It's not often that you can get a #2 overall pick who is relatively young and apparently healthy for a fraction of the MLE
The Celtics had Darko a few years back. He was 27.
It's not often that you can get a #2 overall pick who is relatively young and apparently healthy for a fraction of the MLE
I wonder if any of the analytical tools developed by Mike Zarren, or Drew Cannon, the kid Stevens brought with him from Butler, came into play in the decision to sign Turner, or in some of the other moves the Celtics have made since draft night.
Those are the tough breaks of not having NBA talent, versus having low end NBA talent.Don Buddin's GS said:If this costs Chris Johnson a spot on the Celtics' roster I'm gonna be powerfully pissed. CJ has done everything he has been asked and does it @ the league minimum; Turner has done nothing to justify being the #2 overall pick in the draft.
I'm hardly convinced this is a great signing, but I disagree with your first paragraph. He was rebounding very effectively in that 2012 Celtics/76ers series. He had 60 rebounds in the 7 game series, and led the Sixers in rebounding by a vast, vast margin. Next best rebounder was Iguodala with 39. Obviously, he shot 34% from the field in the series and was inefficient on offense, but he was doing some things that were helping the team.redsahx said:
I go back to that 7-game playoff series against the 76ers in 2012, and how obvious it became as the series went on that Evan Turner was not a guy worth worrying about at all as an opposing fan. I can't think of one thing he was doing well that caught my attention.
It's nice that he is apparently excited about playing for Brad Stevens. I'm not worried about him screwing anything up, and I hope he discovers something. I just won't call this a low risk/high reward case; it's more like low risk / moderate reward. If you held the 2010 draft over again today, I don't think he'd be even a top 20 pick.
So I'm seeing a lot of "he's a bad shooter" "no defense" "needs the ball" "mental issues" being thrown around. Couldn't this thread be about Jamal Crawford last year?
redsahx said:
You mean Jordan Crawford.
Anyways, if you read carefully most people are just saying "meh" anyways. However, those that object to Turner taking up too much playing time have a point. The difference between Crawford and Evans, is that Crawford actually had some ceiling left to explore. Turner has had plenty of opportunity to demonstrate his skill set.
ALiveH said:Yeah, Turner at this point is a small-upside JAG. He's 25. Sure, he was sort of an interesting prospect / player 2-3 years ago, but by 25 the vast majority of NBA shooting guards / small forwards already are what they are. The Gerald Green comp is sort of interesting, but he is a very rare case. Green was considered possibly the most physically talented / skilled player in his draft class but was a bit of a knucklehead / low basketball IQ - he basically got scared straight.
Plus, Turner literally has mental issues. I probably wouldn't want to deal with him on my team. But if it's true he actively sought out Stevens, that makes it a little interesting.
Brickowski said:I wonder if any of the analytical tools developed by Mike Zarren, or Drew Cannon, the kid Stevens brought with him from Butler, came into play in the decision to sign Turner, or in some of the other moves the Celtics have made since draft night.
I will say this: I think there's a lot of value out there on that proverbial NBA scrap heap, guys like Green are rare, but they're out there, waiting for another opportunity in the right situation. I've watched a lot of DLeague basketball, and have often found myself thinking "man, that guy could definitely play in the right situation," I really hope teams become more aggressive in how they look for those outliers. I just don't think Turner is one of those guys.
repole said:
I tend to agree.
Turner doesn't seem to fit any of the criteria I'd imagine is common in guys who breakout at an advanced age:
-Has this player been denied a chance to flourish in a role that fits his skill set yet?
-Was this player's environment unstable early in his career (either due to injury or constant team changing)?
-Have they developed a specialized skill that wasn't a plus early in their career?
-Has there been a significant attitude change?
For Turner, the answer to all these questions is "No."
wade boggs chicken dinner said:
I think the analytics critics would challenge him, and at times rightfully so, to have to grow his 3-point game. Some of that is form related; some of that is confidence related. Some of it’s just having the repetition in games to just put up a decent quantity to where it becomes a part of your game.
Sometimes I think he’s a victim of the fact he was so skilled at beasting college basketball and just being able to get a foot and shoulder by people and hit uncontested jump shots that he hadn’t had to really rely on or need the 3-point shot. He could get to the rim or get to other places on the floor that sort of identified his game. He became sort of a long 2-point shooting type of guy.
wade boggs chicken dinner said:Apparently, season tickets sales have spiked 20% since the C's signed Turner. Correlation or causation?
Or perhaps Turner has a ton of family members in the Boston area.
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Good article. I believe in Evan Turner.
I don't want to sound super weird, but Jesus was hated too. At the end of the day, I just worry about the stuff that's important. If it makes you happy to boo me, go ahead.
I think he meant the guy whose birthday is on the 25th. Which makes that statement even stranger.HomeRunBaker said:To be fair Evan.....we didn't begin hating Shuttlesworth until it became known he was lobbying to be signed by the Heat.
I am not sure how much difference it makes, but I believe Turner was referring to the fans in Philly, you know, the place that booed Santa one year.Burkharts Uppercut said:
Mloaf71 said:I think he meant the guy whose birthday is on the 25th. Which makes that statement even stranger.
oumbi said:I am not sure how much difference it makes, but I believe Turner was referring to the fans in Philly, you know, the place that booed Santa one year.
What was wrong with the Turner signing? If he shows some upside, he's one more asset. And if he doesn't - as he hasn't - it's just going to cost a few wins, which is a positive for the Cs too.No one should hate Turner. Faults on Ainge; everyone knew Turner sucked when the Celtics signed him.
Lose Remerswaal said:
You guys should hang out together
oumbi said:I am not sure how much difference it makes, but I believe Turner was referring to the fans in Philly, you know, the place that booed Santa one year.
Smart has flashed playmaking skills at times, but - at least for now - he's completely unable to get any penetration in half court sets, run pick and rolls, etc. If this is an area where he can improve markedly, then I could see him eventually being a PG. If not, he's a good passing wing.TheRooster said:If, and it is a giant if, you had a 20 ppg scorer at the 3, I think you could go to war with Turner at the point and Smart at the 2. They can always swap off on defense. Smart just doesn't strike me as a playmaker. If we have to wait for Young to be that other wing, I'm afraid Turner might age out... The aptly named Young is still 20+ months from his first legal drink which absolutely amazes me.