Casas has a left rib fracture. Transferred to the 60 Day IL on 4/27.

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I've seen that, and Choi's not bad vs RHP, but are there other interesting names? More to the point, are any of them likely to approach Belt's .900 OPS vs RHP?
Brandon Belt has a .844 career OPS versus righties, is 36 years old, and hasn't had a spring training. He might be useful by the end of May and it wouldn't hurt to reach out of him. But if Casas is back in 2 months, he might not want to come out of retirement just to fill in for a month.
 

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Again, in the short-term, he and Dalbec are warm bodies who can field the position and hit LHP. But given that it looks like Casas is out 2+ months, I will be baffled if the Red Sox don't reach out to Brandon Belt (who had an OPS near .900 vs RHP last season, slashing .256/.375/.515) or CJ Cron (no meaningful split, but decent all around).
The trouble with either of them is that they are 1B only, which if they aren't hitting enough to be full time (and let's be honest, if they could, they'd have a job already), is a drain on the roster. As much as most of us don't like Dalbec, I don't see him going anywhere as long as there are question marks about Devers as well. Cora's already shown this weekend he prefers Bobby's defense at 3B over Reyes. If Devers can play 8-9 games out of every 10 going forward, then you live with Reyes (or Valdez or Grissom) playing 3B once in a while. If not, weird as it sounds, Dalbec has a role and roster space is limited.
 

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Refs career OPS against righties is .617. He actually hit them pretty well in 2022.
That is better than we are likely to get from Dalbec.
 

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Refs career OPS against righties is .617. He actually hit them pretty well in 2022.
That is better than we are likely to get from Dalbec.
BTW Dalbec's OPS against righties in '22 was.606 (the last year he had a significant number of at bats).
Dalbec hasn't hit anybody since 2021 at the major league level.
 

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Actually, it's not clear that refsnyder is that much of an upgrade over Dalbec as a platoon guy against lefties. Dalbec has pretty consistently hit lefties at an above average clip, he just can't hit a lick versus righties.
The only consistent thing about Bobby in his career at this point is that he strikes out a lot. His career mark vs LHP, supposedly his strong side, is a 36.8 K%, 4 points higher than any qualified hitter's overall rate last year. The only full season overall mark higher than that this century is 2017 Chris Davis.
 

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The trouble with either of them is that they are 1B only, which if they aren't hitting enough to be full time (and let's be honest, if they could, they'd have a job already), is a drain on the roster. As much as most of us don't like Dalbec, I don't see him going anywhere as long as there are question marks about Devers as well. Cora's already shown this weekend he prefers Bobby's defense at 3B over Reyes. If Devers can play 8-9 games out of every 10 going forward, then you live with Reyes (or Valdez or Grissom) playing 3B once in a while. If not, weird as it sounds, Dalbec has a role and roster space is limited.
I simply refuse to accept that they can't find someone better than Dalbec. I get it in a pinch, which is certainly what they have been in. But for the situation you describe, where they would need him on the roster for an extended period? No. His line over the last 3 years of 200/269/338 is simply not adequate for anyone not playing up the middle, and even then the player would have to be gold-glove caliber. And that's giving Dalbec the benefit of the doubt to even hit that well, given that those numbers are dragged "up" by his 2021, which was only really bad as opposed to what he offered in 2022/2023. Does anyone here want to take the over an OPS+ of 607 for Dalbec if he's given another 100 PA?

If you want an example of a team that is serious about winning and realizes that 2 teams missed the postseason last year by one game, here it is.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/mlb/astros-not-going-to-wait-on-struggling-veteran-forever/ar-AA1nnh2A
 

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Brandon Belt has a .844 career OPS versus righties, is 36 years old, and hasn't had a spring training. He might be useful by the end of May and it wouldn't hurt to reach out of him. But if Casas is back in 2 months, he might not want to come out of retirement just to fill in for a month.
Beyond the fact that he's probably a month away (best case), the limitations with Belt are these:

Defense: last year in his age 35 season, he was at best an average 1B. Which is certainly not nothing, but you'd be comparing any other defensive 1B replacements to a just average guy.

