play Butler at the 3 and George as a full time 4 and go small from the jump?
Anyway it's basically a disaster on the bench for this year, I guess you fill out with Zizic and Yabusele in the offseason?
 

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Tyreke Evans, once he is bought out.
 

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I don't put much faith in a half season sample, George was better than Butler last year, and throughout their careers.

Also trading the Starting C, Backup C, third string C.

Basically the team that leaves is:
IT/Rozier/Jackson
Butler/Avery/Young
George/Green/Young
Jerebko/Mickey/?
Horford/Mickey/?

I guess maybe you play Butler at the 3 and George as a full time 4 and go small from the jump?
Anyway it's basically a disaster on the bench for this year, I guess you fill out with Zizic and Yabusele in the offseason?
You have to figure if something like that actually went down in real life that DA has a couple of smaller, gap-filling pieces in mind. I doubt that he would plan to go into the playoffs with Horford as the only guy on the roster over 6'8", for example.

edit: JJ is listed at 6'10", so I guess that's 2. Still not enough, even if he really is...
 

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So, 5 guys that play a decent amount for us, and get 2 back.
This is where it gets tough. This Celtics team, as currently constituted, plays great as a team -- the sum is undoubtedly greater than the parts but the ceiling is limited. Were Ainge to swing some crazy deal that lands two more elite players, he would have a great starting lineup of IT/Horford/Butler/George/Bradley -- but at the cost of virtually all the team chemistry, with virtually no depth, essentially putting his faith in Stevens to be able to make the starting lineup gel and whoever they pick up off the streets to back them up. Oh, and they would have to win now since Paul George is obviously going to LAL.

Can Danny do that? Can Stevens?
 

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Just remember the buzz about lack of depth when the Heat added LeBron and Bosh. There was similar talk last summer regarding the Warriors depth. There are lots of guys who can be average if/when there are 3+ stars on the court with them.
 

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This is where it gets tough. This Celtics team, as currently constituted, plays great as a team -- the sum is undoubtedly greater than the parts but the ceiling is limited. Were Ainge to swing some crazy deal that lands two more elite players, he would have a great starting lineup of IT/Horford/Butler/George/Bradley -- but at the cost of virtually all the team chemistry, with virtually no depth, essentially putting his faith in Stevens to be able to make the starting lineup gel and whoever they pick up off the streets to back them up. Oh, and they would have to win now since Paul George is obviously going to LAL.

Can Danny do that? Can Stevens?
Sounds like the Wizards. There was some relief here when Cousins went elsewhere, notwithstanding the relationship with Wall and what Cousins "could" be. No depth as it is, and they'd have been swapping out valuable pieces.
 

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Yes, peak George has shown to be better than peak Butler.
I suppose that's fair but George has endured a catastropic injury and his peak occurred before that point.

I'm much, much, much more comfortable with Butler, who is currently playing at his best.
 

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Butler and George would not be happy watching the IT hero ball show in the 4th QT. IT would probably better off the bench with that roster but good luck trying that.
 

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Just remember the buzz about lack of depth when the Heat added LeBron and Bosh. There was similar talk last summer regarding the Warriors depth. There are lots of guys who can be average if/when there are 3+ stars on the court with them.
There's a difference in addressing a short bench in the offseason, and in late February.
 

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I suppose that's fair but George has endured a catastropic injury and his peak occurred before that point.

I'm much, much, much more comfortable with Butler, who is currently playing at his best.
I share a level of concern about George. Though, his defense last year was well-rated by RPM (and better than Butler's) so I don't know that I'd worry too much about it, either...and I love the shooting.

The concern about Butler is about spacing for me---not that I wouldn't do it at a reasonable price, but he's somewhat of a tweener offensively. Nonetheless, great skills (and still improving).

We're imagining something like...what...is the cost for either of these guys? Celts want AB/18 Nets/other 1st and the other team wants Crowder or Brown in there, roughly, and '17 Nets?
 

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I'm in the 'be patient' camp of keeping the major picks/pieces and playing the long term game. I don't think Butler or George makes us championship caliber.
 

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On the whole I'm of the opinion that you make a major move now if it gets you multiple years of a star and can be done with a combination of 2018 pick, one of Crowder/Bradley and lesser pieces (so no BKN 17, no Brown). If not I think you roll into the lottery and see where you land, and make the decisions on trades and extensions during the summer.
 

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I'm in the 'be patient' camp of keeping the major picks/pieces and playing the long term game. I don't think Butler or George makes us championship caliber.
I think I agree. It's really hard to win a championship without at least one transcendent talent and those guys aren't quite that. Besides the Pistons, has any team won a title without a once or future MVP since the Sonics did it in 1979?
 

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That's pretty much where I stand unless you can put top 2-3 protection on the Nets pick this year, and I'm not sure if it's allowed. The 2018 Nets pick could easily be 1 or 8. I'd also much rather lose Bradley than Crowder. Bradley is a decent player but he's going to get paid soon and he's not the most difficult player to replace. I don't think this team would miss AB much.
 

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On the whole I'm of the opinion that you make a major move now if it gets you multiple years of a star and can be done with a combination of 2018 pick, one of Crowder/Bradley and lesser pieces (so no BKN 17, no Brown). If not I think you roll into the lottery and see where you land, and make the decisions on trades and extensions during the summer.
I am fine with this as long as Ainge does not acquire the mangled, decaying corpse of Andrew Bogut. I'd rather see him trade for Dion Waiters and let him and IT4 battle for shots the rest of the way. And I say this as someone who thinks Dion Waiters is only slightly less trash and infinitely more amusing than Evan Turner.
 

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I find this weird. He's injured a lot, he's also really good when he plays, the cost is likely minimal (Zeller's nothingness and MIN 2nd we'll never have roster space for anyway seems most likely).
Check his stats. Way down across the board. I've watched him for years while with the Warriors and I agree that a healthy, younger Bogut was a good player. He is none of those things anymore. They will get nothing out of him. Its fine if they acquire him. However its like the equivalent of getting a Trader Joe's rolled taco with freezer burn when you really wanted a nice Mexican dinner. I know that makes no sense to anyone but me.