Offense: he's likely a rightly only guy at this point. He was used very sparingly against lefties last year, and had poor numbers against them for two years running. And the main issue with righties is that he had a .366 BABIP against them last season, while his K% ballooned to 35%. (His walk rate was pretty good at 15%.)

If he was ready today, he might be an option. But he's far from a sure thing a month from now.
 

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I simply refuse to accept that they can't find someone better than Dalbec. I get it in a pinch, which is certainly what they have been in. But for the situation you describe, where they would need him on the roster for an extended period? No. His line over the last 3 years of 200/269/338 is simply not adequate for anyone not playing up the middle, and even then the player would have to be gold-glove caliber. And that's giving Dalbec the benefit of the doubt to even hit that well, given that those numbers are dragged "up" by his 2021, which was only really bad as opposed to what he offered in 2022/2023. Does anyone here want to take the over an OPS+ of 607 for Dalbec if he's given another 100 PA?

If you want an example of a team that is serious about winning and realizes that 2 teams missed the postseason last year by one game, here it is.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/mlb/astros-not-going-to-wait-on-struggling-veteran-forever/ar-AA1nnh2A
I didn't say they can't find someone better than Dalbec. I'm saying that signing a 1B-only FA like Cron or Belt doesn't go far enough if they need to be platooned and semi-frequent coverage at 3B is needed as well. If they can find someone who plays all the same defensive positions Dalbec can AND can hit, that's the best case scenario.
 

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His line over the last 3 years of 200/269/338 is simply not adequate for anyone not playing up the middle,
There's no need to cherry pick this stuff to make your point. Dalbec has been awful with the bat at the ML level for some time now. He's been a viable (but high-K) monster at AAA during that same time.

The only real issue (as you alluded to) is whether Dalbec is going to hit at the ML level from this point onwards.

Unfortunately, I think he won't. Well, not at a reasonable clip anyway. Nothing has apparently changed with him recently. Nothing has changed in his environment (MLB coaching). These are the same guys who just knew they could fix Franchy Cordero. Twice.

I'd expect Dalbec to do better than his current run, but don't see how, unless something changes, he'll approach being a league average bat this year.

But I'd hope Breslow can see that as well.
 

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The only consistent thing about Bobby in his career at this point is that he strikes out a lot. His career mark vs LHP, supposedly his strong side, is a 36.8 K%, 4 points higher than any qualified hitter's overall rate last year. The only full season overall mark higher than that this century is 2017 Chris Davis.
Strikeouts are just outs, not sure why'd you'd fixate on that versus any other kind of out. Beats grounding into double plays every time he comes up. I like WRC+ because it weights the value of the different batting outcomes. Anyways, for a platoon player on the taxi squad that can play all over the diamond (albeit, roughly) there's at least some predictable value here. If this was against righties, we'd have a nice MLB player. He's not, which is why he's on the depth chart.

Vs lefties:
2020: 178 wrc+ (28 PA)
2021: 128 wrc+ (190 Pa)
2022: 115 wrc+ (112 PA)
2023: 136 wrc+ (22 PA)
2024: -88 wrc+ (15 PA)
 

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I didn't say they can't find someone better than Dalbec. I'm saying that signing a 1B-only FA like Cron or Belt doesn't go far enough if they need to be platooned and semi-frequent coverage at 3B is needed as well. If they can find someone who plays all the same defensive positions Dalbec can AND can hit, that's the best case scenario.
We could not be more in agreement.
 

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The trouble with either of them is that they are 1B only, which if they aren't hitting enough to be full time (and let's be honest, if they could, they'd have a job already), is a drain on the roster. As much as most of us don't like Dalbec, I don't see him going anywhere as long as there are question marks about Devers as well. Cora's already shown this weekend he prefers Bobby's defense at 3B over Reyes. If Devers can play 8-9 games out of every 10 going forward, then you live with Reyes (or Valdez or Grissom) playing 3B once in a while. If not, weird as it sounds, Dalbec has a role and roster space is limited.
I wonder if Donovan Solano - who was picked up by the Padres last week - would have been a decent all-around fit. He just played his first AAA game, but can cover 1B, 2B, 3B, and has a decent enough bat for who he is (not much power, decent contact, will take a walk).
 

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Brandon Belt has a .844 career OPS versus righties, is 36 years old, and hasn't had a spring training. He might be useful by the end of May and it wouldn't hurt to reach out of him. But if Casas is back in 2 months, he might not want to come out of retirement just to fill in for a month.
1) Well, all the more reason to act now? A month seems too long -- JD Martinez, also signed as a free agent who missed Spring Training by the Mets, was on his way to the majors in roughly 2 weeks before he hurt his back, right? And we're saying 2 months for Casas, but the reality is it could be more like 3 months. We just don't know.

2) I think there's still a role for Belt as a RHP masher even after Casas is back between occasional starts and PH at 1B and DH. And if not, he'll have had a while in the Majors to advertise his services to another team in the 2nd half.

If he was ready today, he might be an option. But he's far from a sure thing a month from now.
I guess I just think this is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

No one who is available on April 23rd will come without risk and/or limitations. Belt, as you say, is not perfect. He can't hit LHP and he isn't an outstanding fielder. But no one on the current roster seems likely to be able to a) play 1B and b) hit RHP until Casas comes back in... July?

It doesn't have to be Belt, I'm just not sure who the obvious alternatives are.
 

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It doesn't have to be Belt, I'm just not sure who the obvious alternatives are.
Neither do I.

As you said though, we really don't know what's going on with Casas. Maybe this is one of those things where they'll have better information in the near future. If he's out for 5 weeks, anyone who has to ramp up is not likely to help. If he's out for 9 weeks, it's a different story.

I think the main problem is that there aren't a lot of starting MLB 1B just hanging around out there without significant problems in their bat or glove. Otherwise they'd be DHing at the ML level, or they're AAAA journeymen types. And we kinda got one right now in Dalbec.

They could trade for a AAAA type for defense and hope the bat clicks. But we kinda got one right now in Dalbec.

They could trade for a MLB bat-first guy and put his warm-body at 1B and hope he does not yip the middle-infield into thinking they have to make perfect throws.

They could trade for a AAA flawed 1B type with a maybe-bat and hope they get hot/lucky. But we kinda got one right now in Kavadas.

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But I don't see them trading significant assets for a true 1B type. Or a dedicated corner IF with a legitimate bat, because there's the Dalbec/Devers/Yoshida dynamic to deal with in (hopefully) a month or two. But maybe they'll grab a Josh Bell or someone.
 

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I wonder if Donovan Solano - who was picked up by the Padres last week - would have been a decent all-around fit. He just played his first AAA game, but can cover 1B, 2B, 3B, and has a decent enough bat for who he is (not much power, decent contact, will take a walk).
Looking at it now, of course Solano would be a good fit. There have been some around here who have been beating his drum since before spring training. I suspect that when he was in the process of signing, the Sox weren't all that attractive to him. Not with Casas presumably healthy, Devers seemingly headed toward health (shoulder was questionable, knee wasn't an issue), and Grissom not far off from at least platooning with Valdez if not taking over entirely. The Padres, on the other hand, have a clear need for a 3B with Machado DHing full time and Tyler Wade not really lighting the world on fire. There's a path to playing time there that wasn't necessarily apparent with the Sox 7 days ago.
 

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Strikeouts are just outs, not sure why'd you'd fixate on that versus any other kind of out.
Strikeouts are outs, but they’re unproductive outs. Obviously they’re better than double play balls (almost always), but they’re not remotely as good as sac flies or grounders that move runners up a base. And putting the ball in play, even when hit right at fielders, always opens the possibility of an error or misplay. So no, they’re not “just” outs.
 

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From the Manager's perspective, that's probably the right thing to say. He isn't the one potentially looking to acquire someone else.
Agreed. No sense in undermining the guys he has to play in the short-term, especially since overall results have been positive since Casas went down (yeah, it was the Pirates but still, they've won every game). A small vote of confidence in Dalbec doesn't prevent Breslow from scouring the free agent and trade market for an upgrade.
 

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Agreed. No sense in undermining the guys he has to play in the short-term, especially since overall results have been positive since Casas went down (yeah, it was the Pirates but still, they've won every game). A small vote of confidence in Dalbec doesn't prevent Breslow from scouring the free agent and trade market for an upgrade.
I agree. Provided they actually do search for a replacement. The Cooper situation will be telling, so we will know in a few days.
 

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Again - take the cheap way out. Wave that white flag.
Or maybe perhaps don't come out and say that they are actively looking for Dabec's replacement. Dude's a fucking mess at the plate and they are looking to get what they can from him in the interim. But I guess it's just easier to shit on the team hours after getting a definitive diagnosis on Casas.
 

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I didn't mention Cora. Obviously it's been an organizational decision to hang on to this guy for years longer than they should have. Should have released him years ago and fill the spot with somebody who can be a contributor. They didn't have to be a star just a contributor. You guys really think it hasn't occured to Dalbec that his days are numbered? He knows his numbers better than anybody. I think we have passed the point of publicly undermining Dalbec or trying to build up his confidence. That ship sailed years ago.
 
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The safe bet is that Dalbec is given the next 3-4 weeks to show any signs of life/competence and buy the FO some time to figure out potential replacements. Cooper would be literally free and is probably worth a tire kick, and I imagine they've at least reached out to Belt's representation to see if there's anything there. Maybe some rebuilding team has a semi-useful veteran to dump. But there's no way they find anyone who can produce at Casas' level unless they give up a lot, and for a variety of reasons, that makes no real sense.

What a bummer all around. This is going to be a hard lineup to watch.
 

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I didn't mention Cora. Obviously it's been an organizational decision to hang on to this guy for years longer than they should have. Should have released him years ago and fill the spot with somebody who can be a contributor. They don't have to be a star just a contributor.
Cora made the statement. Cora is like RR's "what we currently have" threads: he has to talk about the current roster and he's not allowed to say "oh Triston's out so I really hope Craig trades for Freddie Freeman."
 

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Is that Colonel Sanders Jr.?

'Cause I kinda want some fried chicken, now.

Also, we gotta find someone better than Dalbec. It can't be that hard.
Bert Cooper. If you haven't watched Mad Men, you should.
 

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I didn't mention Cora. Obviously it's been an organizational decision to hang on to this guy for years longer than they should have. Should have released him years ago and fill the spot with somebody who can be a contributor. They don't have to be a star just a contributor.
That's obviously nonsense. He debuted in 2020 and was quite good for part of 2021, so the only "years ago" that they should even have considered releasing him is 2022. He's not even arb eligible until 2025. You don't cut many guys who aren't even arb eligible yet.

They should absolutely find someone better and send Dalbec back to Worcester until Raffy's hurt for the season, at which point we officially start playing for draft position.
 

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This is going to be a hard lineup to watch.
Because two guys are out? It's baseball, lots of things can happen. Right now they are built more around speed, and it's been working OK. Offense is a lot more resilient than the starting rotation when it comes to clusters of injuries. We can generate runs still. Obviously it's not a lineup you want to beat the best pitching in a playoff, but that's ages from now. Hell, even Story could be back by then?
 

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Agreed. No sense in undermining the guys he has to play in the short-term, especially since overall results have been positive since Casas went down (yeah, it was the Pirates but still, they've won every game). A small vote of confidence in Dalbec doesn't prevent Breslow from scouring the free agent and trade market for an upgrade.
Yes but. . .maybe Cora is running scared here.

I don't know if it's occurred to anyone, but the only guys on the roster who haven't been injured are the guys who aren't actively competing for Robert V. Dalbec's spot.

Story - RHH, O'Neill - RHH, Casas - 1B, Devers - 3B, Romy RHH MI, Refsnyder RHH, Grissom RHH.

It all fits. And I bet Pivetta looked at him funny once.

If I'm Alex Cora, I'm penciling in Voodoo Bobby every day without question.

If I'm Pablo Reyes, I'm going to tread very very carefully around Bobby. And checking for wax dolls with hair and fingernail clippings pressed into them.